Cricket field stand

[Leisure]

So long as they don't sell tickets in the home side of CFS other than ST holders.

Haven't heard of any plans to do this.

[blatherwickstattoos]

New fan zone and club shop / mall (keep
It American) being built on the car park behind the cricketfield??

[Cardclaret]

Haven't heard of any plans to do this.

Prices are on the website Cat A £35 and Cat B £30 for an adult. Why post the prices for this season if they won't be for sale, it also says this price is frozen from last season, but I didn't think you could buy tickets for CFS last season??

[NewClaret]

The FAB has been consulted. There are bigger plans in the offing in addition to just moving the tunnel and fans around.

Obviously I understand you’re restricted in what you can say, and if this is to facilitate a reconstruction of the CFS I think fans would understand the need to be moved around somewhat (or I would), because I think everyone would acknowledge that the CFS and BL are end of life but equally closing either for a season is not feasible (even in the Championship) so there’s probably got to be some inconvenience somewhere down the line.

But with the limited information available, I do think the swap sounds very unnecessary and will likely kill the atmosphere unless it engages the BL because the only way songs get going in the Longside is if the CFS start them. I always think the premier league away followings are miles more vocal than Championship clubs so I can see the Longside being like a morgue.

I also cannot see why, if they were known in April, the club could not have said to fans that “stadium changes to the CFS may require seat changes this year” as a generic message and allow ST holders to move stands free of charge if they wished, while they were still on sale. Would’ve given fans plenty of time to warm to the idea and fans with specific needs like blatherwickstattoos to make alternative arrangements for his Dad. Seems poor to me.

I’d also expect any external work to require planning permission which we’ve not heard about?

Not saying you’re wrong at all, just so much about it seems wrong. My big fear from a club perspective though is that we are either spending money on things that are ultimately going to be replaced, therefore wasting cash on these piecemeal updates, or are having to make compromises to the overall stadium design that’s going to leave us with a right hotchpotch of add-ons.

[BleedingClaret]

So long as they don't sell tickets in the home side of CFS other than ST holders. Surely the safety officer wouldn't allow that, given previous issues with Everton etc. It would be catastrophic if any away fans managed to get in there.

I'm thinking that the home part of the CFS may likely be smaller, so probably be fuller.
Maybe why they haven't resold season Tickets in there to replace ones that have lapsed

[NewClaret]

Caught up on this thread last night but I’ve slept since then, is the away dressing room being refit for the away team or are we moving in there?

[GetIntoEm]

Dressing rooms no longer to prem standards I think, didn't we last time put the away team in the longside lower somewhere to use as a dressing room?

I have a bad memory

[NewClaret]

Dressing rooms no longer to prem standards I think, didn't we last time put the away team in the longside lower somewhere to use as a dressing room?

I have a bad memory

They’re definitely miles off Prem standards. If cameras are going in there this season I think both need a refit.

I can’t imagine the long term plan is to keep the changing rooms in the CFS though. Surely they’d move to the BL and do a whole tunnel club hospitality type stuff?

[dibraidio]

Could it be possible that they're thinking of adding another corner stand? You wouldn't get many seats in there but you could get a decent sized hospitality lounge.

I've been thinking about this since I posted that. Looking at Googlemaps I can't see any space behind the stand on the Burnley FC side of the wall between the CFS and the cricket club. The stand is way over towards the Bob Lord and you'd think that if it was ever to be rebuilt they would move it towards the Longside squeezing that corner and making any construction there either an obstruction or a temporary installation. If they leave the same distance between the Longside and CFS as they did between the two new stands it would have to be significantly smaller than the existing stand. On the flip side if the cricket field stand was moved towards the North that would open up space for a bigger Bob Lord stand perhaps with a second tier and hospitality but that's a massive project and I can't see that being a priority.

We seem to be constantly spending money on the CFS, I appreciate that a new stand would cost a fortune these days but it's incredible how often we seem to be spending millions making it fit for purpose only to need further changes again and again. Is this the third time we've adapted the changing rooms since 2009? Third location for the tunnel?

[Rainhamclaret]

Surely we need a long term plan for redevelopment of the stadium. This might mean building 2 new stands in the corners of the cricket field, moving changing facilities into these, then taking down part of the cricket field stand in stages so we don’t lose capacity, or are we just going to patch up what we’ve got for ever?

[GetIntoEm]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

[fidelcastro]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

No we shouldn't.

[Duffer_]

I don't understand why this has to be shrouded in secrecy and, seemingly, that includes gagging the FAB on what they can and can't say. Either that or the FAB is choosing not to share what is happening, which feels unlikely. All of us have a vested interest in this as it will change the matchday atmosphere and logistics. What possible reason is there for not fully disclosing the extent of the planned changes?

[Beagle]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

I agree. One with purple seats, and a drummer.

[Leisure]

New fan zone and club shop / mall (keep
It American) being built on the car park behind the cricketfield??

Something similar.

[Duffer_]

Something similar.

Leisure - what is stopping you from telling us what you know, rather than responding in a piecemeal and cryptic way? I'm not digging you out on this but I am an inteterested party, like many others on here.

[NewClaret]

Something similar.

Wow. Wasn’t expecting that!

[Leisure]

Obviously I understand you’re restricted in what you can say, and if this is to facilitate a reconstruction of the CFS I think fans would understand the need to be moved around somewhat (or I would), because I think everyone would acknowledge that the CFS and BL are end of life but equally closing either for a season is not feasible (even in the Championship) so there’s probably got to be some inconvenience somewhere down the line.

But with the limited information available, I do think the swap sounds very unnecessary and will likely kill the atmosphere unless it engages the BL because the only way songs get going in the Longside is if the CFS start them. I always think the premier league away followings are miles more vocal than Championship clubs so I can see the Longside being like a morgue.

I also cannot see why, if they were known in April, the club could not have said to fans that “stadium changes to the CFS may require seat changes this year” as a generic message and allow ST holders to move stands free of charge if they wished, while they were still on sale. Would’ve given fans plenty of time to warm to the idea and fans with specific needs like blatherwickstattoos to make alternative arrangements for his Dad. Seems poor to me.

I’d also expect any external work to require planning permission which we’ve not heard about?

Not saying you’re wrong at all, just so much about it seems wrong. My big fear from a club perspective though is that we are either spending money on things that are ultimately going to be replaced, therefore wasting cash on these piecemeal updates, or are having to make compromises to the overall stadium design that’s going to leave us with a right hotchpotch of add-ons.

Just to clarify, I'm not a member of the FAB but there are quite a few developments and changes in the offing, which I'm sure the Club will announce once all the i's have been dotted ane the t's crossed.

[Leisure]

Leisure - what is stopping you from telling us what you know, rather than responding in a piecemeal and cryptic way? I'm not digging you out on this but I am an inteterested party, like many others on here.

It's not for me to announce the Club's intentions but within reason, just trying to correct any false statements or misconceptions that people have put on here.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Something similar.

I might have dreamt it but I’m sure I saw some plans in a picture for it. Can’t recall where I saw it now. Basically the entire car park to where the LED screen is at the crossroads.

They already have a gazebo up for away fans I think and a load of portaloos, it looks so amateurish.

Baffling they don’t just pull the stand down asap and start fresh instead of polishing a turd spending loads.

[Leisure]

Caught up on this thread last night but I’ve slept since then, is the away dressing room being refit for the away team or are we moving in there?

Away dressing room is being brought up to the required PL standard.

[Duffer_]

It's not for me to announce the Club's intentions but within reason, just trying to correct any false statements or misconceptions that people have put on here.

Appreciate the response Leisure. Not your job to announce them but if you know them, why wouldn't you share on here? Do you feel like you would be betraying confidences?

[NewClaret]

Away dressing room is being brought up to the required PL standard.

Thanks. I’m not even sure the home one is up to PL standards though really

[dougcollins]

Baffling they don’t just pull the stand down asap and start fresh instead of polishing a turd spending loads.

Couldn't agree more.

[claretdj]

The non communication from the club seems to be getting worse, if there is mass movement to happen then announce it & stop all this secrecy as it's really poor & frustrating. Season starts in 4 weeks, so come on let's start acting like a premier league club.

[Row x]

The non communication from the club seems to be getting worse, if there is mass movement to happen then announce it & stop all this secrecy as it's really poor & frustrating. Season starts in 4 weeks, so come on let's start acting like a premier league club.

Nothing will change for the first game, and a few after that

[BleedingClaret]

Nothing will change for the first game, and a few after that

How could you know that

[Targetman]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

How destructive would that be to town centre businesses!

[GetIntoEm]

How destructive would that be to town centre businesses!

Sure the vape shops and pound shops will still be ok

[Row x]

How could you know that

Pretty common knowledge that nothing will change before October, even mentioned on a recent Burnley podcast.

[Claretforever]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

I can only assume this is teasing weather than purposely getting our fan base so wrong.

Being located where we at means we handle darker times better as core fans base doesn’t need to travel.

[NewClaret]

Pretty common knowledge that nothing will change before October, even mentioned on a recent Burnley podcast.

Which one was that out of interest? Might have a listen?

[The Shire Claret]

Sure the vape shops and pound shops will still be ok

Compared to other towns - Burnley aren’t too bad for variety of shops

[Row x]

Which one was that out of interest? Might have a listen?

The beehole end
After they'd looked back on the dyche episode
I think it was in between talking about Trafford, and at what temp the Haffners pies will be cooked to.

[beddie]

Let’s follow what they do in China Raze it to the ground on Monday and by Friday have a new one built and open.

[NewClaret]

Just to clarify, I'm not a member of the FAB but there are quite a few developments and changes in the offing, which I'm sure the Club will announce once all the i's have been dotted ane the t's crossed.

Yes, I wasn’t suggesting you were, or that FAB were witholding anything - I understand there must be some things the club share with them that they have to keep quiet about. In my earlier post I was just showing that it hadn’t appeared in the meeting notes so must’ve been withheld from the notes.

In any event, what you are clarifying and describing sounds very exciting so in that respect I think we have to wait until the club can announce this before reaching any judgement on the seat swaps point. Great to have some things moving on the club infrastructure front.

[BleedingClaret]

We should move out of town to a purpose built location

You go
We’ll follow on
In another 143 years

[Targetman]

Sure the vape shops and pound shops will still be ok

How about the pubs/bars, clubs, chip shops, sandwich bars, corner shops etc.

I bet they would be affected?

[mybloodisclaret]

Everybody knows, not even just those from Burnley Borough, that Turf Moor is the heart beat of the town and the wider area.

Can't imagine the demonstrations if it was announced that we were moving to Jnc 9 on the M65 or similar. Be unbelievable in all honesty.

[Leisure]

Yes, I wasn’t suggesting you were, or that FAB were witholding anything - I understand there must be some things the club share with them that they have to keep quiet about. In my earlier post I was just showing that it hadn’t appeared in the meeting notes so must’ve been withheld from the notes.

In any event, what you are clarifying and describing sounds very exciting so in that respect I think we have to wait until the club can announce this before reaching any judgement on the seat swaps point. Great to have some things moving on the club infrastructure front.

Agree and it was discussed with the FAB at a separate one-off meeting.

[NewClaret]

Agree and it was discussed with the FAB at a separate one-off meeting.

Ah, very interesting! Super excited now!

I love some infrastructure investment

[NewClaret]

I think the out of town comment was a wind up chaps

[NewClaret]

I might have dreamt it but I’m sure I saw some plans in a picture for it. Can’t recall where I saw it now. Basically the entire car park to where the LED screen is at the crossroads.

They already have a gazebo up for away fans I think and a load of portaloos, it looks so amateurish.

Baffling they don’t just pull the stand down asap and start fresh instead of polishing a turd spending loads.

This is my concern. We’ve under invested in the ground for so long and faffed around with replacing the CFS that we now are not compliant with the standards of the league we’re in an presumably incurring dead cost on any upgrades to that stand. Guess we have no choice though because ripping it down isn’t an option and nowhere else could accommodate the changing rooms.

[NewClaret]

The beehole end
After they'd looked back on the dyche episode
I think it was in between talking about Trafford, and at what temp the Haffners pies will be cooked to.

Thanks. Not a huge podcaster but will look those up and do want to listen to the Dyche one.

[NewClaret]

Surely we need a long term plan for redevelopment of the stadium. This might mean building 2 new stands in the corners of the cricket field, moving changing facilities into these, then taking down part of the cricket field stand in stages so we don’t lose capacity, or are we just going to patch up what we’ve got for ever?

I agree entirely.

To be honest, if anything comes out that is bodging up Turf Moor any more than it already is with corner stands, etc I’ll be pretty disappointed. I’d like whatever they do with the CFS to be future proofed to allow for carry round to the BL. And anything done in either to ideally be part of a vision that could see full redevelopment of the ground over time.

Hopefully Pace has seen Espanyol’s ground and would like both of his clubs to have facilities of similar standards, if smaller in our case.

[NewClaret]

New fan zone and club shop / mall (keep
It American) being built on the car park behind the cricketfield??

Since Leisure has now confirmed something similar, I will say what I’d go for…

Firstly, anything that gives that stretch a frontage on to the pavement instead of a brick wall is going to be a massive improvement to the area.

I’d go for a fan zone/bar on the ground floor and move the club shop and ticket office there.

Then above it, maybe mixed use - offices for club staff and a hotel. Pretty sure a hotel would do well there, especially at match days with fans and media to accommodate, and it would provide a year round income to the club.

That would free up the BL for eventual redevelopment as a stand where dressing rooms could be located and a lot of corporate added with a tunnel club/media sited there.

I assume loss of parking is an issue so maybe the Elite Centre is going to be tarmac’d to replace the lost spaces?

[Alan Young]

An additional fanzone (possibly for away fans) is a waste of resource in my opinion and would suggest there’s no short or even mid term plan to do anything serious with the actual stand facilities.

[Cyril_Sneer]

The reason the cricket club won’t relocate, which would enable an expansion of the cricket field stand, is because of the revenue they receive from away fans on match day.
The club are building an away fan drinking area, which will deprive the cricket club of that revenue, meaning they are more likely to accept relocation.
More money for the football club and opens up the opportunity to expand the cricket field all in one move.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

The reason the cricket club won’t relocate, which would enable an expansion of the cricket field stand, is because of the revenue they receive from away fans on match day.
The club are building an away fan drinking area, which will deprive the cricket club of that revenue, meaning they are more likely to accept relocation.
More money for the football club and opens up the opportunity to expand the cricket field all in one move.

And it’s Cyril Sneer from an account dormant for 7 years!

Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to give them a million in compensation and a plan to redevelop their site too?

[MG70]

I'm sure we were told 20 years ago that the CFS wasn't fit for purpose and that it was crumbling. Aren't we just throwing more good money after bad ?