9/11

[BennyD]

It is a conspiracy as nothing at all of note happened on the 9th November.

[Goodclaret]

I have a theory. Some nutters hijacked some planes and flew them in to buildings which fell down.

On a serious note, the 9/11 museum is an absolute must. I thought it would be all, almost "glorified" by the Americans but it's done beautifully. Very emotional but pleased I visited.

[Imploding Turtle]

It is a conspiracy as nothing at all of note happened on the 9th November.

Stewart Lee agrees.

[bluelabrador16]

Maybe of interest:

9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money

"Forget for one moment everything you've been told about September 11, 2001. 9/11 was a crime. And as with any crime, there is one overriding imperative that detectives must follow to identify the perpetrators: follow the money. This is an investigation of the 9/11 money trail."

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-3 ... the-money/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(caveat emptor!)

"For some, 9/11 Trillions: Follow the Money will surely result in an incendiary viewing experience. But even for those who deny claims of conspiracy in regards to that tragic day, the film offers valuable insights which are rarely discussed on a national stage, but deserve to be."

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-tril ... low-money/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[claretdom]

Maybe of interest:

Buy shares in tin foil

[Paul Waine]

We were told the 3nd tower collapsed due to the heat, it later transpired that it had been detonated. How did they wire it up with explosives so quickly with two other buildings collapsing around them?

Was it pre-wired with explosives? and if so, why?

A good friend of mine was in the 3rd tower. He got out "safely" - though it was a terrible thing to be involved in.

[Wilsdenclaret]

Surprisingly little damage at the Pentagon

[dsr]

The Pentagon wasn't a skyscraper. Therefore it didn't suffer the damage caused by 100 floors of concrete falling straight down.

[Imploding Turtle]

Most of the building is underground.

[Wilsdenclaret]

would have expected more photographic evidence of plane wreckage though unless I've missed that bit

[Imploding Turtle]

would have expected more photographic evidence of plane wreckage though unless I've missed that bit

It went into a massive building.

[Vegas Claret]

[Paul Waine]

Most of the building is underground.

You "speak" as though you've been there, IT.

Don't most important government buildings have a lot more going on underground than above ground?

[Imploding Turtle]

You "speak" as though you've been there, IT.

Don't most important government buildings have a lot more going on underground than above ground?

Not the Pentagon apparently, cos I'm wrong. There are officially two underground floors and 5 above ground. But the building itself is ******* huge.

I've only been to the Pentagon once and that was to attend the annual 9/11 cover-up gala.

[Saxoman]

Maybe of interest:



https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-3 ... the-money/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(caveat emptor!)

Well we got there in the end!!

[bluelabrador16]

911 Pentagon CNN Reporter questions if a Plane hit the Pentagon only aired once

“There is NO Evidence of a Plane Having Crashed Anywhere Near the Pentagon”

Jamie Mcintyre, CNN’s senior Pentagon correspondent at the time, was at the Pentagon shortly after it was hit. Here’s what he reported: “From my close-up inspection, there is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon… The only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you could pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, a fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn’t happen immediately, it wasn’t until almost about forty-five minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.”

911 Pentagon CNN Reporter questions if a Plane hit the Pentagon only aired once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH7qbrKwhQA#t=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More info...

“I can prove that it was not an airplane” that hit the Pentagon

Major General Albert N. Stubblebine .... By Ross Pittman

“How easy is it for you to shift your belief system from ‘I totally believe in my government’ to ‘Oh My God! What’s going on?’  That’s exactly where I went in all of this.” – Albert N. Stubblebine III

"Albert N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.  In this compelling interview, Stubblemine reveals the following information (what he calls dots) about the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001....."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01 ... -pentagon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Albert N. Stubblebine III Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2XV3Edd2dc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9:05 “Conclusion: airplane did not make that hole.” 9:10” I went public at the time. I am the highest ranking officer, I believe, that has ever gone public… The official story was not true.”
9:25 “I was very careful to not say what it was because I couldn’t prove it. I was careful to say that it was not the airplane that did that, because I can prove that it was not the airplane.”
9:45 “In the hole, however, was a turbine that looked like a turbine from the missile… I can’t prove that, I don’t know. But there was something there that did not look like the engine from an airplane, but did look like a turbine from a missile.”

[geopancake]

"The mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work unless it is open".

However Bluelab, "don't waste your time with explanations, people only hear what they want to hear."

[Vegas Claret]

thing with the Pentagon that always makes me call bullshit is that how, on the building with the most CCTV in the entire world, was there no comprehensive video ? Bullshit

[Imploding Turtle]

thing with the Pentagon that always makes me call bullshit is that how, on the building with the most CCTV in the entire world, was there no comprehensive video ? Bullshit

There probably is, it's just not being released.

I see no reason to doubt that a plane hit the building since we can clearly see two planes hitting the WTC. I can't imagine a reason why any conspirators would have two passenger jets fly into the WTC but then use military ordinance for the Pentagon.

[dsr]

This whole idea that it wasn't a plane is just so stupid. Why have conspiracy theorists got such a total absence of common sense?

Here's the scenario, as the conspiracy theorists have it. The US Government wants to make it look like plane XYZ has flown into the Pentagon. They have two options for how to do this:

1. Fly plane XYZ into the Pentagon.

2. Fly a missile into the Pentagon while simultaneously disabling thousands of CCTV cameras and hoping that no-one notices the absence of wreckage while simultaneously disposing of the entire aircraft XYZ and all the passengers where no-one will ever find them.

Why wouldn't they choose option 1?

[PWBFC]

So, let's play along. It was all cooked up by The White House.

The question is: why did they do it? And how many people knew about it?

[Vintage Claret]

If it was a missile that hit the Pentagon rather than the Boeing 757 which scores of civilian eye witnesses described, how did it manage to take out 5 lamposts on the way to it's target?

[Flatline]

2.3 trillion dollars went missing the day before the attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bluelabrador16]

Imploding Turtle

"..There probably is, it's just not being released."

Doh!

"In the days after 9/11, while Ground Zero continued to smoulder, millions heard Dan Rather and various media outlets repeat vague and unconfirmed reports of arrests that took place that day. These rumors held that Middle Eastern men, presumably Arabs, were arrested in explosive-packed vans in various places around the city on September 11th, and that some had even been photographing and celebrating those events. What most do not realize is that those reports were not mere rumors, and we now have thousands of pages of FBI, CIA and DOJ reports documenting those arrests."

9/11 Suspects: The Dancing Israelis ...."to document the event"

https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspe ... -israelis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHm56O ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well worth watching!

Cui Bono!

[PWBFC]

2.3 trillion dollars went missing the day before the attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So wouldn't it have been better to organise the attack for 10 September and really bury the bad news?

Or, are you suggesting, that the attack was organised in less than 24 hours?

[bluelabrador16]

PWBFC

Watch the video!

Cui Bono!

[Vegas Claret]

they won't watch any videos, they already know all the answers which is why I no longer get involved with stuff like this

[Imploding Turtle]

2.3 trillion dollars went missing the day before the attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No it didn't. Stop believing such obvious bullshit. It was improperly tracked and it was eventually accounted for. Not only that but it was talked about in ******* January. 8 months earlier.

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-rumsf ... agon.t165/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Edit: The ******* stupidity and gullibility of people who will believe this crap is absolutely astounding. Seriously! The 2000 budget was $1.8 trillion. Do you really think that more than an entire ******* budget can just go missing one day? You have to be dense as **** to think that is even possible. Honest to **** you people make me reconsider my position on eugenics everytime you come out with this ****.

[Saxoman]

But.. It was just a joke..

[bob-the-scutter]

I couldn't find it either.

You need to open your eyes a little more! https://youtu.be/q6oC_QX3-G4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bob-the-scutter]

pretty conclusive to me

I see, so the towers fell over then?

The more you post the bigger fool you look!

[Imploding Turtle]

You need to open your eyes a little more! https://youtu.be/q6oC_QX3-G4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see. A plane hit that, did it?

[bob-the-scutter]

How many of those buildings had exterior load-bearing steel walls, coupled with large passenger jets hitting them directly and in a controlled fashion at over 500mph?

You see.........that`s one of the many many myths surrounding 9/11. The "500 mph" myth. Do at least a little research before citing what is complete ********!

Top speed for a 767 is 898 kph/558 mph at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.
The atmosphere at that altitude is a third the density of the atmosphere at the height of the towers. This would cause 3 times as much drag as at 30`000 ft so the top speed would be about a third less, or about 200 to 300 mph at best without any headwind.
now that, no matter how you try to dispute it is physics fact!
OK so what does all that matter seeing as the plane would probably do the same amount of damage anyway? It matters a lot when the conclusion of the 9/11 commission is that the planes were travelling at much higher speeds than is physically possible!


The Pentagon, the most secure building in the world with more security cameras than we can shake a stick at has no footage of a plane crashing into it?


The 3rd tower?.....It was called World Trade Centre 7. If you want aerial photos of it taken as the event happened I have them and i`ll post them up if you want. This building is perfectly intact, does not get hit by a plane and is very very shiny until it`s demolished into it`s own footprint.
Like this: https://youtu.be/Mamvq7LWqRU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After a visible shockwave ripples across the building notice how the penthouse is the start of a free-fall collapse. We are told that fire was the reason for the collapse of building 7 but to drop like that it would mean that every single vertical column failed simultaneously, (Like what they tell us about the twin towers) is that what you believe?

Their are families of the people killed on that day, pilots, engineers, scientists, demolition experts & lots of others who disbelieve the official account of what happened on that day.
What part of the so called official fairy story is actually believable? It`s not as if it`s the first time for this sort of thing. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to justify America joining WWII. Operation Northwoods anyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Like I said, I have lots of photo`s of WT7 but they are quite large and I don`t want to post them up and hog the bandwidth but if it`s OK with the mods I will.

[bob-the-scutter]

I see. A plane hit that, did it?

You said you could`nt find it. Didn`t look very hard did you?

[Imploding Turtle]

You see.........that`s one of the many many myths surrounding 9/11. The "500 mph" myth. Do at least a little research before citing what is complete ********!

Top speed for a 767 is 898 kph/558 mph at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.
The atmosphere at that altitude is a third the density of the atmosphere at the height of the towers. This would cause 3 times as much drag as at 30`000 ft so the top speed would be about a third less, or about 200 to 300 mph at best without any headwind.
now that, no matter how you try to dispute it is physics fact!
OK so what does all that matter seeing as the plane would probably do the same amount of damage anyway? It matters a lot when the conclusion of the 9/11 commission is that the planes were travelling at much higher speeds than is physically possible!

I'll believe radar data over your back-of-a-napkin science, thanks.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071219230 ... _UA175.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

All part of the conspiracy IT

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT!!!!

[Lord Beamish]

Just because an aircraft is not designed to stain its cruising speed at such a low altitude doesn't mean it can't. Attaining those speeds in the denser air of the lower atmosphere is not advisable as the structure of the wings and fuselage are not designed with tolerances to sustain that kind of stress.
My guess is that the Hijackers we're both not aware of these factors and didn't really care. They were, after all, on a Suicide Mission.
As IT has said, the speed of the second plane at least(not enough footage exists of the first impact to be sure) can be worked out by analysis of the multiple films; and that's before the even more conclusive radar evidence.

[Imploding Turtle]

All part of the conspiracy IT

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT!!!!

I wonder if those people talking about a 767s top speed as if it's a hard limit have ever went running and noticed they can run faster with a tail wind, or down hill.

It's like these people think that plane flying at full thrust at 31000 feet and then descending to about 2000 feet, still at full thrust, is never going to exceed the its top speed. Because, you know, gravity is just a theory.

[bob-the-scutter]

Radar data, really

OK...........try this.

It was a completely surprise attack which came totally out of the blue, no one knew about their plans, the most diligent and "Thumb in everyone`s pie" security services on the planet had no idea, they were caught cold.
And yet, on September 14th, just 3 days later they had the names of all 19 hijackers.

All you need to do is a little digging around, take off those blinkers and it all becomes very different!

When you have a 3rd skyscraper (WT7) without even a broken window, collapsing perfectly into it`s own footprint you have to start thinking!

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NOPE, it too was not hit by a plane just like the one in Rio...........you can`t have it both ways!
The fires in the twin towers burned so hot they softened the steel?.........so why do we see video footage of hundreds of people waving shirts and and things out of the windows of the crash site?......THEY cant have it both ways either!

[bob-the-scutter]

All part of the conspiracy IT

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT!!!!

Because he doesn`t have the intelligence to realise you or I or my dog could have written that PDF file!

[Rileybobs]

In that photo it looks like the top portion of that skyscraper is externally fully intact. Shame we can't see it's internal condition or any of the bottom half of the building.

[Dyched]

Conspiracy Theorists scare the crap out of me.

[Rileybobs]

Conspiracy Theorists scare the crap out of me.

They're a salespersons dream. Imagine being so gullible.

[dsr]

When you have a 3rd skyscraper (WT7) without even a broken window, collapsing perfectly into it`s own footprint you have to start thinking!

So why don't you?

If the US government wanted to make it look like two towers were destroyed by two planes, why did they destroy three towers?

[Bacchus]

The problem with conspiracy theories (aside from ignoring all the evidence & science and stuff) is that they rely on nobody breaking cover. So let's imagine, just for a second, how many people would have had to be in on a conspiracy to crash two planes into the World Trade Centre, demolishing the two towers that they hit, then blow another tower up just for the hell of it before demolishing half of the Pentagon for no good reason and 'disappearing' another plane that they claim hit it. Then let's consider the likelihood that not a single one of the people involved decided to sell their story or become so wracked with guilt that they produce some actual evidence of the whole plot. That's before even questioning why any of that would be done or how a quarter wit like George Bush could have had any part in conceiving or enacting such a plan.

Still, please carry on. It's entertaining.

[dsr]

The problem with conspiracy theories (aside from ignoring all the evidence & science and stuff) is that they rely on nobody breaking cover. So let's imagine, just for a second, how many people would have had to be in on a conspiracy to crash two planes into the World Trade Centre, demolishing the two towers that they hit, then blow another tower up just for the hell of it before demolishing half of the Pentagon for no good reason and 'disappearing' another plane that they claim hit it. Then let's consider the likelihood that not a single one of the people involved decided to sell their story or become so wracked with guilt that they produce some actual evidence of the whole plot. That's before even questioning why any of that would be done or how a quarter wit like George Bush could have had any part in conceiving or enacting such a plan.

Still, please carry on. It's entertaining.

Exactly - it's not like the White House is any good at keeping secrets. What about the Lewinsky affair - they didn't manage to keep that very quiet, and that conspiracy involved only two people. And one of them was the President!

[keith1879]

The problem with conspiracy theories (aside from ignoring all the evidence & science and stuff) is that they rely on nobody breaking cover. So let's imagine, just for a second, how many people would have had to be in on a conspiracy to crash two planes into the World Trade Centre, demolishing the two towers that they hit, then blow another tower up just for the hell of it before demolishing half of the Pentagon for no good reason and 'disappearing' another plane that they claim hit it. Then let's consider the likelihood that not a single one of the people involved decided to sell their story or become so wracked with guilt that they produce some actual evidence of the whole plot. That's before even questioning why any of that would be done or how a quarter wit like George Bush could have had any part in conceiving or enacting such a plan.

Still, please carry on. It's entertaining.

Excellent - always the killer argument against these theories.

[bluelabrador16]

A bit of music for the deniers..

Tom Petty's FREE FALLIN' starring BUILDING 7

".. According to the official account of 9/11, Building 7 collapsed due to normal office fires ignited by falling debris from WTC 1 (structural damage and diesel fuel fires did not contribute to the collapse, according to the government). However, scientific and circumstantial evidence strongly contradicts that explanation...

...The fact that Building 7 instantaneously entered free fall - the acceleration of gravity - for a period of 2.25 seconds over a distance of eight stories is very strong evidence of controlled demolition. Free fall can only be achieved when there is no resistance provided by the structure below. A free-fall drop of eight stories indicates that all 81 columns in Building 7 were simultaneously severed over eight stories. Only explosives can account for this kind of structural failure. Indeed, fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise, let alone in the manner of a classic controlled demolition....

...In reality, the warnings of Building 7’s imminent demise must have originated from someone who knew that Building 7 was going to be brought down in a controlled demolition. Beyond that, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which represents over 2,400 architectural and engineering professionals, does not speculate on who brought down Building 7 or why. Instead, we are dedicated to educating the public about the destruction of all three World Trade Center buildings with the expectation that others with the responsibility and authority to conduct a proper investigation will do so......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-27FGbpBk4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Controlled demolition. No doubt about it. Great music video!

[claretdom]

For those out there who have doubts about who was behind 9/11, think of it another way.


You have a similar thought process to the blue dog who used to be a bird from trawden (maybe a link) surely that is enough to convince you that you are wrong.

[bluelabrador16]

claretdom

Why don't you watch the video!

"Why did the news agencies (BBC) report that WTC 7 collapsed almost 1/2 hour before it did, even though it was not hit by a plane, only had a few floors on fire, and gave no indication that it was in any serious danger?"

" Why do we still believe the tale of the 19 hijackers when so many of the accused hijackers showed up ALIVE within days? And why do we still believe the fable of the 19 hijackers when the FBI admitted that they are not sure about either the identity of the hijackers or if there were any hijackers at all?"

etc

You Only Believe the Official 9/11 Story Because You Don't Know the Official 9/11 Story

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/ed ... tory-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Worth a read

Good site for information.......

http://www.911forum.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I used to post on it.