Cullen’s goal VAR check

[martin_p]

My favourite VAR call was the one they showed on the MOTD highlights where the Sunderland player got away with slapping Hannibal’s face because it was deemed ‘a petulant act’. I mean….. what???

[ollieclarets8]

My favourite VAR call was the one they showed on the MOTD highlights where the Sunderland player got away with slapping Hannibal’s face because it was deemed ‘a petulant act’. I mean….. what???

Aye that one was certainly a thinker. One of those games. They could have been 2-0 up early doors, yet we could have had 3 and they be down to 10 men.

[Rileybobs]

My favourite VAR call was the one they showed on the MOTD highlights where the Sunderland player got away with slapping Hannibal’s face because it was deemed ‘a petulant act’. I mean….. what???

The law states that it’s violent conduct if

’ a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.’

It’s a fine line but I suppose the slap in the face by Adingra could have been considered negligible. I think Hannibal provoking the incident will also have been a factor in the decision to just show a yellow.

[Mattster]

The law states that it’s violent conduct if

’ a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.’

It’s a fine line but I suppose the slap in the face by Adingra could have been considered negligible. I think Hannibal provoking the incident will also have been a factor in the decision to just show a yellow.

I think Hannibal being honest and choosing not to drop to the floor with a scream probably saved Adingra.

[Rileybobs]

I think Hannibal being honest and choosing not to drop to the floor with a scream probably saved Adingra.

That as well!

[IanMcL]

Var has become corrupted to favour the big founding members, just as always. It is not used to confirm, it is therecto try and find anything in the ladtvminutes, which could be used to undermine the lesser/unwanted teams

[BFC123]

Absolutely not, he blew when the ball hit the net, had it missed he wouldn’t have blown at all. He realised he’d cocked up and decided that VAR was his get out of jail card.

He let the chance play out in case there was a goal and then blew for the foul, like they’re meant to. Can argue whether it was a foul or not, but the ref did the right thing in terms of letting it go and then blowing. Same principle as when the linesman lets the game play out and then flags after the goal is scored so that it can then be checked by VAR if needed.

[Rowls]

I don't think VAR itself is the problem. It's the incompetent people that operate it.

True, but it's not even primarily a personnel problem. It's how they've set it up. It's almost as if they've deliberately set it up to "rubber stamp" bad decisions instead of doing their best to get things right. This isnt just incompetent; it's moral cowardice.

Referred decisions need to judged 'blind' to stop this. The VAR refs shouldn't know what the onfield decision was.

The onfield red should be able to refer decisions to a VAR panel and so should a designated VAR ref watching the game live.

The VAR ref doesn't have any say in what the décision is going to be, he only has the ability to refer a contentious decision.

The infield ref can refer to the panel.also when he's unsure of a decision.

When a decision is referred, the panel of refs watch the footage independently. The footage doesn't have any sound. They don't know the onfield decision. They don't discuss it. Discussing it leads to group think.

They should be asked a binary choice question. Eg. Decision required: "penalty or no penalty?" "Handball or no handball?"

The VAR panel should be an equal number so in the event of a tied decision the onfield decision acts as the "deciding vote".

Things like determining whether handball is "deliberate" are subjective. But at least this way we'd reach majority verdict.

We'd reach much better decisions if it was set up this way.

[Rowls]

Another thing:

The scoreboard announces the panel's decision. Eg.

Penalty - 2
No penalty - 2

Decision: Panel tied so onfield decision stands

The crowd go "ohhhh" as they know it was a tight call. We can still get all worked up.about but we'll know at least that the decision was reached with integrity.

Or else...

Penalty 4
No penalty 0

Decision: Penalty to Burnley

The crowd whoop, knowing that it was an undeniable penalty when Anthony was shoved in the back. Integrity is restored.

[Rowls]

Oh, and finally - we get rid of the farce that is referees trotting over to watch TV screens.

[Rowls]

And finally-finally the referees all wear microphones for transparency.

There's no shame in the onfield ref saying over the mic to the VAR-referring official, "I didnt see that properly. Should we refer it?" or "That might have been a penalty but X player was also clearly making a meal out of it so I'm not sure what to give. I'm going to refer it to the panel."

[dsr]

True, but it's not even primarily a personnel problem. It's how they've set it up. It's almost as if they've deliberately set it up to "rubber stamp" bad decisions instead of doing their best to get things right. This isnt just incompetent; it's moral cowardice.

Referred decisions need to judged 'blind' to stop this. The VAR refs shouldn't know what the onfield decision was.

The onfield red should be able to refer decisions to a VAR panel and so should a designated VAR ref watching the game live.

The VAR ref doesn't have any say in what the décision is going to be, he only has the ability to refer a contentious decision.

The infield ref can refer to the panel.also when he's unsure of a decision.

When a decision is referred, the panel of refs watch the footage independently. The footage doesn't have any sound. They don't know the onfield decision. They don't discuss it. Discussing it leads to group think.

They should be asked a binary choice question. Eg. Decision required: "penalty or no penalty?" "Handball or no handball?"

The VAR panel should be an equal number so in the event of a tied decision the onfield decision acts as the "deciding vote".

Things like determining whether handball is "deliberate" are subjective. But at least this way we'd reach majority verdict.

We'd reach much better decisions if it was set up this way.

And also they could make Saturday evening kickoffs 6 pm instead of 5.30 so the other matches could finish before the next one starts.

Where do we get all the extra referees from?

[dsr]

And finally-finally the referees all wear microphones for transparency.

There's no shame in the onfield ref saying over the mic to the VAR-referring official, "I didnt see that properly. Should we refer it?" or "That might have been a penalty but X player was also clearly making a meal out of it so I'm not sure what to give. I'm going to refer it to the panel."

And far better, "That might have been a penalty but X player was clearly making a meal of it so no penalty. Play on."

[Rowls]

And also they could make Saturday evening kickoffs 6 pm instead of 5.30 so the other matches could finish before the next one starts.

Where do we get all the extra referees from?

I'm sure the PL has enough money to fund four people watching a game of football.

But in case things are tight then here's a suggestion: scrap full time referees and go back to employing school masters and ex-army officers etc.

[Rowls]

And far better, "That might have been a penalty but X player was clearly making a meal of it so no penalty. Play on."

That's my instinctive temptation too but players would soon stop exaggerating if fouls were given quickly and correctly, which they would be if such a system were employed.

[Rowls]

Where do we get all the extra referees from?

For clarity, as the VAR panel are sitting in a sealed off room, they can make decisions on a number of matches. Maybe even covering a number of leagues?

They're only waiting for a referral. Referrals are only going to take a couple of minutes max. They can probably get done in 20-30.seconds.

They could even work from home these days, we'd just need to ensure they were observing the dictum of not watching the match live.

[quoonbeatz]

We don’t need any of that ********.

All we need is a ref and 2 liners on the pitch making honest decisions, good or bad. Add goal line technology and we’re done.

Put the trust in the officials to make decisions and they’ll become better for it. Var has killed the game.

[Rowls]

I'd certainly prefer that to the current system. But it's a sensible proposal.

People only hate VAR because it's been implemented atrociously but it doesn't have to be that way. It can be so much better.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

They should have used VAR on the person responsible for not turning off the floodlights switch. Clearly offside.

[dougcollins]

We don’t need any of that ********.

All we need is a ref and 2 liners on the pitch making honest decisions, good or bad. Add goal line technology and we’re done.

Put the trust in the officials to make decisions and they’ll become better for it. Var has killed the game.

Couldn't agree more.

Brilliant in the Championship.