Spuds v Super Clarets Match Thread

[taio]

I don’t know how you’re still missing the point, I don’t care that Brownhill has gone but he needs replacing. Where is that replacement? Ekdal is not a new signing.

The point is that you've slagged Brownhill, along with other players, countless times, so you ought to be less bothered about his replacement. No idea why you're referring to Ekdal in the context of my post - I was referring to the new signings with many of them obviously not ready to start today, or when they do suggesting patience.

[billyhamilton82]

Strange match. After a horrible opening 10 minutes culminating in their opener I thought we grew in confidence and played well.We got into a lot of good positions and weren't shy to pull the trigger which is encouraging. But there was a real lack of quality in and around the box, most notably summed up by Walker's overhit ball across the box to Anthony and Hannibal chopping the ball back instead of shooting.

Lots of cause for optimism, but some concerns. Dubravka didn't do enough to prevent all three goals, Ekdal just isn't quick enough for this level - even with the pace of Walker and Esteve either side, if one of those decides to dive in and miss a challenge on the halfway line he is left isolated. And most importantly, where are the goals going to come from?

I agree with most of that but I don't know what else Dubravka could have done, unless I missed something?

[Rileybobs]

I agree with most of that but I don't know what else Dubravka could have done, unless I missed something?

I think he was slow to get across his goal for the first two, and the second his arm wasn’t even fully outstretched. Both very good finishes but not near the corner of the goal. The third goal is a 1v1, so whilst I don’t think he should have saved it, he made himself smaller and presented Johnson with a better opportunity. It’s the kind of chance we saw Trafford save numerous times last season.

[ollieclarets8]

Can’t believe the negativity already ,what did folks expect 4-0 to us ? Get a grip.

Not read the start of the thread but I bet the same posters ruined it again as soon as the lineup was announced.

[boatshed bill]

It’s the kind of chance we saw Trafford save numerous times last season.

That's why Trafford is playing for Man City. Virtually irreplaceable within our budget, the drop in ability something I reckon we have to accept.

[Rileybobs]

That's why Trafford is playing for Man City. Virtually irreplaceable within our budget, the drop in ability something I reckon we have to accept.

Of course. That’s why I said I didn’t expect him to save it. My concern, admittedly based very aprematurely on just the one game, is that we may have signed a goalkeeper that doesn’t save shots that he shouldn’t save. And I think we definitely need one of them to have a chance of staying up.

[dougcollins]

At least it wasn't 5.

And it's still a nice ground.

[boatshed bill]

That's why Trafford is playing for Man City. Virtually irreplaceable within our budget, the drop in ability something I reckon we have to accept.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you.
I felt that if we were obliged to sell Trafford then we should have looked to spend every penny (or more than) that we eventually received on his replacement.

[Tribesmen]

Hard day at the office , but we will have better days .

[boatshed bill]

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you.
I felt that if we were obliged to sell Trafford then we should have looked to spend every penny (or more than) that we eventually received on his replacement.

Oops, for some reason I'm responding to my own quote, not the post which I intended to respond to... weird.

[Woodleyclaret]

Dubravka did ok.Ekdal too slow by why was Big Les not on earlier. Stonewall penalty.We need to shoot on site good approach play

[ollieclarets8]

Oops, for some reason I'm responding to my own quote, not the post which I intended to respond to... weird.

At least you didn't disagree with yourself!

[boatshed bill]

At least you didn't disagree with yourself!

Strange what happened. Maybe ET powers are at work

[Jakubclaret]

Change to a more competent manager inbetween?

3-0 better next you'll be telling me frank's can turn water into wine. Let's see if TF can win a cup like AP did.

[FCBurnley]

CLARETS OFF THE BOTTOM !

[Vegas Claret]

The point is that you've slagged Brownhill, along with other players, countless times, so you ought to be less bothered about his replacement. No idea why you're referring to Ekdal in the context of my post - I was referring to the new signings with many of them obviously not ready to start today, or when they do suggesting patience.

I'm just amazed the club hasn't employed him at this point

[Rileybobs]

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you.
I felt that if we were obliged to sell Trafford then we should have looked to spend every penny (or more than) that we eventually received on his replacement.

I don’t think a £30m+ goalkeeper would sign for Burnley!

[boatshed bill]

I don’t think a £30m+ goalkeeper would sign for Burnley!

You may very well be right.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t think a £30m+ goalkeeper would sign for Burnley!

No but a £7m would have he goes by the name of Sam johnstone.

[Newcastleclaret93]

After re watching the goals, it surprises me how little people are talking about Esteves performance.

At fault for the 1st and 3rd. Ekdal recieved a lot of stick throughout the match thread and player ratings but on second viewing Esteve really struggled.

[123EasyasBFC]

After re watching the goals, it surprises me how little people are talking about Esteves performance.

At fault for the 1st and 3rd. Ekdal recieved a lot of stick throughout the match thread and player ratings but on second viewing Esteve really struggled.

I think it was probably esteves poorest game for us but I don’t think Ekdal played well either, it seemed had the role of marking richarlison and seemed to be nowhere near tight enough, just imagine what Haaland would do to him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think it was probably esteves poorest game for us but I don’t think Ekdal played well either, it seemed had the role of marking richarlison and seemed to be nowhere near tight enough, just imagine what Haaland would do to him.

I agree with all of the above. Watching the match highlights Esteve really struggled positionally, got to wonder whether the three at back system suits him.

The third goal he’s almost playing in midfield which is why Walker and Ekdal were so stretched. Even the first I think Ekdal should have done better but Esteve after giving the ball away was just in no man’s land, stuck between pressing the winger and getting back into shape.

That’s going to have to be worked on in training for sure

[123EasyasBFC]

I agree with all of the above. Watching the match highlights Esteve really struggled positionally, got to wonder whether the three at back system suits him.

The third goal he’s almost playing in midfield which is why Walker and Ekdal were so stretched. Even the first I think Ekdal should have done better but Esteve after giving the ball away was just in no man’s land, stuck between pressing the winger and getting back into shape.

That’s going to have to be worked on in training for sure

Yeah the first one is a really sloppy attempt of a pass from esteve.

Against lazio esteve seemed fine with the system.

I know Tuanzebe played right back most of the time for Ipswich but I see him playing centre half for us in Ekdala position once he’s fit.

After today there’s a lot of comments about needing another centre half. We need to let Delcroix, Worrall and maybe even Ekdal and then not register Beyer because we can consider bringing another cb in.

[123EasyasBFC]

Michael Oliver wanted to follow the rules with the new 8 seconds.

Now should he not of blown before the 3rd goal with esteve holding his face. By the law it’s a head injury.

[Spijed]

After re watching the goals, it surprises me how little people are talking about Esteves performance.

At fault for the 1st and 3rd. Ekdal recieved a lot of stick throughout the match thread and player ratings but on second viewing Esteve really struggled.

I just hope it's not simply the case that Esteve might not be as good at this level as people had expected.

[boatshed bill]

I just hope it's not simply the case that Esteve might not be as good at this level as people had expected.

New defence, new GK. Not sure what people expect.

[Holmechapel]

Michael Oliver wanted to follow the rules with the new 8 seconds.

Now should he not of blown before the 3rd goal with esteve holding his face. By the law it’s a head injury.

Don’t think Esteve had an head injury .we’re clutching at straws trying excuse our defeat ,it was down to Spurs knowing where the onion bag was,and us unable to hit a bull’s arse with a banjo.

[CrosspoolClarets]

After re watching the goals, it surprises me how little people are talking about Esteves performance.

At fault for the 1st and 3rd. Ekdal recieved a lot of stick throughout the match thread and player ratings but on second viewing Esteve really struggled.

I felt Esteve (who I adore) was our worst defender today and in my player ratings (I was first up today) I gave him a 5. He was wobbly and those Sours rumours earlier in the summer may have affected him.

On the flip-side I was a bit harsh on Anthony, probably rated him 1.5 too low, he was one on 2nd viewing did better than I first thought (still not great mind).

Ultimately it won’t be defence that costs us this season, the way we set up, it will be attack.

[BleedingClaret]

So you'd still be confident even if we lost next week?

I wouldn't.

I’m not confident in the Premier League in general as we are outgunned by most teams and yes it would feel a lot better if we beat Sunderland and a lot worse if we didn’t
But as the 2nd game of the season of 38 games it’s just like every other game try to win it if you can’t try not to lose it.
It’s not a must win
Be interesting in 18 games or so if Sunderland are away at Spurs and we’re home to West Ham where we’ll be in the League, in reality both likely to be in the bottom 3 or 4 and how those games will go that day or in the corresponding fixtures if not on the same day.
I don’t think at present we’d have had the firepower to beat West Ham 3.0 but I think Sunderland would likely have lost at Spurs so in that respect they look more potent than us but how many new teams have come into the Premier League, teams that haven’t been in the top flight for years, traditionally big clubs get some early wins then hit a wall.
From memory I’m thinking that Norwich beat Man City one year and were near the top after 8 games but got relegated, may not be totally accurate on that but you know the pattern
Ipswich kept looking like they were going to take off last year but it didn’t happen
Love to beat Sunderland, not a must win

[ArmchairDetective]

Just watched MOTD and it highlights the gap in front of the defence in the build up to each goal. Defensive mids gave no protection. An issue that needs sorting for next time we play 5 at the back. Hopefully Ugochuckwu will help with that.

[beddie]

Just watched MOTD and it highlights the gap in front of the defence in the build up to each goal. Defensive mids gave no protection. An issue that needs sorting for next time we play 5 at the back. Hopefully Ugochuckwu will help with that.

Correct but what’s concerning is that it’s basic defending. It highlighted to me our lack of pace in the middle and at the back, put another way every spurs player could probably beat every Burnley player for pace. We have some very good footballers but all the spurs players were of a much higher standard than ours, we all know that’s how it is in the Premier league. I still think if we can bring in a player of the quality of CJ or better to play alongside Esteve we’ll be much more solid. I thought our captain looked lost at times in that position. You definitely get found out in this league.

[CoolClaret]

put another way every spurs player could probably beat every Burnley player for pace. W

Interestingly, Loum Tchaouna and Lyle Foster recorded the two highest sprint speeds on the pitch yesterday - 32.7 and 32.5 km/h respectively.

Bruun Larsen not too far behind either... I think we should start all of them.

[fidelcastro]

I’m not confident in the Premier League in general as we are outgunned by most teams and yes it would feel a lot better if we beat Sunderland and a lot worse if we didn’t
But as the 2nd game of the season of 38 games it’s just like every other game try to win it if you can’t try not to lose it.
It’s not a must win
Be interesting in 18 games or so if Sunderland are away at Spurs and we’re home to West Ham where we’ll be in the League, in reality both likely to be in the bottom 3 or 4 and how those games will go that day or in the corresponding fixtures if not on the same day.
I don’t think at present we’d have had the firepower to beat West Ham 3.0 but I think Sunderland would likely have lost at Spurs so in that respect they look more potent than us but how many new teams have come into the Premier League, teams that haven’t been in the top flight for years, traditionally big clubs get some early wins then hit a wall.
From memory I’m thinking that Norwich beat Man City one year and were near the top after 8 games but got relegated, may not be totally accurate on that but you know the pattern
Ipswich kept looking like they were going to take off last year but it didn’t happen
Love to beat Sunderland, not a must win

Looking at the run of games we have after Sunderland, I still think it's a must win, as I'm not expecting a lot (if anything) from those matches. We don't want to be cut adrift so early on, as I can't see us getting out of it if we are.

[warksclaret]

Correct but what’s concerning is that it’s basic defending. It highlighted to me our lack of pace in the middle and at the back, put another way every spurs player could probably beat every Burnley player for pace. We have some very good footballers but all the spurs players were of a much higher standard than ours, we all know that’s how it is in the Premier league. I still think if we can bring in a player of the quality of CJ or better to play alongside Esteve we’ll be much more solid. I thought our captain looked lost at times in that position. You definitely get found out in this league.

I did not think Cullen was too bad, though Kudos sped past him for the first. Both Cullen & Laurent starting, is asking for it. Cullen & Les has more of a chance. Parker will need to find someone who can partner these two ie Hannibal/Edwards/Fleming?Ramsey. Suspect we will bring in someone for this role plus an experienced quick CH. Erikson from United would be a good start plus someone like Tosin at Chelsea

[BleedingClaret]

Looking at the run of games we have after Sunderland, I still think it's a must win, as I'm not expecting a lot (if anything) from those matches. We don't want to be cut adrift so early on, as I can't see us getting out of it if we are.

Ok take your point
I was a bit worse for wear on the coach back yesterday when my reply to your post was a little abrupt

[She]

Esteve looked very ordinary yesterday,don't think him and Ekdal are much of a combination its a shame CJ didn't hang around to play in the English Premier league,Ekdal certainly isn't the answer,if he plays that defence regularly we ain't half going to get some tubbings.