Access for home fans

[boyyanno]

I was speaking to a few in the pub before the game who said exactly the same thing. The general perception of football messageboards is that they provide a minority with a platform to moan and a lot of fans avoid them as a result. I think it’s the same with anything though these days. Music, other live events etc. Comments posted on messageboards, social media etc can give a totally false representation of the reality.

At someone has said above, you absolutely can tell some posters (notable by their absence) were very disappointed at how smoothly things went yesterday.

There's a lot of irony in saying that a messagboard of Burnley fans is any less representative of a fan base than the few people you speak too in the pub or are in your demographic of family and friends.

I generally find that the extreme views on either side shout the loudest- the same with most social media platforms (but it doesn't mean that there aren't sensible folk with balanced opinions too).

[Rileybobs]

That picture is an accident waiting to happen.

It’s really not that bad. Hardly noticed a difference from how it was last season. People move at a sensible pace and it doesn’t feel unsafe.

[Enola Gay]

In as much as I noticed a difference getting out of the JML on Saturday as opposed to last season, it's that the denser crowd you always get at the pinch point by the club shop now starts a fair bit earlier.

That's all it is though; a bit busier by the exit I normally use.

[jos]

Let's say it's 1-1 on Saturday, an afternoon kick off, a close finish so not many leave early. 5 minutes later you've got around 14,000 people leaving via this. It will probably all be fine, it'll certainly take a while though.


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Interesting pic from page 1, you’d have to find somewhere else for the cars to park if you need open the other half of the gate.

[clarets1978]

Interesting pic from page 1, you’d have to find somewhere else for the cars to park if you need open the other half of the gate.

those cars couldn't be (and aren't) parked there on a match day. They are right in front of the lower tier turnstiles

[jos]

those cars couldn't be (and aren't) parked there on a match day. They are right in front of the lower tier turnstiles

Ah, ok thanks for the clarification.

[Row x]

Never had a problem at OT. I was talking about that particular picture specifically and not any other ground.

Neither have I, but you could take 10 similar photos to the one you're concerned about, all round the ground.
Just shows it happens at almost every ground, without incident

[alwaysaclaret]

Neither have I, but you could take 10 similar photos to the one you're concerned about, all round the ground.
Just shows it happens at almost every ground, without incident

Just for example Hillsborough it was an accident /incident waiting to happen, and happened, I had concerns about it v Newcastle in the semi final, when we my feet hardly touched the ground for 75 minutes after they let geordies in our end. Some might not have envisaged it then, but here we are.
And on a side note, whose stupid idea was it to park the Sunderland buses right in the middle after the game.

[Culmclaret]

The inconvenience for me is neither here nor there…or at worst a first world problem. I left in time added on and had an extra 200 yards to jog, before setting out on my long journey home. My safety concerns remain, however, as I think funnelling 14,000 people through a six/seven yard gap is asking for trouble.

[Barlickclaret]

Just for example Hillsborough it was an accident /incident waiting to happen, and happened, I had concerns about it v Newcastle in the semi final, when we my feet hardly touched the ground for 75 minutes after they let geordies in our end. Some might not have envisaged it then, but here we are.
And on a side note, whose stupid idea was it to park the Sunderland buses right in the middle after the game.

If you've been worried since 1974 I'm surprised you still go, and geordies were in there because we didn't sell our allocation

[Row x]

Just for example Hillsborough it was an accident /incident waiting to happen, and happened, I had concerns about it v Newcastle in the semi final, when we my feet hardly touched the ground for 75 minutes after they let geordies in our end. Some might not have envisaged it then, but here we are.
And on a side note, whose stupid idea was it to park the Sunderland buses right in the middle after the game.

Completely different circumstances, and Completely absurd to bring that up to try and prove a point.

[claret wizard]

The biggest potential crowd crush incident at Turf Moor has been removed. The CFS concourse was crazy at times last season.

As mentioned the crowd behind the JM yesterday looks busy, but we’ll see that numerous times at grounds this year. The staircase from Leaze’s terrace back towards the town, the tunnel exits from Old Trafford, the bottle necks around Brentford entrance being three I can think off the top of my head.

3 more, the Trent side exit from Forest, the Riverside from Fulham and the exit from Everton onto the dock front looks small.

[Duffer_]

The biggest potential crowd crush incident at Turf Moor has been removed. The CFS concourse was crazy at times last season.

As mentioned the crowd behind the JM yesterday looks busy, but we’ll see that numerous times at grounds this year. The staircase from Leaze’s terrace back towards the town, the tunnel exits from Old Trafford, the bottle necks around Brentford entrance being three I can think off the top of my head.

3 more, the Trent side exit from Forest, the Riverside from Fulham and the exit from Everton onto the dock front looks small.

The improvement in the CFS concourse for home fans is very welcome. But has anything changed, other than the "potential crowd crush" risk in the CFS being away fans rather than home fans?

[claret wizard]

Yes, they have 2 staircases. We only had one.

Now we only have one, but the location of toilets and concessions have been thought out well. Now we don’t have queues to purchase beer right at the bottom of the only access to and from the stand. To purchase beer you have to go into the “fanzone/carpark”. So you have to leave the concourse crush area to get a beer.

[Duffer_]

Yes, they have 2 staircases. We only had one.

Now we only have one, but the location of toilets and concessions have been thought out well. Now we don’t have queues to purchase beer right at the bottom of the only access to and from the stand. To purchase beer you have to go into the “fanzone/carpark”. So you have to leave the concourse crush area to get a beer.

Thank you. Was a genuine question as I'm in JHU. Good to hear.

[ClaretTony]

Come 200 miles to be refused entry with my digital card for CFS - absolute sh!t show. Been sent to ticket office with everyone else refused entry.

I notice Alan isn’t doing any walkabouts today.

The chap who I tried to reason with at the turnstile had to get security to escort me away because I was angry.

My 5-year-old great niece was in the same boat, her supposed digital card not allowing her entry. Not sure how that got resolved. But I went into the club shop to buy some programmes and tried to use my digital card to get the points. "They don't work," the lad behind the counter told me and suggested I didn't try using it at the turnstiles.

Alan was too busy welcoming the players to his new super players' entrance apparently. I'm told he was getting some abuse too because of the new arrangement but I suspect it won't bother him.

[ClaretTony]

Just for example Hillsborough it was an accident /incident waiting to happen, and happened, I had concerns about it v Newcastle in the semi final, when we my feet hardly touched the ground for 75 minutes after they let geordies in our end. Some might not have envisaged it then, but here we are.
And on a side note, whose stupid idea was it to park the Sunderland buses right in the middle after the game.

Geordies in our end at Hillsborough? Wasn't it us getting some tickets in the Kop that day? Very much an accident waiting to happen and that was before the fences went up.

The question of the two Sunderland buses is a good one. Absolutely ridiculous for them to be there. It's a long time since I left our ground in such a crowd like that too.

[Claretprinter]

Just checking, is anyone still making their way out the ground?

[summitclaret]

Just checking, is anyone still making their way out the ground?

Still in the JHU. Thought I'd wait here until Tuesday night. It'll be a lot easier to gate through them there narrow gates with only 7000 on.

[mybloodisclaret]

Well from my super shiny new seat in the CFS I can't see the goal at our end, had a very good view of it last year and in the 10 or so years before.

Fortunately there were no goals scored at our end on Saturday, so if they can maintain that it will be fantastic.
Clearly this is a disadvantage / downside.

Also the people who were sat around us aren't now, which is a shame as they were all nice.

QR code worked to allow entrance, which was a positive and a surprise. Screens not working in the concourse was another disappointment.

Could do with sorting a queuing system out for the bar in the tent, will likely lead to a bit of friction as it was a free for all on Saturday.

Would really like to know how many season ticket holders there are in the CFS??? I don't know of anyone who has given theirs up, although obviously I don't know every season ticket holder. Just trying understand how approximately the same number of fans perhaps with a range of a 100 can fit into a smaller area.

[Dassey]

One small gripe , why can't they shovel up the horse **** before the crowds come out. If it was dog **** people would get fined for leaving it. There's plenty of staff about that could have shovelled it up.

[Spijed]

Walking down Harry Potts way before/after the game is now far better without the away coaches.

[alwaysaclaret]

If you've been worried since 1974 I'm surprised you still go, and geordies were in there because we didn't sell our allocation

Where the heck did I mention being worried since 1974, and the reason geordies were in there is totally irrelevant. I was simply using as an example as my post says, in context with a similar potential situation on Saturday, although agreed on a lesser scale.

[alwaysaclaret]

Walking down Harry Potts way before/after the game is now far better without the away coaches.

I agree, but somebody had a bright idea to put the Sunderland team coaches in the middle of the road out at the back of the JMS, it's not as if they'd be leaving before at least 6pm is it, warm down, bath/shower, refreshments etc. Finger's crossed this will surely be rectified before the next game, as if its not bad enough to have them parked along the back there on the way in

[dougcollins]

Walking down Harry Potts way before/after the game is now far better without the away coaches.

I wouldn't know, I didn't have to walk down Harry Potts Way until Saturday.

[nil_desperandum]

Walking down Harry Potts way before/after the game is now far better without the away coaches.

Walking down Harry Potts way was never an issue for us previously, and I walk slowly with someone who is disabled.

[alwaysaclaret]

Geordies in our end at Hillsborough? Wasn't it us getting some tickets in the Kop that day? Very much an accident waiting to happen and that was before the fences went up.

The question of the two Sunderland buses is a good one. Absolutely ridiculous for them to be there. It's a long time since I left our ground in such a crowd like that too.

Yes, was opposing fan's in both ends, and as you say CT before the fences went up, not surprising that the crush and subsequent disaster happened eventually. And I've just posted further down, finger's crossed the coach thing is sorted next game.

[alwaysaclaret]

Completely different circumstances, and Completely absurd to bring that up to try and prove a point.

Really !!

[Row x]

Really !!

Yes really. Using a disaster where 90 odd people died, in completely different circumstances as an arguing point is crass in my opinion.
From what I saw on Saturday the main threat to something happening is the amount of people coming from the stands in question, more interested in their phones than the people around them, and where they were walking, or indeed walking into people.

[taio]

Yes, the root cause of any overcrowding risk is people using their phone!

[Barlickclaret]

Yes, the root cause of any overcrowding risk is people using their phone!

Think we need to have a phone bank, so everybody leaves there phones prior entering the stadium, then picks them up at arranged intervals the following day.

[dougcollins]

Think we need to have a phone bank, so everybody leaves there phones prior entering the stadium, then picks them up at arranged intervals the following day.

They're pretty useless inside the stadium in any case.

[Row x]

Yes, the root cause of any overcrowding risk is people using their phone!

No, but not looking where they're going, tripping up, falling over then people falling over them might be, but in your rush to try and be funny you didn't think of that

[taio]

No, but not looking where they're going, tripping up, falling over then people falling over them might be, but in your rush to try and be funny you didn't think of that

I wasn't trying to be funny. The root cause of any overcrowding wouldn't be people using their mobile would it.

[Row x]

I wasn't trying to be funny. The root cause of any overcrowding wouldn't be people using their mobile would it.

I never mentioned over crowding...all I said was that was the only problem I saw

[taio]

I never mentioned over crowding...all I said was that was the only problem I saw

It was much busier than normal. Don't think there will be a problem but I can't imagine people will fall like dominoes because of mobile phone use. If there are any problems it is much more likely it would be due to a lack of space because of the redirection of supporters.

[ollieclarets8]

Alan wasn't looking at all comfortable today.....even when we were winning.
Something's up.

He was probably thinking, "Spot the brain cell" when the fiasco with the lights started.

[dougcollins]

He was probably thinking, "Spot the brain cell" when the fiasco with the lights started.

You always knew that evening light show sequencing would come back to bite us.

Too much showing off.

[Vegas Claret]

Ings and Redmond training with Sheff Utd

[Clowbridge89]

Awkward..

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNd4JWpTK/

[BillyHamilton9]

Awkward..

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNd4JWpTK/

Showing his true colours here. He doesn't give a s***

[Enola Gay]

Awkward..

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNd4JWpTK/

Cant watch the video as I don’t have TikTok but if it’s the ‘absolute crap is this’ video I’ve seen elsewhere it’s only really awkward for the whingearse complaining about having to walk an extra minute or so to his seat.

[Clowbridge89]

Cant watch the video as I don’t have TikTok but if it’s the ‘absolute crap is this’ video I’ve seen elsewhere it’s only really awkward for the whingearse complaining about having to walk an extra minute or so to his seat.

Both parties really fluffed their chance to have a reasonable discussion about the topic, absolutely

[GetIntoEm]

The bloke looked completely able bodied, just lazy and wants to whine.

[ClaretPete001]

Surely, it is incredibly lacking in self awareness to come on here and moan about other fans moaning.

It's a football forum I would honestly say about the best that I've come across. It's not ruined by adverts or by literally hundreds of snarky comments or really excessive foul language.

The wider fanbase are cock a hoop when we are winning and blubbing like babies when not they are hardly representative of a group of people on an even keel. That's football, no one wants to spend their days in the glossy pages of a corporate brochure and then do the same on a football forum.

[GetIntoEm]

Surely, it is incredibly lacking in self awareness to come on here and moan about other fans moaning.

It's a football forum I would honestly say about the best that I've come across. It's not ruined by adverts or by literally hundreds of snarky comments or really excessive foul language.

The wider fanbase are cock a hoop when we are winning and blubbing like babies when not they are hardly representative of a group of people on an even keel. That's football, no one wants to spend their days in the glossy pages of a corporate brochure and then do the same on a football forum.

I think what naffs people off is the whining before they've even experienced something. As shows with this thread, there were absolutely no problems at the game. People claiming people are going to die etc is massively over the top.

I understand there'll be an odd person it affects if they are struggling to walk or something, but you can not tailor large changes like this to absolutely every individual.

People saying they should be consulted etc. how would they work? 21000 people having a different opinion/need. Can never work therefore there's no point asking people as it only creates further negatively

[ClaretPete001]

I think what naffs people off is the whining before they've even experienced something. As shows with this thread, there were absolutely no problems at the game. People claiming people are going to die etc is massively over the top.

I understand there'll be an odd person it affects if they are struggling to walk or something, but you can not tailor large changes like this to absolutely every individual.

People saying they should be consulted etc. how would they work? 21000 people having a different opinion/need. Can never work therefore there's no point asking people as it only creates further negatively

Fair enough, but I think there is genuine bemusement at the reasons given and the fact that people had been sold tickets before being told of the changes.

The reasons given by the club was: 'The developments, including the new player arrival experience, aim to build stronger links between fans and players and help create an impactful atmosphere as Premier League football returns to Turf Moor.'

I don't sit in the CFS but I think any reasonable person would feel a little aggrieved at being treated like that....! And it would be interesting to hear from those who got moved.

I get that football forums err on the negative sometimes but I think well constructed posts outlining the positive nature of the changes works a lot better than moaning about people who are perceived to be moaning.

[Row x]

The bloke looked completely able bodied, just lazy and wants to whine.

I assume that the video was done before the game, so from which direction has the guy come from?

[claret wizard]

Fanzone to CFS maybe?

[ChorltonCharlie]

I think what naffs people off is the whining before they've even experienced something. As shows with this thread, there were absolutely no problems at the game. People claiming people are going to die etc is massively over the top.

I understand there'll be an odd person it affects if they are struggling to walk or something, but you can not tailor large changes like this to absolutely every individual.

People saying they should be consulted etc. how would they work? 21000 people having a different opinion/need. Can never work therefore there's no point asking people as it only creates further negatively

Hardly anyone said that. What most people did say was the congestion will be far worse, which it was. The ground was getting on for half empty by the time the referee blew the full time whistle. After a huge win our players appreciations to the crowd/vice versa were to sparsely populated stands. All in the name of improving the match experience. The club should have been looking into why we have a big problem with early leavers, not making decisions that just encourage it.

I saw someone talking to the police after the game, behind the huge crowds waiting to go to through a narrow pinch point. They were in agreement that the changes made no sense.