I know plenty of Preston fans that haven’t shown a “natural instinct” to side with Osmajic.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:54 pmThey can't know he's guilty they might suspect he is. We don't know for sure that he's guilty. It's our natural instinct to side with Hannibal as it is with Preston's with osmajic. The FA have to be seen to be doing something but in reality they have nothing to really go on.
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After the incident looking on their forum the general consensus take was let's presume innocence until proven otherwise. i dare say some might be reluctant the same applies to hannibal. I want hannibel to get justice if he's been wronged but not at the expense of somebody innocent. I don't hold out much hope for the certain truth with the guessing game of balance of probabilities.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:16 pmI know plenty of Preston fans that haven’t shown a “natural instinct” to side with Osmajic.
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Had it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made
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No. The media would have ensured a decision was reached long before now.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:41 pmHad it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made
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There are a hell of a lot more cameras at a Premier League game - almost certain that their would be clear images of the whole incident if it had been in the Premier Leaguewarksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:41 pmHad it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made
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I may be talking nonsense the rules may have changed, I just refer to Ben Turner's Undr the Cosh episode as he was accused of using racial language and talks in depth about the case, on the link below from 1 hour 31 mins 55 seconds in.
One of the points he makes is that when they went to the court case at the FA and reviewed the statements and evidence, the Brentford player who accused him gave a different testimony on the day compared to his statement and so all his statements/evidence was thrown out but Turner was still found guilty based on probability that it happened.
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They have a hell of a lot of facts to go on regarding the balance of probabilities.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:54 pmThey can't know he's guilty they might suspect he is. We don't know for sure that he's guilty. It's our natural instinct to side with Hannibal as it is with Preston's with osmajic. The FA have to be seen to be doing something but in reality they have nothing to really go on.
It would seem unfortunately they do not have an actual
recording of what he said, otherwise it would have been settled long before now.
However they have a long list of factual probabilities which undoubtedly puts the balance very clearly away from what he is has said happened.
1. He is a proven lier. He denied he had bitten the Rovers player before the footage was released showing him with his teeth in the player.
2. He has committed this season one of the most repulsive things one player can do to another , by plunging his teeth into an opponent, which also shows a total lack of control in the heat of the moment.
3. Also indisciplined away from football , with the driving ban he was given recently. Another example of his character or lack of.
4. He is from one of the most racist countries in Europe. When England played at Montenegro several years ago, some of the England players and their families were subjected to monkey shouts and racist comments throughout the match and the stewards and police did nothing to stop it.
This behaviour resulted UEFA banning all fans from their stadium in the next match.
I could go on with more examples which I am sure the FA have also looked into.
When you watch the incident you can see he is clearly losing it and when that happens, there is such an obvious balance of probabilities that all this factual history will play it’s part in what he actually says.
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if we have to look at his behavior it's also fair to look at hannibals behaviour such as the stamping incident. Point 4 where's he's from isn't valid you can't just directly attribute him to be racist because he's from a racist country & the driving ban isn't really relevant. The rest of the points seem reasonable especially 1 & 2 which go together I'm not sure why you've separated them maybe to enlarge things.northeastclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:02 pmThey have a hell of a lot of facts to go on regarding the balance of probabilities.
It would seem unfortunately they do not have an actual
recording of what he said, otherwise it would have been settled long before now.
However they have a long list of factual probabilities which undoubtedly puts the balance very clearly away from what he is has said happened.
1. He is a proven lier. He denied he had bitten the Rovers player before the footage was released showing him with his teeth in the player.
2. He has committed this season one of the most repulsive things one player can do to another , by plunging his teeth into an opponent, which also shows a total lack of control in the heat of the moment.
3. Also indisciplined away from football , with the driving ban he was given recently. Another example of his character or lack of.
4. He is from one of the most racist countries in Europe. When England played at Montenegro several years ago, some of the England players and their families were subjected to monkey shouts and racist comments throughout the match and the stewards and police did nothing to stop it.
This behaviour resulted UEFA banning all fans from their stadium in the next match.
I could go on with more examples which I am sure the FA have also looked into.
When you watch the incident you can see he is clearly losing it and when that happens, there is such an obvious balance of probabilities that all this factual history will play it’s part in what he actually says.
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So much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:57 pmif we have to look at his behavior it's also fair to look at hannibals behaviour such as the stamping incident. Point 4 where's he's from isn't valid you can't just directly attribute him to be racist because he's from a racist country & the driving ban isn't really relevant. The rest of the points seem reasonable especially 1 & 2 which go together I'm not sure why you've separated them maybe to enlarge things.
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Doesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:14 pmSo much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.
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It doesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached. It's not about who's right & who's wrong to me it might be important to you I couldn't care less.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:14 pmSo much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.
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All hypothetical, but: if the Preston player who apparently went into our changing room to console Hannibal were to explain the reason for his actions there's a probable witness.
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How would you know it’s correct?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:16 pmDoesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached.
a) if he’s guilty You’ll just keep banging your he said she said drum and say it’s wrong
B) if he’s not guilty you’ll say you were right.
One things for sure, you don’t possess the balls to say “I was wrong”.
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Exactly it's impossible to say. I'll rephrase it I hope they guess right not that I will know for sure either way.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:20 pmHow would you know it’s correct?
a) if he’s guilty You’ll just keep banging your he said she said drum and say it’s wrong
B) if he’s not guilty you’ll say you were right.
One things for sure, you don’t possess the balls to say “I was wrong”.
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Going to a hearing.
Peter Ridsdale confirms Milutin Osmajic latest after FA charge and Burnley man's allegations https://share.google/lK16DSBMbstiI41Xl
Peter Ridsdale confirms Milutin Osmajic latest after FA charge and Burnley man's allegations https://share.google/lK16DSBMbstiI41Xl
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I’m still shocked this hasn’t been sorted. The match was televised and the knob spoke directly to camera. Any half decent lip reader would know what was said.
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It's because they don't know how to deal with it, they'll drag it out as long as possible.
Probably waiting to see if he left the EFL then they would ban him for 3 games
Probably waiting to see if he left the EFL then they would ban him for 3 games
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It's nothing to do with the EFL, it's a matter for the FA and it matters not who he plays for should he move.
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Even if he moves overseas?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:30 pmIt's nothing to do with the EFL, it's a matter for the FA and it matters not who he plays for should he move.
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Yes, because we've signed two players in the past who brought disciplinary suspensions with them from other countries. I know they were Scotland but the same rules apply - Ian Wright and Joey Barton by the way. So, if he was to be found guilty and if he had moved from Preston to a club in another country, our FA would ensure that the suspension was applied.
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Are we past the point of arguing they are being thorough by taking so long yet?
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Osmajic will have retired at this rate.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:15 pmAre we past the point of arguing they are being thorough by taking so long yet?
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Hearing to be held after start of the season.
https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/pr ... le-5238334
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The problem with that is that you cant lip read it all because on the video we have all seen his mouth goes behind Hannibals head, so you cant see half of what he saidTricky Trevor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:55 pmI’m still shocked this hasn’t been sorted. The match was televised and the knob spoke directly to camera. Any half decent lip reader would know what was said.
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Happen they have nothing to go on except Hannibals word.
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That's the problem. You can infer from the aggression in which he said it, and Hannibal's instinctive reaction, which would be hard to fake, suggested it was something very offensive. But is that enough in terms of hard evidence? Not sure.clarets1978 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 10:52 amThe problem with that is that you cant lip read it all because on the video we have all seen his mouth goes behind Hannibals head, so you cant see half of what he said
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The FA have badly let down Hannibal and Osmajic with the ridiculous amount of time this is taking them to sort. We're well, well past the length of time taken for any other recent high profile racism case in football. Not fit for purpose.
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Osmajic defence will make the case that there is a possibility that Hannibal may have misheard him saying the word “bad” as “black”willsclarets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:20 amThat's the problem. You can infer from the aggression in which he said it, and Hannibal's instinctive reaction, which would be hard to fake, suggested it was something very offensive. But is that enough in terms of hard evidence? Not sure.
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It is pretty clear that nobody else on the pitch heard anything
Hard to prove one man's word against another
Hard to prove one man's word against another
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A lot of people have said this if he was a native English speaker or a foreigner with good English then I would be in full agreement I wouldn’t put a bet on. The fact his English is not very good I would actually consider a bet on it. It is clear what Hannibal believes is said, the only person who knows exactly what was said is Osmajic himself.Claretitus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:44 pmIf you were a betting man, would you put money on him saying “bad”? I know I wouldn’t.
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I’m not saying I would, just what the defence would sayClaretitus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:44 pmIf you were a betting man, would you put money on him saying “bad”? I know I wouldn’t.
We know he has previous, albeit not same issue, but as jojo says it’s going to be a case of “he said, he said”
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Not an accident, putting his head down behind Hannibal's hair, was it?JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:04 pmA lot of people have said this if he was a native English speaker or a foreigner with good English then I would be in full agreement I wouldn’t put a bet on. The fact his English is not very good I would actually consider a bet on it. It is clear what Hannibal believes is said, the only person who knows exactly what was said is Osmajic himself.
I said as he did it something very wrong about that.
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Yeah because the Thomas Partey situation moved real quick with it being a big club.fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:42 pmNo. The media would have ensured a decision was reached long before now.
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I would doubt he noted the position of the cameras and knew there field of view but he could have I guess, for me if you wanted to disguise what you said you would simply cover your mouth with your hand rather than what you said, but who knows other than Osmajic what he said and why he did what he did? You and me and everyone else in here are purely guessing, it is clear Hannibal thinks he said something bad but even he could have misheard. Could other players have heard something no idea.dougcollins wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:09 pmNot an accident, putting his head down behind Hannibal's hair, was it?
I said as he did it something very wrong about that.
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Did it? Who did he racially abuse?Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:27 pmYeah because the Thomas Partey situation moved real quick with it being a big club.
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Moved quickly once Arsenal released himMilltown1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:27 pmYeah because the Thomas Partey situation moved real quick with it being a big club.
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I'd say he knew exactly what he was doing there.JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:29 pmI would doubt he noted the position of the cameras and knew there field of view but he could have I guess, for me if you wanted to disguise what you said you would simply cover your mouth with your hand rather than what you said, but who knows other than Osmajic what he said and why he did what he did? You and me and everyone else in here are purely guessing, it is clear Hannibal thinks he said something bad but even he could have misheard. Could other players have heard something no idea.
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This is the most bizarre perspective on this thread and that's saying something.dougcollins wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:09 pmNot an accident, putting his head down behind Hannibal's hair, was it?
I said as he did it something very wrong about that.

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That’s fine and you could be correct, nobody has any idea other than Osmajic it’s purely guess work and that isn’t enough to find him guilty.
You know as well as me that the vast majority of Burnley fans saying he is racist, if the shoe was on the other foot would be finding to say he was innocent as a lot of Preston fans are doing
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I'm not saying I know he's guilty. I don't know, like everybody else.
What I am saying is that he knew exactly what he was doing when he put his head down behind Hannibal's.
What I am saying is that he knew exactly what he was doing when he put his head down behind Hannibal's.
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You might say different now on a technicality but the implication was there. He certainly wasn't stooping his head as a gesture of goodwill.dougcollins wrote: ↑Sun Jul 27, 2025 8:11 pmI'm not saying I know he's guilty. I don't know, like everybody else.
What I am saying is that he knew exactly what he was doing when he put his head down behind Hannibal's.
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Played and scored yesterday.
This is all going to get swept under the carpet isn't it, using the length of time taken to reach a decision as a proxy for supposed thoroughness.
When is the hearing? Any date?
If there is a ban coming, penny for QPR's thoughts?
This is all going to get swept under the carpet isn't it, using the length of time taken to reach a decision as a proxy for supposed thoroughness.
When is the hearing? Any date?
If there is a ban coming, penny for QPR's thoughts?
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Puts all the taking the knee and kick it out stuff into context. When something actually needs doing the authorities are toothless. Virtual signalling papers over the real issues and the perpetrator carries on regardless. Anyone in the stadium that day knows what went on, the instant reaction from Hannibal and continued protestations went far beyond potential gamesmanship coupled with a Preston player apologising. The Preston fans lauding over this and the PNE club not dealing with it show how low they have dropped.
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Posted several times now, but had it been Arsenal, Man City or Liverpool who played Preston that day, we would not be having this conversation today