Burnley CC fan park

[Inchy]

I'm not sure what I can and cannot say to prove this but, for what it's worth, take my word as a lifelong member of BCC and active volunteer down there: It is 100% nonsense.

Fair enough.

You reckon the CC would be willing to let the FC extend the CFS back a few meters? The dead space between the boundary and the stand wall?

Reckon the CC would play some home games elsewhere whilst redevelopment took place?

Would make redevelopment much easier for the FC. If the CC would be willing it Makes it more shocking the FC has done nothing to the CFS

[Inchy]

99% may not be supporters of the cricket club, but I would imagine somewhere near 99% of Burnley fans have no desire to try and in effect punish the cricket club

How does the club in effect punish the CC by wanting to attract fans to their bars?

The FC should be actively trying to attract any fan that drinks at its next door neighbour to its bars.

If the stupid CFS and exit changes have been done to knee cap the CC then that would be daft. I honestly don’t think Alan is that bright. He just wants to have American college football style player walk in. Crack pot

[thingandwhere]

Fair enough.

You reckon the CC would be willing to let the FC extend the CFS back a few meters? The dead space between the boundary and the stand wall?

Reckon the CC would play some home games elsewhere whilst redevelopment took place?

Would make redevelopment much easier for the FC. If the CC would be willing it Makes it more shocking the FC has done nothing to the CFS

Before you even consider specifics like the fact that there isn't dead space between the boundary and stand wall (training nets, covers storage, seating area, player car parking), Burnley FC would have to have presented actual plans that work for both sides.

Whenever BFC have actually properly explored this - many, many years ago now - of course BCC worked with them. This is a fact.

So, yeah, it is shocking, actually, how BFC are behaving.

It's almost like that's been my point all along.

[Inchy]

Before you even consider specifics like the fact that there isn't dead space between the boundary and stand wall (training nets, covers storage, seating area, player car parking), Burnley FC would have to have presented actual plans that work for both sides.

Whenever BFC have actually properly explored this - many, many years ago now - of course BCC worked with them. This is a fact.

So, yeah, it is shocking, actually, how BFC are behaving.

It's almost like that's been my point all along.

Those things could be moved elsewhere surely. It’s not a complete enclosed pitch.

If the FC presented plans that did work for both sides you reckon the members would be likely to vote for it?

It’s not hard to imagine that the FC would have to bend over backwards for some members who don’t have any interest in football, even though they earn a lot of money off the back of the FCs attendance.

You say it’s shocking how the club are behaving. How so?

[thingandwhere]

Those things could be moved elsewhere surely. It’s not a complete enclosed pitch.

If the FC presented plans that did work for both sides you reckon the members would be likely to vote for it?

It’s not hard to imagine that the FC would have to bend over backwards for some members who don’t have any interest in football, even though they earn a lot of money off the back of the FCs attendance.

Going off previous evidence, yes.

The last time I know for fact that it got that far, I was still a kid (I'm now nearly 37) so couldn't have any say but it went through at the BCC end and proper plans were drawn up for a relocation of BCC. There was a leaflet made about the pros and cons for members.

And, as a side note, football match day income isn't anywhere near what people seem to think it is. It's not the sole lifeblood of BCC.

Anyway, main point being: BCC are not the bad guys here. BCC isn't blocking any progress for BFC.

[Caballo]

That's a mad take from an otherwise normally rational poster, are you ok Inchy?

[boyyanno]

That's a mad take from an otherwise normally rational poster, are you ok Inchy?

I actually thought the same thing.

[alwaysaclaret]

My mate is pleased about the switch. He’s a Sunderland fan who is now in a wheelchair so he won’t have as far to go to get to the turnstiles from the cricket club.

As for the bottleneck, I’ll be in that come Saturday instead of going up Ormerod Yard. These changes are definitely not going to enhance my experience.

Only fan experience their enhancing is the away fan's as far as I can see. But certainly not the home fan's.

[Inchy]

That's a mad take from an otherwise normally rational poster, are you ok Inchy?

I’ve been posting on here and the old site for 20 years. I’ve posted my fair share of sh*te make no mistake

[CPCC]

Honestly these muppets should just have a straightener

[deanothedino]

Why on earth should the FC not use its clout to force collaboration if the CC won’t give an inch? It’s hearsay but it’s well known hearsay.

Also the FC don’t owe the CC anything. The CC have done extremely well out of being neighbours.

I’d much rather BFC fans gave their money to the FC than the CC. The FC should try to maximise profits. They should actively be trying to entice fans that drink at the CC to the FC

Maybe the football club could have sensible beer prices then?

[Inchy]

If they were serious about taking the CC custom away they would.


I admit though I’ve had a think and I’m wrong with what I’m saying.
I was under the impression, due to hearsay that appears to be rubbish, that the cricket club have always been a bit of a thorn in the side of the club in terms of redevelopment. Clearly this isn’t the case.

I’m not a fan of the CC as I don’t follow cricket and I rarely go there before a match, however I do visit other local pubs, like the miners. If the miners went to the wall, or even struggled due to the FC taking their business away it would be a massive shame.
So I’ve changed my mind, thanks to the information and alternative views presented on here, and admit I was wrong and talking crap

I’d much prefer what is a very small percent of the FC income goes to other local pubs, clubs, and eateries, if that means helping them keep going and keeping the area lively

[Walt]

Maybe the football club could have sensible beer prices then?

It would be interesting to see what happened to the takings if they did knock say £1.50 off the price of a pint. Maybe they'd make up the reduction with footfall.

Rather than appear so blinkered towards profits, perhaps making decisions like this would get fans more on board. I think fans feeling good/positive towards the ownership are more likely to spend on merchandise and food too.

One thing is for sure in my mind, if the aim is to entice fans away from the CC then prices as they are aren't going to do it.

[deanothedino]

If they were serious about taking the CC custom away they would.


I admit though I’ve had a think and I’m wrong with what I’m saying.
I was under the impression, due to hearsay that appears to be rubbish, that the cricket club have always been a bit of a thorn in the side of the club in terms of redevelopment. Clearly this isn’t the case.

I’m not a fan of the CC as I don’t follow cricket and I rarely go there before a match, however I do visit other local pubs, like the miners. If the miners went to the wall, or even struggled due to the FC taking their business away it would be a massive shame.
So I’ve changed my mind, thanks to the information and alternative views presented on here, and admit I was wrong and talking crap

I’d much prefer what is a very small percent of the FC income goes to other local pubs, clubs, and eateries, if that means helping them keep going and keeping the area lively

Fair play for sticking your hands up and saying you got it wrong.

The local area needs the business the football club brings and if they club took it all then Yorkshire Street would be a very sorry sight.

[wilks_bfc]

Putting aside the fact that I imagine there is a very big crossover of BCC members being BFC supporters, so it's not one or the other, if the FC genuinely wants to draw the crowds in, then matching or beating the prices of local establishments is the only way they are going to manage it.

This is it

I went on with my Sunderland mate yesterday and met in town beforehand

We each got a round in the New Brewm for less than the price it would cost for one drink at the ground, before going to the Vintage Claret where I got another round for us

The fact he “equalled it up” by buying me a bottle of Fanta and a bag of crisps at half time says it all

[thingandwhere]

If they were serious about taking the CC custom away they would.


I admit though I’ve had a think and I’m wrong with what I’m saying.
I was under the impression, due to hearsay that appears to be rubbish, that the cricket club have always been a bit of a thorn in the side of the club in terms of redevelopment. Clearly this isn’t the case.

I’m not a fan of the CC as I don’t follow cricket and I rarely go there before a match, however I do visit other local pubs, like the miners. If the miners went to the wall, or even struggled due to the FC taking their business away it would be a massive shame.
So I’ve changed my mind, thanks to the information and alternative views presented on here, and admit I was wrong and talking crap

I’d much prefer what is a very small percent of the FC income goes to other local pubs, clubs, and eateries, if that means helping them keep going and keeping the area lively

Very well said.

[thingandwhere]

Quick personal one from me to those who haven’t sampled BCC before but did so yesterday;

BFC certainly didn’t make it easy for those of us wanting to get to BCC - so thanks a lot. And no I’m not talking about having to exit behind the Jimmy Mac, that was totally fine in my experience.

[AlargeClaret]

How was BCC yesterday compared to a typical prem game ? I’d imagine they got a lot of Mackems as now the coaches are almost shoehorned into the ground via the CC / bar . I can only see BCC benefiting from almost exclusive away fan custom along with the usual home fans ( albeit reduced )

[thingandwhere]

How was BCC yesterday compared to a typical prem game ? I’d imagine they got a lot of Mackems as now the coaches are almost shoehorned into the ground via the CC / bar . I can only see BCC benefiting from almost exclusive away fan custom along with the usual home fans ( albeit reduced )

No more extra away fans than what’s typical to be honest.

We’re open for home fans tomorrow from 5pm - in case anyone needs reminding given police and stewards were (falsely!) advising we are an away only pub on Saturday.

Pints from £4, Haffners pies inside and smash burgers outside. Ice cream van too.

[Vince Fontaine]

What time do they close the road at the fire station?
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[thingandwhere]

What time do they close the road at the fire station?
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Despite the barriers, it’s not actually closed. You just need to ask to drive down it for some reason.

[Vince Fontaine]

Despite the barriers, it’s not actually closed. You just need to ask to drive down it for some reason.

Cheers
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[agreenwood]

Wonder if the “road closure” put people off parking in the Tennis club etc?

Not just the cricket club at risk of losing a vital income.

[dougcollins]

It appeared that any driver that mentioned 'Cricket Club' was allowed through without question.

[Elizabeth]

It appeared that any driver that mentioned 'Cricket Club' was allowed through without question.

Did the away fans come in that way ?

[dougcollins]

Did the away fans come in that way ?

I don't know if you're being serious, but yes, the visiting coaches came via the barrier outside the fire station.

[Elizabeth]

I didn't know that, I was being light hearted

[jrgbfc]

No more extra away fans than what’s typical to be honest.

We’re open for home fans tomorrow from 5pm - in case anyone needs reminding given police and stewards were (falsely!) advising we are an away only pub on Saturday.

Pints from £4, Haffners pies inside and smash burgers outside. Ice cream van too.

You'd like to think a bit of common sense will be shown. Games like tomorrow, or when we play the likes of Fulham or Bournemouth no need to make Burnley fans walk the long way round.

[Ilkley claret]

Wonder if the “road closure” put people off parking in the Tennis club etc?

Not just the cricket club at risk of losing a vital income.

Not me I just drove round the road closure sign on the other side of the traffic lights!

A lot of people in front of me at the lights were turning left or right because of the road closed sign for sure.

There was nothing on the sign to indicate “access as usual for CC or Tennis Club.

Apparently if you just drove up and asked they let you through but it could certainly have been made clearer.

I also witnessed stewards letting Home fans through Ommerod Yard entrance

[dougcollins]

I also witnessed stewards letting Home fans through Ommerod Yard entrance

And we were told that absolutely wouldn't happen.

[Somethingfishy]

If the club created a decent home fans zone and a separate away fans zone then there would be no need to go to the CC. The FC is the CC cash cow. If the FC severe that then I’m sure the CC would be more willing to collaborate with the FC going forward if development included a new club house, shared fans zone etc.

At the moment the CC has no need to collaborate with the club, but if done smartly the club could really harm the CCs finance.

The FC should do it

That's a very disturbing point of view and I'm a Lowerhouse supporter. Wow.

[Elizabeth]

That's a very disturbing point of view and I'm a Lowerhouse supporter. Wow.

As the poster has considerably softened his views I can't see any point in bringing it up again. Maybe you think there is

[thingandwhere]

Wonder if the “road closure” put people off parking in the Tennis club etc?

Not just the cricket club at risk of losing a vital income.

100% correct. Every single pub and club is affected.

[BleedingClaret]

99% may not be supporters of the cricket club, but I would imagine somewhere near 99% of Burnley fans have no desire to try and in effect punish the cricket club

Do you think it would be possible to build a stadium on the shared footprint that is used by both clubs
I’m aware of the wider width of a cricket pitch but also that it has BFC car park to one side and pavilion's and carpark and ormerod yard to the other
Even with a close able roof, getting carried away now

[Inchy]

That's a very disturbing point of view and I'm a Lowerhouse supporter. Wow.

You have probably seen this and not read on but please read on. Ive hold my hands up. I don’t mind admitting if I’m wrong

[Somethingfishy]

You have probably seen this and not read on but please read on. Ive hold my hands up. I don’t mind admitting if I’m wrong

Fair play. I hadn't read on.

There are a lot of theories of why AP has done all this and with the CC looking to have been adversely affected it's brought into play rumours and what amount to conspiracy theories.
Having now read the thread I'm still not convinced by the claim that the financial gain by the CC of it's car park and beer sales on matchdays isn't important. I agree it won't be their only income but it would make a major difference to their accounts if it wasn't there.

[dandeclaret]

Why on earth should the FC not use its clout to force collaboration if the CC won’t give an inch? It’s hearsay but it’s well known hearsay.

Also the FC don’t owe the CC anything. The CC have done extremely well out of being neighbours.

I’d much rather BFC fans gave their money to the FC than the CC. The FC should try to maximise profits. They should actively be trying to entice fans that drink at the CC to the FC

Never had you down as the pure capitalist type……

[thingandwhere]

Fair play. I hadn't read on.

There are a lot of theories of why AP has done all this and with the CC looking to have been adversely affected it's brought into play rumours and what amount to conspiracy theories.
Having now read the thread I'm still not convinced by the claim that the financial gain by the CC of it's car park and beer sales on matchdays isn't important. I agree it won't be their only income but it would make a major difference to their accounts if it wasn't there.

It’s not that it’s not important, it’s certainly not tiny. But it’s also not big enough so it’s what makes or breaks the club on its own, like some people would have you believe. It’s replaceable by other means.

What’s important is members and regulars being able to access their club and come together as they wish.

And the cricket club actually knowing where it stands so we can plan accordingly in advance of games.

[GetIntoEm]

One of the reasons we stopped going on match days was the slow service inside, and then the hatch bar outside only taking cash and not card.

Has this been improved?

Will give it a go next time if so

[thingandwhere]

One of the reasons we stopped going on match days was the slow service inside, and then the hatch bar outside only taking cash and not card.

Has this been improved?

Will give it a go next time if so

Yep, remedied with;
- fully replaced top of the range beer lines from the cellar to all bars
- card payment on all bars including outside
- new till system which is faster and multi-user
- additional can-only bar to alleviate queuing pressure when needed
- plus, for the first time today, pre pay car parking for those who don’t carry cash normally

Hope you enjoy your visit and thanks for trying us if you do so

[GetIntoEm]

Yep, remedied with;
- fully replaced top of the range beer lines from the cellar to all bars
- card payment on all bars including outside
- new till system which is faster and multi-user
- additional can-only bar to alleviate queuing pressure when needed
- plus, for the first time today, pre pay car parking for those who don’t carry cash normally

Hope you enjoy your visit and thanks for trying us if you do so

Nice one sounds good. Will come in on the next home game.

[Bfc]

What doesn’t appear to have been considered, in the topic, has been Bfc relying on access onto the Bcc land to carry out CFS repairs, which they’ve had to do in the past. If Bcc refused them the right of entry, that would be playing hardball.
In regard to the building of a new CFS, I feel Bfc/ building contractors could not complete the building from within the football ground. Maybe the Fc want to buy a section of the cricket pitch, but their value of any land is not what the cc will accept.
Imagine the disruption of heavy machinery being driven onto the outer boundaries. That in itself would also disrupt the games of cricket. A lot of thought needs to be considered before any development takes place.

[thingandwhere]

What doesn’t appear to have been considered, in the topic, has been Bfc relying on access onto the Bcc land to carry out CFS repairs, which they’ve had to do in the past. If Bcc refused them the right of entry, that would be playing hardball.
In regard to the building of a new CFS, I feel Bfc/ building contractors could not complete the building from within the football ground. Maybe the Fc want to buy a section of the cricket pitch, but their value of any land is not what the cc will accept.
Imagine the disruption of heavy machinery being driven onto the outer boundaries. That in itself would also disrupt the games of cricket. A lot of thought needs to be considered before any development takes place.

The only hard ball the cricket club plays is in the middle during the summer, believe me