Andre Gray

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:42 am

mdd2 wrote:Too many roundabouts to be able to run through Swindon, at least going straight through.
Isn't it the town with the highest number of roundabouts per square metre?

Nelson can't be far behind haha

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:07 pm

Ric_C wrote:Troy Deeney was awful at the turf. Callum Wilson was anonymous

Watford have dropped Deeney today - not scored a goal since 1st October. Totally agree with you on those two, neither offered anything against us.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:46 pm

Can anyone who has watched the first half say gray has a better first touch that Barnes?! Barnes has been immense. Gray miscontrolled every ball that's come his way

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:52 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Can anyone who has watched the first half say gray has a better first touch that Barnes?! Barnes has been immense. Gray miscontrolled every ball that's come his way

Only a troll would agree with that obviously

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:55 pm

joey13 wrote:Only a troll would agree with that obviously

Glad you agree with me for once

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:44 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Glad you agree with me for once

WHAT WAS YOU SAYING ?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:09 pm

I have to confess, I and a few sat around me thought taking off Barnes was the wrong move & should have been Gray

Shows what we know

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:11 pm

joey13 wrote:WHAT WAS YOU SAYING ?

Obviously he scored. But his touch is terrible and he offered nothing else. That said, if he scores every game I will be a happy Muslim

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:15 pm

Awful today, but possibly the biggest goal if the season so far.

In fact scrap that.
THE MOST IMPORTANT GOAL OF THE SEASON SO FAR!!!

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:22 pm

Awful maybe but not helped with the ref stopping the game every 2mins and flashing the yellow every 8

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:22 pm

Thteatened that goal throughout the second half. Nearly got in. 5 minutes earlier but couldnt take a very hard ball.

Not the greatest footballer in the world and never will be, but he is a fine finisher who comes alive around the box. That was a sweet strike, but more importantly an early strike. Thats what did for Valdes. A lesser keeper wouldnt have got there at all.

Great to see, and some humble pie required by some who have written him off, both on this thread and generally.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:26 pm

claretspice wrote: That was a sweet strike, but more importantly an early strike. Thats what did for Valdes. A lesser keeper wouldnt have got there at all.

It was a sweet strike no doubt but it should have been comfortable for Valdes. You were probably at the game so only seen it live but you would still very much expect a lesser keeper to get there and hold it, no sweat.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:31 pm

Disagree. Saw it live an see it was a hard, true and very early strike before Valdes - any keeper - was set. Slow mos won't reflect the element of surprise if the strike.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:33 pm

Feed Gray and he will score, don't feed him and he won't score.... it's that simple.
He was awful today because he was given absolutely nothing to work off, apart from high hanging long balls easy for defenders like Gibson to beat him too. Took his goal well and worked his balls off, no complaints from me, I never doubted Andre tbh.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:40 pm

It doesn't help the case that we often resort to route one hoof ball: long ball from the keeper, flick on, shot and some fortune with the keeper. We're can't rely on getting goals like that, 3 lovely crosses into the box from Defour withing minutes of coming on showed us what we've missed in him.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:43 pm

claretspice wrote:Disagree. Saw it live an see it was a hard, true and very early strike before Valdes - any keeper - was set. Slow mos won't reflect the element of surprise if the strike.

Fair enough. Maybe you'll change your view once you've seen MOTD.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:49 pm

Gray showed his two sides today, in the first half took the ball with a awful first touch, tried to dribble the ball and easily gave the ball away and then fell over.
No time to think, instinctively shoots and we get a goal.
That our Andre

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:56 pm

Not saying, incidentally, that having got there Valdes won't be disappointed - like an outstanding fielder in cricket dropping a chance which wouldnt even constitute a drop for a lesser fielder.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:20 pm

Thought it was an excellent strike but it was poor goalkeeping. It was pretty much right at him.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:34 pm

I haven't written him off. But his first touch and general footballing ability is dreadful. Today proves that.

uptheclarets86 · Post by **uptheclarets86** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:41 pm

mohamed69 wrote:I haven't written him off. But his first touch and general footballing ability is dreadful. Today proves that.

Championship Player of the Season 2016 and Top scorer...stop talking shi*te

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:13 pm

Great flick from big Sam for the goal, terrible goal keeping though.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:14 pm

Ignore the pr-ick

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:32 pm

TVC15 wrote:Ignore the pr-ick

Me?

You're gonna get effing head kicked in, if so?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:41 pm

No not you - mohamed69....presumably the number relates to his IQ

Now put your weapon down diesel - I''m a lover not a fighter !

Classof92 · Post by **Classof92** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:59 pm

Fist touch bad had a bad game
Looked poor
Scores one can't wait till he gets his form back
Utc
Any one got the goal want to have look
Could nt see were I was

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:02 pm

Classof92 wrote:Fist touch bad had a bad game
Looked poor
Scores one can't wait till he gets his form back
Utc
Any one got the goal want to have look
Could nt see were I was

It looks like you've been drinking all day, that's why you couldn't see.

Classof92 · Post by **Classof92** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:04 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:04 pm

From The Guardian...

"Gray deserves a huge amount of credit for the venom and accuracy he packed into his shot. He could hardly have struck it any better, and after getting down low to reach the shot at the foot of his left-hand post, Valdés must have been as surprised as everyone else by the power Gray had been able to summon."

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:10 pm

uptheclarets86 wrote:Championship Player of the Season 2016 and Top scorer...stop talking shi*te

Seems like most people in here agree with me. He has an awful touch and is a poor footballer but relies on his speed and strength. In the championship that was enough, but not in the premier league. He scored today and I hope he scores every week...But what I have said above is the truth and most people who know the game / have functioning eyes agree with me.

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:34 pm

His touch is generally fine when the service is good. When the ball is hoofed in his general direction he doesn't usually magically bring it down out of thin air 10 yards above his head, but unless we can afford Ibrahimovic it's unlikely we'll find someone who can.

Gray is playing in the PL for the first time in his career, he was in non-league football about five minutes ago, he's playing in a side that doesn't set up to suit his strengths, and his season has been heavily disrupted by suspension. People need to give him a break to be honest.

The touch that banged in the winner today looked alright to me.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:37 pm

Did you watch today? Basically every touch was dreadful. He is not good enough. Simple as.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:42 pm

Don't agree with you at all mohammed69.

Think Gray is a finisher. He's not been getting enough opportunities. It's only a matter of time that he scores 2 or 3. Must be hard for young players having to take the weight of Internet know-it-alls.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:43 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Obviously he scored. But his touch is terrible and he offered nothing else. That said, if he scores every game I will be a happy Muslim

He scored 24 goals last season and I can't remember leaving the ground thinking he had a great game.
24 goals with a poor first touch
He fired us to promotion basically.
If you can name a striker, around the same stage of his development, who scores 20+ goals per season, for anywhere near the amount we paid for him, then I will take your comments with a slightly smaller pinch of salt.

He can miscontrol as many passes as he likes for the rest of the season as far as I'm concerned, as long as he scores the goals that keep us in the premier league.

Lay off the lad

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:45 pm

Damo wrote:He scored 24 goals last season and I can't remember leaving the ground thinking he had a great game.
24 goals with a poor first touch
He fired us to promotion basically.
If you can name a striker, around the same stage of his development, who scores 20+ goals per season, for anywhere near the amount we paid for him, then I will take your comments with a slightly smaller pinch of salt.

He can miscontrol as many passes as he likes for the rest of the season as far as I'm concerned, as long as he scores the goals that keep us in the premier league.

Lay off the lad

Agree 100%. But he's scored 2 in 13?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:46 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Agree 100%. But he's scored 2 in 13?

And we are yet to be relegated. What's your point?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:47 pm

Does anyone want to make a bet that he scores less than 10?

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:50 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Does anyone want to make a bet that he scores less than 10?

Want to bet he wins us more than 10 points until the end of the season

He not brilliant by any stretch but he more than paid his fee back to Burnley and in truth is a massive part we are in this league.

Oh and won us 3 points today with his bad touch and lack of football ability you say....

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:51 pm

Damo wrote:And we are yet to be relegated. What's your point?

What a strange thing to say. No one has been relegated yet...

Gray is on track for 5-6 goals. nowhere near good enough. It's as simple as that guys. I don't understand the controversy.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:51 pm

watsonsclarets wrote:Want to bet he wins us more than 10 points until the end of the season

Maybe. How do you define this ?

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:52 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Maybe. How do you define this ?

If you don't know this you don't know the team we currently have

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:53 pm

How many clear cut chances has he missed this season CLEAR CUT...

That's sitters he has missed the target..

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:55 pm

"You don't understand the controversy" ?

Maybe it's because you are bullish-itting that you played at a decent standard

Maybe it's because you think you know more than Dyche

Maybe it's because you said that most people agree with you

Or maybe it's just because you are a pr-ick

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:58 pm

Personally, I don't give a dead rats a55 who scores, as long as they do. I don't really rate Gray, but today's 3 points justifies his inclusion. I was in the pub today, pretty p!seed, and I was voicing an opinion that he should be replaced by Vokes. What the f*ck do I know? In SD I trust.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:59 pm

Absolute naff first touch for the goal today - nice to see him on the scoresheet.

If he has 10 more horrible touches like that goal this season I'll be very happy.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:01 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Absolute naff first touch for the goal today - nice to see him on the scoresheet.

If he has 10 more horrible touches like that goal this season I'll be very happy.

Me too! But he won't.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:02 pm

He's going to be important to us this season and beyond. He does need to improve his first touch and aspects of his technique. But given where he's come from that's hardly surprising. He's still relatively young so has plenty of time to work on his game. That's intended to be constructive rather than being a complete bellend using words like 'he's nowhere near good enough'

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:03 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Maybe it's because you are bullish-itting that you played at a decent standard

How is this relevant, *******?

TVC15 wrote:
Maybe it's because you said that most people agree with you

Most player ratings have him as a 6. Without the goal that's a 5, which is the worst on the pitch. So yeah, *******, I do.

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:03 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Me too! But he won't.

so how many sitters has he missed then pal ??

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:03 pm

taio wrote:He's going to be important to us this season and beyond. He does need to improve his first touch and aspects of his technique. But given where he's come from that's hardly surprising. He's still relatively young so has plenty of time to work on his game. That's intended to be constructive rather than being a complete bellend using words like 'he's nowhere near good enough'

Why do you have to be constructive? Do you think he is listening?