Cricket field stand

[Rick_Muller]

Do Asda ask their customers when they change things around ? You are a customer to a business (and it's absolutely grim to even have to say it but that's the reality)

I have no loyalty to Asda. If I don’t like their changes I’ll go to Tesco, or Morrisons.

Are you suggesting that I go to Rovers or Leeds instead?

This whole situation is a disgusting way to treat fans.

[Vegas Claret]

I have no loyalty to Asda. If I don’t like their changes I’ll go to Tesco, or Morrisons.

Are you suggesting that I go to Rovers or Leeds instead?

This whole situation is a disgusting way to treat fans.

another that missed the point by a mile

and before you ask

I already clarified it earlier on the thread

[Vegas Claret]

Stop concentrating on the Asda part, that's not the point - I could have picked literally any company - it's irrelevant.

[Goody1975]

Stop concentrating on the Asda part, that's not the point - I could have picked literally any company - it's irrelevant.

It maybe wasn't your best analogy since you started posting on here.

**Especially with ASDA being owned in part by a Blackburner.

[Clive 1960]

Pace should hang is head in shame not telling those supporters in that stand they are going to ge moved and buying season tickets where they have sat for years..

[Clive 1960]

Said it for a long time supporter's are just numbers now especially when you are in the big league..

[TsarBomba]

exactly what i thought, its like some mosaic GCSE piece made from Burnley program cuttings. Tbf, its probably only about £3-5m of development, what do you expect for that price

Only £3-5M? To go with the other £10/20M+ we’ve spent since 2009.

There has been a shocking lack of long term planning with regards to the CFS, which is blatantly no longer fit for purpose.

We’re bolting on a hideous concourse area on the side because there isn’t enough space now underneath.

This isn’t remotely about enhancing supporter experience. ALK have zero interest in that. This is simply taking the cheaper option, which will kick the can further down the road and make any redevelopment of the CFS even more complicated, limited and expensive.

[Vegas Claret]

It maybe wasn't your best analogy since you started posting on here.

**Especially with ASDA being owned in part by a Blackburner.

is it ? I didn't know that ! I'll take myself outside and give myself a good kicking

[Dyched]

Overly optimistic post but nevermind.

3 major things with redeveloping the CFS before we even get to trying to rehouse Burnley fans are.

1. Changing Rooms
2. Away Fans
3. Disruption of a separate business

Here’s my thinking for 1 and 2.

1. If the club is looking at spending millions at a rebuild then the changing room have to move. But where? They’ll be losing out on around 4,000 fans (or whatever the CFS holds) during matchdays in that time. They aren’t gonna want to move the changing rooms to any of the boxes and lose out on that matchday income as well. So maybe (big maybe) the new building with the rooftop concourse will be for temporary, if not permanent new changing rooms.

2. Away fans. They’ll have to go somewhere and the most logical to me would be the left side of the north stand lower tier. Away fans would have to enter/exit turf moor a new way to what has been the case for years. So swapping this season so they enter via the lane to the side of the cricket pitch is in preparation for this. You could have all the planning in the world, but until you see something in real time, you have no real idea of how it would work.

3. ???

[123EasyasBFC]

Don’t understand why the club think all the atmosphere comes from those in the cricket field stand. The most part time fans I’ve ever seen. Having the tunnel between the bob lord and cricket field isn’t going to do anything for the atmosphere.

I wonder how the players feel because now they walk out right next to where their families sit to.

[wilks_bfc]

Don’t understand why the club think all the atmosphere comes from those in the cricket field stand. The most part time fans I’ve ever seen. Having the tunnel between the bob lord and cricket field isn’t going to do anything for the atmosphere.

I wonder how the players feel because now they walk out right next to where their families sit to.

The reason for the tunnel moving is for no other reason than the incident following the Sheffield United game

The club are just spinning it in a way as to “improve the atmosphere”

[fidelcastro]

The reason for the tunnel moving is for no other reason than the incident following the Sheffield United game

The club are just spinning it in a way as to “improve the atmosphere”

How does moving the tunnel stop a repeat of what happened at the Sheffield United game?

[123EasyasBFC]

The reason for the tunnel moving is for no other reason than the incident following the Sheffield United game

The club are just spinning it in a way as to “improve the atmosphere”

What difference does moving the tunnel make, does moving the tunnel suddenly stop fans from getting onto the pitch?

[Rick_Muller]

another that missed the point by a mile

and before you ask

I already clarified it earlier on the thread

and you have clearly missed mine.

We are fans of a club, not just customers. That has been massively overlooked and ignored by the club.

I do understand what your point was though, and I know you got a lot of backlash from the point you were trying to make about it being the corporate world and that's how customers are treated these days - it was a poor analogy though.

[wilks_bfc]

How does moving the tunnel stop a repeat of what happened at the Sheffield United game?

What difference does moving the tunnel make, does moving the tunnel suddenly stop fans from getting onto the pitch?

Because the opposing team players/management won’t now have as far or cross the pitch to get to the tunnel.

It’s just my thoughts the club are panicking of a repeat event and trying to mitigate against it

[fidelcastro]

Because the opposing team players/management won’t now have as far or cross the pitch to get to the tunnel.

It’s just my thoughts the club are panicking of a repeat event and trying to mitigate against it

In terms of the players, I suppose it depends where they're stood when someone runs on the pitch!

I think there are other reasons why they're doing this, and they're mostly financial.

[Claretforever]

Perhaps it’s to give Burnley fans a better match day experience as the fans in there have been complaining for some time about how squashed they are under there.

[123EasyasBFC]

Because the opposing team players/management won’t now have as far or cross the pitch to get to the tunnel.

It’s just my thoughts the club are panicking of a repeat event and trying to mitigate against it

It’s not going to save any walking time for the players. Management wouldn’t have as far to walk but fans would still have chance to get on the pitch if they wanted to

[MrTopTier]

Name a club that puts it fans first.

Answer none.

Football is a business and it’s about making money end of.

We have had precedents before at Burnley, when they extended the corporate area in the lower tier and three or four rows were moved out either to another part of the ground or an inferior seat in that area.

Man Utd are the biggest examples of not giving a crap about their supporters.

The reason they do it is because of demand, they know people are going to turn up to watch their team because of loyalty.

Also because the fans have no real power or say in the matter. Don’t like the changes it’s ok we have a waiting list of people to take that seat.

“Football without fans is nothing” is a whole load of bullshit. Fans can get treated like mugs for years and nothing changes, you only have to look at our neighbours as a prime example.

Plenty of social media posts indicating it’s not a good idea, it will be ignored, there are a few saying it’s alright and it may mean more tickets in there, so their may be some positives, but on the whole it’s another own goal by this football club.

[Rick_Muller]

Perhaps it’s to give Burnley fans a better match day experience as the fans in there have been complaining for some time about how squashed they are under there.

I dont live in Burnley - have they built this yet? or is this just a pipedream promise to appease the change of seats that wont come to fruition? If they haven't started building this yet, I cant see it being ready for anytime this season.

I do like this part of the plan though, and I agree that if this is what the reasoning is for the relocation of fans, I can understand it.

For everyone commenting on this thread, it would be good to understand if you currently have a season ticket in the CFS like me. Its not so that we can discount your opinion if you dont but it would go some way to understanding the demographic of anyone who comments on this issue. I see so many comments finding no fault with this change, and I would guarantee that those people dont have a ST in the CFS.

For the record, I welcome the proposed improvements in the main. However I am extremely disappointed in the manner in which the club have communicated these changes. I would also suggest the club thinks long and hard about how to appease those of us affected with a seat move as it isn't just about the inferior view that we all will get (see my previous post), its like other issues as mentioned by others on the thread such as being near an exit for someone with limited mobility etc. In my case, I do have an invisible disability and my current seat is at the front of the block and next to an aisle so it makes it easy for me to sit down and stretch out my legs with alleviates my the pain I have - will that be the case for my "new" seat - I'm not so certain.

I renewed my Season Ticket on the basis that I was renewing MY seat, not for ANY ticket in the stand. These changes should have been communicated before Season Ticket renewals happened enabling those of us with potential issues (which are health and safety issues to be fair) to have a voice about how it actually affects us.

Current Season Ticket Holder in CFS

[randomclaret2]

Because the opposing team players/management won’t now have as far or cross the pitch to get to the tunnel.

It’s just my thoughts the club are panicking of a repeat event and trying to mitigate against it

Seems an awful lot of work to take on because a young lad shouted at Wilder

[Alan Young]

I think it all shows there’s no serious consideration to replacing the CFS anytime soon. Otherwise why spend millions on what would effectively be a “sticking plaster” that has to make way in a major redevelopment?

Seems like a lot of disruption and wasted resource to me and more “kicking the can down the road”. Maybe they’re waiting for it to actually fall down to save on demolition costs.

[The Shire Claret]

I think it all shows there’s no serious consideration to replacing the CFS anytime soon. Otherwise why spend millions on what would effectively be a “sticking plaster” that has to make way in a major redevelopment?

Seems like a lot of disruption and wasted resource to me and more “kicking the can down the road”. Maybe they’re waiting for it to actually fall down to save on demolition costs.

There probably is the possibility of doing it up but by bit like they are doing …

If the foundations are solid they can replace the roof and sides and modernise it maybe with a full modern solar roof etc ….

Not ideal but it is possible and we don’t need to increase capacity

Plus all these projects can be done out of season most likely

[Bada Bing]

I don't know how much a new stand would cost. I suspect it's less than the £88 million for Espanyol. Where did ALK get the money to finance that? Is the answer Burnley FC?

[NottsClaret]

I think it all shows there’s no serious consideration to replacing the CFS anytime soon. Otherwise why spend millions on what would effectively be a “sticking plaster” that has to make way in a major redevelopment?

Seems like a lot of disruption and wasted resource to me and more “kicking the can down the road”. Maybe they’re waiting for it to actually fall down to save on demolition costs.

The CFS is a bit like Trigger's broom now, there'll be quite a bit of it that's newer than the 'new' stands. I've no sentimental attachment to any part of the ground strangely, other than the location.

[Woodleyclaret]

It would be nice to apply some thought to North Stand improvements. Using the toilets at half time is a nightmare caused by fans cluttering up the smoking exit and bar area.
Moving both more centrally particularly serving hot drinks at the facility nearest the Jimmy Mac end would help.Punters get a drink and stand next to both toilet entrance areas causing chaos.

[quoonbeatz]

Can’t see how the energy bill for all the LEDs is going to be sustainable in the Championship.

[NewClaret]

Shocking communication. No reason at all this couldn’t have been raised as a possibility with CFS ST holders in January but certainly following promotion. To announce it a week before ST holders will be contacted with details and just a few weeks before our first home game is beyond comprehension really. Puts them in a position where we go in to the season with a bit of lingering frustration which is likely to be quickly followed up with poor results on the pitch. All unhelpful and the club really don’t help themselves sometimes. Hopefully a shiny new bar area and facilities will help them feel the move is worthwhile.

I’m also not sure this was even necessary. We could have gone a season with the players walking out to home/away fans either side and then moved next year when fans could choose their seat. I don’t think it will help the atmosphere splitting the CFS and Longside.

Final whinge is that I was kind of expecting this to be announced as part of a wider vision for investment in Turf Moor - specifically replacing the CFS or BL - whereas what’s been announced would appear to hinder either, or be wasted investment. This is much more an LED-led lick of paint vs redevelopment.

All that said, I’ve moaned for years about the lack of investment in the ground and piecemeal improvements are better than nothing. A proper tunnel vs the tiny thing stuck to the side of the CFS will look much better.

[NewClaret]

I don't know how much a new stand would cost. I suspect it's less than the £88 million for Espanyol. Where did ALK get the money to finance that? Is the answer Burnley FC?

Very unlikely, you have to think, since we had no cash in the first place and no further charges registered.

[manuelbenny]

Have we had any confirmation whether home fans will still be allowed to walk along the path alongside the cricket field to and from games.
It will be an absolute joke if home fans in the North Stand will have to walk all the way around the ground and cricket field to walk towards town or Queens Park and beyond

[Alan Young]

Can’t see how the energy bill for all the LEDs is going to be sustainable in the Championship.

They’ll need to buy the cricket club and turn it into a solar farm at this rate.

[bfcfan1882]

Have we had any confirmation whether home fans will still be allowed to walk along the path alongside the cricket field to and from games.
It will be an absolute joke if home fans in the North Stand will have to walk all the way around the ground and cricket field to walk towards town or Queens Park and beyond

There's no other option - home and away can't mix down that narrow passage.

[Claretnick]

Have we had any confirmation whether home fans will still be allowed to walk along the path alongside the cricket field to and from games.
It will be an absolute joke if home fans in the North Stand will have to walk all the way around the ground and cricket field to walk towards town or Queens Park and beyond

It's what we had to do in the days of the segregated Longside and Bee Hole end terracing.

[Leisure]

Drastically reduced passing trade, at a guess.

Where have you got that they may have reduced passing trade from? I would have thought that they'll be far busier with away fans.

[manuelbenny]

There's people with mobility issues. It's going to put half an hour on people's journey home.
Pace is becoming dictatorial. We got the stupid Norwich City goal music gimmick...now this...

[Leisure]

already explained it further up

Not to me???

[ChrisG]

There's no other option - home and away can't mix down that narrow passage.

I don't see why not, virtually every other ground in th country unceremoniously dumps everyone out of the stand and into the same circulation zone after the match. Old Trafford, Deepdale, Etihad, Elland Road.

Doesn't cause any issues of note.

[Leisure]

Have we had any confirmation whether home fans will still be allowed to walk along the path alongside the cricket field to and from games.
It will be an absolute joke if home fans in the North Stand will have to walk all the way around the ground and cricket field to walk towards town or Queens Park and beyond

As far as I'm aware there's been no mention of that

[Bada Bing]

Very unlikely, you have to think, since we had no cash in the first place and no further charges registered.

I wasn't referring to cash. As far as I am aware ALK haven't paid for anything in cash, or certainly their own cash. My point was that they have been able to finance, buying another club at the expense of building a new stand. Alan Pace last season's Q &A mentioned that a new stand needed to be built but he didn't know how they were going to go about it.

[Leisure]

I don't know how much a new stand would cost. I suspect it's less than the £88 million for Espanyol. Where did ALK get the money to finance that? Is the answer Burnley FC?

No it's not. We haven't got £88m.

[martin_p]

I don't see why not, virtually every other ground in th country unceremoniously dumps everyone out of the stand and into the same circulation zone after the match. Old Trafford, Deepdale, Etihad, Elland Road.

Doesn't cause any issues of note.

Yep, don’t see why we’re any different. If their is a perceived issue then all they have to do is hold away fans back for ten minutes after the match.

[ŽižkovClaret]

About what?

How this change is going to affect them. It really looks like the new arrangement will change how both sets of fans use the cricket club pre and post game, therefore affecting revenues.

[NewClaret]

I wasn't referring to cash. As far as I am aware ALK haven't paid for anything in cash, or certainly their own cash. My point was that they have been able to finance, buying another club at the expense of building a new stand. Alan Pace last season's Q &A mentioned that a new stand needed to be built but he didn't know how they were going to go about it.

Well your question was where did ALK get the money to finance Espanyol, was it BFC? Which it almost certainly wasn’t.

If your wider point was we should use the same source of funding to finance wider investment in Turf Moor, I completely agree.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Perhaps it’s to give Burnley fans a better match day experience as the fans in there have been complaining for some time about how squashed they are under there.

Quite reminiscent of Sparta Prague, with hopefully less Nazi salutes

[Leisure]

How this change is going to affect them. It really looks like the new arrangement will change how both sets of fans use the cricket club pre and post game, therefore affecting revenues.

Time will tell.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Have we had any confirmation whether home fans will still be allowed to walk along the path alongside the cricket field to and from games.
It will be an absolute joke if home fans in the North Stand will have to walk all the way around the ground and cricket field to walk towards town or Queens Park and beyond

I'm very concerned about the whole North and Jimmy Mac stand punters all having to filter out through the gap by the club shop. What happens if it somehow gets blocked, either accidentally or by something more malicious? They need, imo, to add further emergency access through the brick perimeter wall

[ŽižkovClaret]

Time will tell.

I mean, as a Lowerhouse man, on one level it is quite funny, but i can't imagine they are too happy

[Bada Bing]

No it's not. We haven't got £88m.

I know BFC hasn't got £88 million. ALK have financed Burnley FC and Espanyol through leveraged debt. BFC future profits are being used as leverage. This is at the expense of building a new stand. ALK deem it more profitable to buy another club, rather than build a new CFS stand.

[summitclaret]

The reason for the tunnel moving is for no other reason than the incident following the Sheffield United game

The club are just spinning it in a way as to “improve the atmosphere”

Would not be surprised if that is the major factor.

[BradTee93]

I dont live in Burnley - have they built this yet? or is this just a pipedream promise to appease the change of seats that wont come to fruition? If they haven't started building this yet, I cant see it being ready for anytime this season.

I do like this part of the plan though, and I agree that if this is what the reasoning is for the relocation of fans, I can understand it.

For everyone commenting on this thread, it would be good to understand if you currently have a season ticket in the CFS like me. Its not so that we can discount your opinion if you dont but it would go some way to understanding the demographic of anyone who comments on this issue. I see so many comments finding no fault with this change, and I would guarantee that those people dont have a ST in the CFS.

For the record, I welcome the proposed improvements in the main. However I am extremely disappointed in the manner in which the club have communicated these changes. I would also suggest the club thinks long and hard about how to appease those of us affected with a seat move as it isn't just about the inferior view that we all will get (see my previous post), its like other issues as mentioned by others on the thread such as being near an exit for someone with limited mobility etc. In my case, I do have an invisible disability and my current seat is at the front of the block and next to an aisle so it makes it easy for me to sit down and stretch out my legs with alleviates my the pain I have - will that be the case for my "new" seat - I'm not so certain.

I renewed my Season Ticket on the basis that I was renewing MY seat, not for ANY ticket in the stand. These changes should have been communicated before Season Ticket renewals happened enabling those of us with potential issues (which are health and safety issues to be fair) to have a voice about how it actually affects us.

Current Season Ticket Holder in CFS

That’s my main gripe is the lack of communication from the club upon the point of purchase. They should’ve contacted each ST holder in the CFS before we could renew to mention the plans even if they were at an early stage back then.

At least then folk could’ve spoke their thoughts and requested moves to other areas which I’d imagine would be very difficult now. Although I will look forward to not be getting squashed with the added room mentioned in the concourse! Boro at home last season was beyond a nightmare!