Summer transfer window

[Boxy]

Isnt PSR July to june. Therefore we are in a new year

[Grimsdale]

Isnt PSR July to june. Therefore we are in a new year

Ours is August to July

[GetIntoEm]

Sargent over Wilson every day of the week. Guarantee we signed Wilson and he's out for 10 weeks

[Vegas Claret]

Sargent over Wilson every day of the week. Guarantee we signed Wilson and he's out for 10 weeks

I think Wilson is going to WHU

[Longsider]

I think Wilson is going to WHU

Good

[NewClaret]

Sargent over Wilson every day of the week. Guarantee we signed Wilson and he's out for 10 weeks

I don’t want Sargent, particularly at £20m - agree with the post above that £7m for Flemming for a player that scored a similar number of goals - but would also agree that I’d much prefer him to Wilson.

[Grimsdale]

Sargent over Wilson every day of the week. Guarantee we signed Wilson and he's out for 10 weeks

We could sign both of them, imagine a forward line of Sargent Wilson

[NewClaret]

https://x.com/fukxumean/status/1948091559078986124

Expect it’s much more likely the opposite - we need to wait until August 1st to sell so the proceeds count towards next seasons profit.

[Wokingclaret]

We could sign both of them, imagine a forward line of Sargent Wilson

Don't tell them Pike

[willsclarets]

Sargent is a better version of Flemming as a striker. Offers the same qualities but is technically sharper and more natural as a striker. If Parker wants the striker to play the same role this season as he had Flemming playing in last season then IMO Sargent is perfect.

The injury record would be the only concern for me.

I don't think he's £13 million quid better personally. In the latter part of the season, Flemming's goal contributions picked up significantly. (8 or 9 in 14 games I think) He's got a decent shooting boot on him, and from what I've seen, I think Flemming is equally technical. All opinions! Where I think Sargent is better is his running off the ball, he finds some excellent space between defenders. Flemming doesn't stretch the oppo defence. Sargent scored 2 goals on his last outing in the prem, I think Flemming does better than that. Can't see why we'd pay a huge fee and demote Flemming personally!

Finding strikers that are an obvious upgrade without breaking the bank is so hard for any team let alone promoted ones. That's why I can kind of see the rationale for Wilson, though the risk seems perhaps a tad too high with his hamstrings. The other route is a Delap-esque signing, or Ferguson now at Roma. Someone who has shown early promise and for whatever reason fallen away a tad, and needs a new challenge. I agree we need an out and out striker, but finding the right one at the right price is very difficult.

[warksclaret]

I don't think he's £13 million quid better personally. In the latter part of the season, Flemming's goal contributions picked up significantly. (8 or 9 in 14 games I think) He's got a decent shooting boot on him, and from what I've seen, I think Flemming is equally technical. All opinions! Where I think Sargent is better is his running off the ball, he finds some excellent space between defenders. Flemming doesn't stretch the oppo defence. Sargent scored 2 goals on his last outing in the prem, I think Flemming does better than that. Can't see why we'd pay a huge fee and demote Flemming personally!

Finding strikers that are an obvious upgrade without breaking the bank is so hard for any team let alone promoted ones. That's why I can kind of see the rationale for Wilson, though the risk seems perhaps a tad too high with his hamstrings. The other route is a Delap-esque signing, or Ferguson now at Roma. Someone who has shown early promise and for whatever reason fallen away a tad, and needs a new challenge. I agree we need an out and out striker, but finding the right one at the right price is very difficult.

Fleming does not have the natural instinct of a centre forward but I feel did Scotty a huge favour in playing there as the only options were Jay and Hountondji, and Foster who was not available for a number of games. He scored some very spectacular goals and that instinct with converting those half chances could serve him well in the PL. WE cannot however go 38 league games without a proper No 9 who is going to cause defences issues

[willsclarets]

Fleming does not have the natural instinct of a centre forward but I feel did Scotty a huge favour in playing there as the only options were Jay and Hountondji, and Foster who was not available for a number of games. He scored some very spectacular goals and that instinct with converting those half chances could serve him well in the PL. WE cannot however go 38 league games without a proper No 9 who is going to cause defences issues

Yep I agree we need a number 9, just disagree Sargent is "it", especially for the fee and given his record/profile next to Flemming (and foster)

[KRBFC]

Sargent scored 2 goals on his last outing in the prem, I think Flemming does better than that.

Well at least add context, Sargent was 21 year old playing for the worst side in the league and a bit part wide player with Pukki very much the nailed on starting striker.

[Mattster]

I don't think he's £13 million quid better personally. In the latter part of the season, Flemming's goal contributions picked up significantly. (8 or 9 in 14 games I think)

Flemming got 6 in the last 14. 8 in his last 20 league games.

Sargent scored 2 goals on his last outing in the prem, I think Flemming does better than that.

Sargent was 21 years old then and mostly played on the right wing. Sargent is still younger than Flemming is now if you're saying Flemming scores more than 2 next season then the same would surely apply to Sargent.

If he didn't have the injury record he does I'd be very happy spending £20m on Sargent. As it is I'm 50/50 on it, I don't see any other options that would offer the same or better at a lower price tbh.

[willsclarets]

Well at least add context, Sargent was 21 year old playing for the worst side in the league and a bit part wide player with Pukki very much the nailed on starting striker.

Fair enough, but don't ignore the rest of the context or detail in my post. I'm still not seeing a rationale as to why Sargent is far and away better than Flemming for a huge outlay.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Yep I agree we need a number 9, just disagree Sargent is "it", especially for the fee and given his record/profile next to Flemming (and foster)

Which record are you comparing ?

Last seasons

Sargent scored 16 goals in 26 games & 15 goals in 29 games

Flemming scored 7 goals in 46 games & 12 goals in 35 games

Foster has never scored more than 8 for anyone in 1 season

[Guller Bull]

Ly to the Police.

https://vietnamnews.vn/sports/1722007/t ... rnley.html

If what it says is true then that is good business??

[willsclarets]

Flemming got 6 in the last 14. 8 in his last 20 league games.



Sargent was 21 years old then and mostly played on the right wing. Sargent is still younger than Flemming is now if you're saying Flemming scores more than 2 next season then the same would surely apply to Sargent.

If he didn't have the injury record he does I'd be very happy spending £20m on Sargent. As it is I'm 50/50 on it, I don't see any other options that would offer the same or better at a lower price tbh.

By goal contributions, I mean assists and goals which I thought was higher - apologies if I've got that wrong. Over the second half of the season I'm pretty sure Flemming matched Sargent or better but over 38 Sargent got 4 more goal contributions.

I wouldn't be gutted to get Sargent, but I'm not sure what difference he makes

[KRBFC]

Yep I agree we need a number 9, just disagree Sargent is "it", especially for the fee and given his record/profile next to Flemming (and foster)

Foster has scored 3 goals in 39 Championship appearances, like what are we talking about? Profile and record? What record?

[willsclarets]

Which record are you comparing ?

Last seasons

Sargent scored 16 goals in 26 games & 15 goals in 29 games

Flemming scored 7 goals in 46 games & 12 goals in 35 games

Foster has never scored more than 8 for anyone in 1 season

Look at the goal contributions (assists and goals) for the last 20 games, when Flemming was embedded in the team, learning his role and was fully fit. Between the game at Hull away, and our home game against QPR (was eligible for Millwall), he scored 6 and assisted 3. 9 goal contributions in 14 games. He got better as we got further into the season.

I'm not saying Flemming is a great no.9, but it's easy to dismiss what we have in favour of something else.

[Rileybobs]

By goal contributions, I mean assists and goals which I thought was higher - apologies if I've got that wrong. Over the second half of the season I'm pretty sure Flemming matched Sargent or better but over 38 Sargent got 4 more goal contributions.

I wouldn't be gutted to get Sargent, but I'm not sure what difference he makes

If we signed Sargent he would probably be our first choice striker. He would make us stronger. Players aren’t signed just because of what they did the previous season under totally different circumstances, what’s more important is what they could do in future.

I’m not sure if Sargent is the answer, but he would at the very least offer more goal threat than Foster and Barnes so he would strengthen the squad.

[willsclarets]

Foster has scored 3 goals in 39 Championship appearances, like what are we talking about? Profile and record? What record?

I'm not sure how else to say I think we need a number 9, just that we have to be careful spending big money on people that won't necessarily improve the first IX. Also "for context", Foster has 5 in 24 in the premier league, and 3 assists. I'm not his greatest fan, but there's not much evidence to suggest Sargent is the answer given the money being asked for him. Is that really controversial?

[ksrclaret]

In the second half of the season, Flemming's all round forward play was basically like having Ashley Barnes back in his prime. No doubt Barnes returning in January had a massive impact.

He deserves the chance to start the season, but there's no doubt we need another centre forward through the door.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ly to the Police.

https://vietnamnews.vn/sports/1722007/t ... rnley.html

If what it says is true then that is good business??

The 1.75m is probably is height

[ecc]

It doesn't say who they were watching. I presumed and presume it was Fruk because he was the star last season and has been tipped to leave since May.

Rijeka have to sell players: they sold three in January but still managed to win the League and Cup. Last summer they sold Franjo Ivanović to Union Saint Gilloise where he had a very promising first season and is liable to move.

I think Fruk would, as dibraidio said, fit in the role Josh Brownhill played last season. Fruk would be ideal for the Championship IMHO or indeed L1 hence the interest of Nantes. €8m is massive for Rijeka. I suspect Fruk will want away even if they qualify for the CL given his age. He's already played abroad - Fiorentina- but it didn't work out. He will be keen to land a big contract whilst he can.

Whether he or Janković comes or not, I like the way we're looking at different options.

According to Croatian newspaper 24 Sata, we were looking at Toni Fruk, Niko Janković and Stjepan Radeljić. Radeljić, is a 27-year-old CB. I have doubts about the veracity of that info concerning Stjepan Radeljić given his age and career to date. But one never knows.

[willsclarets]

If we signed Sargent he would probably be our first choice striker. He would make us stronger. Players aren’t signed just because of what they did the previous season under totally different circumstances, what’s more important is what they could do in future.

I’m not sure if Sargent is the answer, but he would at the very least offer more goal threat than Foster and Barnes so he would strengthen the squad.

Fair point, he definitely improves the squad don't disagree there. But where I'd say our new fullbacks for instance improve our first IX and for deals that are good for Burnley, just my opinion Sargent arguably does not tick those boxes. I compared Flemming, not because I think he should be our main no.9 go to striker in the prem, but because I think he's likely imo to have a similar impact to Sargent and Zian cost us £7 million quid. I hope we are looking elsewhere personally.

[ecc]

Look at the goal contributions (assists and goals) for the last 20 games, when Flemming was embedded in the team, learning his role and was fully fit. Between the game at Hull away, and our home game against QPR (was eligible for Millwall), he scored 6 and assisted 3. 9 goal contributions in 14 games. He got better as we got further into the season.

I'm not saying Flemming is a great no.9, but it's easy to dismiss what we have in favour of something else.

Zian and Sargent being at the club would not, IMO, be mutually exclusive, as it were.

[andyh]

I'm not sure how else to say I think we need a number 9, just that we have to be careful spending big money on people that won't necessarily improve the first IX. Also "for context", Foster has 5 in 24 in the premier league, and 3 assists. I'm not his greatest fan, but there's not much evidence to suggest Sargent is the answer given the money being asked for him. Is that really controversial?

What about improving the other 2?

[Guller Bull]

Ly to the Police.

https://vietnamnews.vn/sports/1722007/t ... rnley.html

If what it says is true then that is good business??

He had already been released so not good business

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... am-5240346

[willsclarets]

What about improving the other 2?

Foster and Barnes? I think ideally we get someone who is a clear no.1 as a number 9 that pushes Flemming and Foster into backup and Barnes as a cup player. Some people think that's Sargent, I obviously disagree. If Sargent was less expensive (£10-12m) I'd be more open on the idea of him merely improving squad options and demoting Barnes. As it stands, I hope we can do better.

[Darnhill Claret]

I saw £13m quoted for Wolfsburg, so I think we can get him for less than £20m.
Also Parker does like to give his subs a fair crack of the whip, often subbing on 60 or 70 minutes. If we do get Sargeant, we can then try to get a higher profile striker before the window closes.
I don't think we'll get 2 higher profile strikers.

[willsclarets]

I saw £13m quoted for Wolfsburg, so I think we can get him for less than £20m.
Also Parker does like to give his subs a fair crack of the whip, often subbing on 60 or 70 minutes. If we do get Sargeant, we can then try to get a higher profile striker before the window closes.
I don't think we'll get 2 higher profile strikers.

The Pinkun reported the deal negotiated with Wolfsburg was £20 million but Sargent refused the chance to go. For 12-13m, makes much more sense

[nyclaret]

all gone very quiet…

[Steddyman]

all gone very quiet…

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Multi-club ownership model.

[NewClaret]

all gone very quiet…

Apparently a PSR thing. Need to wait until August 1st.

I’ll start worrying if we’re well in to August with no further movement.

[Jakubs Tash]

Apparently a PSR thing. Need to wait until August 1st.

I’ll start worrying if we’re well in to August with no further movement.

“Apparently” according to who?

I’m pretty sure they could do a deal and put it into the August accounts if they had to.

[warksclaret]

Hope we are able to use the loans market shortly. For me a box to box player, with goals in him, but well off the starting order in their own clubs, where they are good enough to start the majority of games for us. Someone to replace Brownhill. For me either Harvey Elliott or Dewsbury Hall would be steller signings. I suspect both Liverpool and Chelsea need to cull their squads shortly with the business they are doing, and having an inflated squads

[RVclaret]

Apparently a PSR thing. Need to wait until August 1st.

I’ll start worrying if we’re well in to August with no further movement.

Signing a player with 1 week until August would be so minimal re. PSR due to amortisation.

Essentially a £10m signing on a 4 year contract, with a 2.5m per year amortisation contribution for PSR purposes, would be 2.5m / 52 (weeks) giving a 1 week amortisation value of £48,000.

So unless we are already over the limit, and need to sell to get back under, which seems unlikely given the £88m sales made post last account cut off date, I don’t think this would be a reason.

[ClaretTony]

Sargent over Wilson every day of the week. Guarantee we signed Wilson and he's out for 10 weeks

Sargent Wilson, it will be Captain Mainwaring next.

[boatshed bill]

Sargent Wilson, it will be Captain Mainwaring next.

We're dooooomed.

[Conroy92]

See Chelsea wants Marc Guiu to get some game time at an English club this year. They will allow a loan but no permanent business.
Should we be interested? Would still allow us to sign a permanent target too.

[kentonclaret]

Sargent Wilson, it will be Captain Mainwaring next.

I was following this thread but I must have dozed off.

[warksclaret]

See Chelsea wants Marc Guiu to get some game time at an English club this year. They will allow a loan but no permanent business.
Should we be interested? Would still allow us to sign a permanent target too.

We must have good relations with Chelsea-we helped Maatsen develop immensely, and even gave Forfana their striker some serious game time in the PL

[mkmel]

Sargent Wilson, it will be Captain Mainwaring next.

With Josh Brownhill gone we need another Captain so Mainwaring it is.

[ClaretTony]

With Josh Brownhill gone we need another Captain so Mainwaring it is.

Stupid Boy

[randomclaret2]

Pike was obviously a Burnley fan...

[NewClaret]

Signing a player with 1 week until August would be so minimal re. PSR due to amortisation.

Essentially a £10m signing on a 4 year contract, with a 2.5m per year amortisation contribution for PSR purposes, would be 2.5m / 52 (weeks) giving a 1 week amortisation value of £48,000.

So unless we are already over the limit, and need to sell to get back under, which seems unlikely given the £88m sales made post last account cut off date, I don’t think this would be a reason.

Don’t they have to book the full £2.5m in the accounting year that the transaction happened?

[billyhamilton82]

Foster and Barnes? I think ideally we get someone who is a clear no.1 as a number 9 that pushes Flemming and Foster into backup and Barnes as a cup player. Some people think that's Sargent, I obviously disagree. If Sargent was less expensive (£10-12m) I'd be more open on the idea of him merely improving squad options and demoting Barnes. As it stands, I hope we can do better.

Josh Sargent is a very good player, and would immediately be first pick as our number 9 if we sign him.

I think some on here will be very surprised at what sort of impact he will have if we can get him in.

I would be interested to know who else would be available/attainable as a striker as I can't think of anyone else in this price range who we could realistically sign?

[NewClaret]

See Chelsea wants Marc Guiu to get some game time at an English club this year. They will allow a loan but no permanent business.
Should we be interested? Would still allow us to sign a permanent target too.

Tough one. I like him, and if there were a chance of an option I’d say go for it, but given our chances of relegation are very high (8 out of the last 9 promoted clubs relegated), I’d say striker is one position we’d probably want to find a player we can profit on if we go down.

We won’t be playing two up front and he’d want guaranteed game time so a very tough one.

If we’ve no more money, I’d be all over it.

[Goliath]

Might be being unfair here but I never like the characters of players we get from Chelsea on loan. Maatsen, Fofana, Drinkwater, Chalibah and Bamford. They all seemed to give off the impression of thinking they were too good for us.