Trump Inauguration

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:56 pm

S0S-1971 wrote:I thought the speech made a refreshing change , he's in charge now get over it .

Get over it ?

This isn't getting caught by your mum and dad with a love bite or smoking a ciggy in the back garden.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:59 pm

IndigoLake wrote:The clouds are weeping.

**** me

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:00 pm

A morbidly fascinating broadcast

Terry Cochrane · Post by **Terry Cochrane** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:02 pm

Refreshing change? Nah he's a screwball.

He couldn't even be bothered to get a new suit. It's the same one he wore in Home Alone 2. And that hair endangers copyright laws with Weetabix.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:02 pm

"From this day forwards it's going to be only America first".

Forget any lucrative trade deals post Brexit unless the main beneficiary of the deal is the USA.

Along with Putin Trump will be keen to see a weakened and divided Europe.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:07 pm

TVC15 wrote:Now there's a surprise Lowbank

Maybe he'll let us have those bricklayers when they've finished building that wall keeping Mexicans out ?

We can then crack on keeping the frogs, Irish, Welsh and Scottish out

Depends on your outlook.
Do I like what he said about women, NO.

Do I like the fact a self made man who is not a normal politition is now in power, yes.
Normally the people who have all the money control the power, do they care about the minions, absolutely not as long as they toe the line and dont cause too much trouble they dont give a sh1t about us.
Thats the reason they try to sell us the line that Russia is our enemy and always about to attack us.

Here in the UK London was prosperous while we suffer. The Banks bankrupted us and now they are paying huge bonuses again while we are being ground down by austerity.
When Thatcher was in power she was happy to give away our jobs and shut our industries.
Well now its our turn to watch those money grabbing Bankers jobs go abroad. I am glad.
I firmly believe our industries can win work world wide as we still have skilled workers and are very competitive.

There is a shift in world order, I for one think and hope it is going to be a good thing.

Both the UK and USA have centralised the wealth. The minions have revolted

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:11 pm

A billionaire puts billionaires in charge of where the money goes. I wonder what will happen?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Depends on your outlook.
Do I like what he said about women, NO.

Do I like the fact a self made man who is not a normal politition is now in power, yes.
Normally the people who have all the money control the power, do they care about the minions, absolutely not as long as they toe the line and dont cause too much trouble they dont give a sh1t about us.
Thats the reason they try to sell us the line that Russia is our enemy and always about to attack us.

Here in the UK London was prosperous while we suffer. The Banks bankrupted us and now they are paying huge bonuses again while we are being ground down by austerity.
When Thatcher was in power she was happy to give away our jobs and shut our industries.
Well now its our turn to watch those money grabbing Bankers jobs go abroad. I am glad.
I firmly believe our industries can win work world wide as we still have skilled workers and are very competitive.

There is a shift in world order, I for one think and hope it is going to be a good thing.

Both the UK and USA have centralised the wealth. The minions have revolted

Lowbank - there is too much in your post for me to tear apart as I am on my way out to play football.

So I'll just deal with one - "self made man"....do you mean self made as in the fact that his dad left him all £100m plus in 1974 ?

I heard someone say this week that if Donald Trump had just left the money he inherited in the Bank he would have made more than he did through his many business empires - a number of which lost fortunes

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:18 pm

I think he has a sense of social conscience, he has already stopped some factories closing and jobs moving out of the USA.

Lets see how he performs but if he does deliver on providing jobs for Americans. He will become popular, if he doesnt. he will either just last 4 years or someone will shoot him.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:21 pm

We all make mistakes.
As my Mentor said when I was an apprentice.
The only man who does not make mistakes is the man who does fu ck all.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:22 pm

A man hating feminazi was a guest on (Suprise Suprise !) The bbc.

She said it was overwhelming a result of white people's votes that put trump in the white house.

When black/Asian/muslim/women vote in a way that they perceive suits THEIR demographic it's "empowering"

When white people do the same it's "xenophobic, racist, hatred"

It's a funny old, illiberal, democracy denying, world isn't it!?

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:26 pm

Not the greatest day in world politics, but that's what you get when the 'little people' get hacked off being told what's good for them by the liberal metropolitan political classes.

A bit like the Brexit referendum.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:30 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I for one think he will be good for America.

He could well be good for us to post brexit.

A modern day equivalent of the bubonic plague would be good for the global population crisis, but that doesn't mean you'd want it to actually happen.

The guy is so far out of his depth it's scary. The only thing we can hope for is that he doesn't do too much damage before his impeachment.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:32 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Not the greatest day in world politics, but that's what you get when the 'little people' get hacked off being told what's good for them by the liberal metropolitan political classes.

A bit like the Brexit referendum.

Yeah, it's great when the 'little people' rebel against the establishment by voting for even richer and more dubious crooks than before. That'll show em!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:39 pm

Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance are going to lose their coverage because of the GOP hate Obama care.

Civil rights are going to take a huge hit with the nomination of SCOTUS judges who oppose things like gay marriage and abortion.

Women are about to lose the right to have contraception covered by the health insurance provided by employers.

Millions of families are threatened with being torn apart because the Republicans, and Trump, want to deport all illegal immigrants, including those who were brought to the country as a child and might not even know they're illegal immigrants.

All this and a lot more by a president who got fewer votes than his opponent and a Congress that is gerrymandered to guarantee Republican majorities in the House of Representatives.

And the attitude towards those who are concerned for these millions of people, and towards those seen crying because their lives will be thrown into turmoil by this president is "get over it".

Imagine having to look forward to a loved one being thrown off his/her health insurance which is providing health care that is literally saving his or her life and some tells you "get over it".
Imagine having to worry that you'll be forced to out of your home and into a country you don't know because 30 years ago your parents wanted a better life for you and crossed a border illegally to get you it, and then being told to "get over it".
Imagine worrying about these people and being told to "get over it".
Imagine what kind of person would tell these people to just "get over it".

I'm proud that I have the empathy to feel for the people affected by these policies, and I'm proud that I look down on those who don't.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:41 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:A modern day equivalent of the bubonic plague would be good for the global population crisis, but that doesn't mean you'd want it to actually happen.

The guy is so far out of his depth it's scary. The only thing we can hope for is that he doesn't do too much damage before his impeachment.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion.
He wants to protect jobs and create more jobs, not sure how thats a bad thing.
He is against the proliferation of drugs and wants to fight against them, not sure how thats a bad thing.
He wants to wipe Muslim extremists of the face of the earth, not sure how thats a bad thing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:43 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I think he has a sense of social conscience, he has already stopped some factories closing and jobs moving out of the USA.

Lets see how he performs but if he does deliver on providing jobs for Americans. He will become popular, if he doesnt. he will either just last 4 years or someone will shoot him.

Which factories has he prevented from closing? A link to a news article will do.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:45 pm

I think we will have to wait and see what happens to Obamacare.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:51 pm

Trump secured crucial wins in Ohio and Pensylvania promising to reopen the coal mines and putting thousands back to work down the pits mining coal.

The huge success of fracking in the USA providing a surplus of cheap oil makes this just an empty promise made to secure vital votes in key states. Global and environmental rules on climate change also make this pledge a non starter.

More chance of the jam butty mines reopening in Knotty Ash.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:51 pm

Trump reaches deal to keep 1,000 jobs at Indiana plant from moving to Mexico.
Guardian headline.
Depends on which paper you read.
Ford later denied they were closing the plant, as they would.

This is the same Ford that decided it was finacially better to pay out for the people killed by selling cars with incorrect tyres than to recall the cars and replace them as it would be cheaper to pay for dead people.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:54 pm

We in the North west are about to find out what damage Fracking does. Again London dictating to the minions when even our own council rejected it.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:58 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Trump reaches deal to keep 1,000 jobs at Indiana plant from moving to Mexico.
Guardian headline.
Depends on which paper you read.
Ford later denied they were closing the plant, as they would.

This is the same Ford that decided it was finacially better to pay out for the people killed by selling cars with incorrect tyres than to recall the cars and replace them as it would be cheaper to pay for dead people.

Businesses people, eh? You wouldn't want people like that governing a rich and powerful country. Hang on, what's that? Oh it's just billionaire business man Donald Trump being sworn in as POTUS and his new cabinet of corporate CEO's behind him.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:04 pm

First time I've watched a President's Inauguration Address. I guess I've always been working on previous occasions. How often do the BBC give it so much coverage?

I'm guessing the guy (master of ceremonies ?) who started proceedings by quoting from previous, notable PIAs didn't know what DT was going to say. (Can we now call him PDT)?

So, "America is greatest when it is united." Perhaps a PIA that aimed at uniting would be a good idea...

Michelle Obama: a class person. How can PDT be so discourteous to "trash" many (all?) her husband had done at a ceremony? Her expression said it all.

Seeing President Bill Clinton with Hilary Clinton - a reminder that political dynasties are never great for democracy. We (i.e. the world) ends up with PDT because the Democrats put up HC as the alternative. I'm sure, whatever side of the political divide we stand, we all want good candidates to stand for election for the most powerful political role in the world.

God Bless America.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:09 pm

Given that there are estimated to be over 300,000 fracking wells in the USA churning out 4.3 million barrels a day I guess they would have stopped the process by now if significant damage was being caused.

The scale and success of the fracking operation in the USA just underlines the fact that the reopening of coal mines is a non starter and just a cynical ploy by Trump to gain votes from the poorer and more deprived areas of the country.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:09 pm

Or you can have puppet politician who is controlled by the people with money who does what he is told and says what he is paid to say.
At least Trump is not being controlled by others.
Just may be all those CEO's want to build a better future for Americans.
Thay at least have the power to do that.
History will show what really happens .

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:12 pm

kentonclaret wrote:Trump secured crucial wins in Ohio and Pensylvania promising to reopen the coal mines and putting thousands back to work down the pits mining coal.

The huge success of fracking in the USA providing a surplus of cheap oil makes this just an empty promise made to secure vital votes in key states. Global and environmental rules on climate change also make this pledge a non starter.

More chance of the jam butty mines reopening in Knotty Ash.

Don't forget that fracking also produces an enormous amount of "cheap" natural gas - and it's nat gas, burnt in power generation, that has displaced a lot of coal fired generation, cutting the demand for coal and thus the price of coal falls - and the coal mines are closed. The switch from coal to nat gas is reason why USA has a good record on reducing carbon emissions.

On the other hand, a couple of new coal fired power generation units have recently started up in USA. Both use "clean coal" technology - and remove a lot of the carbon dioxide that normally results from burning coal. I understand that both have benefitted strongly from government subsidies.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:16 pm

I for one am just loving Lowbanks take on this.

Every statement on this thread has me going "WTF?"

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:22 pm

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I honestly love liberals, they are the gift that keep on giving.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:35 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Normally the people who have all the money control the power, do they care about the minions, absolutely not as long as they toe the line and dont cause too much trouble they dont give a sh1t about.

Is this not just a description of Trump, that leaves out all the really bad bits?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:36 pm

Damo Post 31...

"...Keep fighting for kindness, truth, diversity and tolerance.......we can cast that flickering light of hope in the future.."

Pass the sick bucket.

in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day.

According to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day.

He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan. Every Tuesday – reported the New York Times – he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the “terrorist target”.

A leading Republican senator, Lindsey Graham, estimated, approvingly, that Obama’s drones killed 4,700 people. “Sometimes you hit innocent people and I hate that,” he said, but we’ve taken out some very senior members of Al Qaeda.”

Nato – led by Obama and Hillary Clinton – launched 9,700 “strike sorties” against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that “most [of the children killed]were under the age of 10”.

Under Obama, the US has extended secret “special forces” operations to 138 countries, or 70 per cent of the world’s population.

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On the positive side, Obama did 1) wear some good suits. 2) not have orange hair. 3) not say "pussy" (in public). 4) ...er, help me here.

I forgot, he did shut down Guantanamo Bay, as he had promised to. (Didn't he?)

"That's why they call it the American Dream: You have to be asleep to believe it." (George Carlin)

"The big mistake of liberals was to think Trump was bringing fascism, without realizing fascism was already here." (John Steppling)

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Or you can have puppet politician who is controlled by the people with money who does what he is told and says what he is paid to say.
At least Trump is not being controlled by others.

Putin? Anyone else he owes vast sums of money to? Wait - we don't know who that is as he still hasn't released his tax returns, despite promising to do so during at least one of the debates.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I for one am just loving Lowbanks take on this.

Every statement on this thread has me going "WTF?"

We should meet up for a couple of pints before a game, I think threads can be a lot different to an actual debate face to face.

Do I think some of the things he has said make him look like a complete tool, yes I do. I dont agree with his attack on obsmacare, thats not good.

what he said about women is unacceptable.

The competitor, Hilary, if that was any of us we would be doing life.

I take it you think jobs should be shipped out to low cost economies. Should we welcome ISIS. You think drugs are a good thing???

I work my balls off every day to keep jobs in the North West, even recently creating some.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:57 pm

"At least Trump is not being controlled by others."

What? You mean apart from big business?

"The competitor, Hilary, if that was any of us we would be doing life."

Life imprisonment for having an insecure e-mail server? You are being serious?

"I take it you think jobs should be shipped out to low cost economies. Should we welcome ISIS. You think drugs are a good thing???"

Now you are just being silly. Every US President fights against that, but usually by trying to be fair to competitors. Trump is a protectionist (or at least everything he says suggest he is). Trade Wars help nobody.

"I work my balls off every day to keep jobs in the North West, even recently creating some."

Good and fair play for that, but can I ask you a question - does what you do require international trade deals? Are you expecting an economic shortfall in the near future because of Brexit/Trump/world issues?

Our economy is doing really well, but its fuelled (again) by household debt, and that went really badly wrong before.

Regarding beer and politics, more than happy to and be prepared for me to be just as annoyed and disagreeable in real life about the current situation!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:04 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-01- ... -sworn-in/

I honestly love liberals, they are the gift that keep on giving.

Proving my point.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:11 pm

According to CH4 news, he's already taken any mention of climate change off the governments website.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:16 pm

What genuinely bothers me is that idea that somehow the likes of Trump/Farage etc are not "elite".

If they took power through a grassroots movement, completely against the interests of big business, then they wouldn't be "elite".

But they are clearly part of the elite, with the only difference (that I can see) is that they have no qualms about saying whatever comes into their heads whenever they want.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:"At least Trump is not being controlled by others."

What? You mean apart from big business?

"The competitor, Hilary, if that was any of us we would be doing life."

Life imprisonment for having an insecure e-mail server? You are being serious?

"I take it you think jobs should be shipped out to low cost economies. Should we welcome ISIS. You think drugs are a good thing???"

Now you are just being silly. Every US President fights against that, but usually by trying to be fair to competitors. Trump is a protectionist (or at least everything he says suggest he is). Trade Wars help nobody.

"I work my balls off every day to keep jobs in the North West, even recently creating some."

Good and fair play for that, but can I ask you a question - does what you do require international trade deals? Are you expecting an economic shortfall in the near future because of Brexit/Trump/world issues?

Our economy is doing really well, but its fuelled (again) by household debt, and that went really badly wrong before.

Regarding beer and politics, more than happy to and be prepared for me to be just as annoyed and disagreeable in real life about the current situation!

Last line first, I am sure I take the annoyed and disagreeable. I am also unhappy about the current situation.

Household debt is not good I agree, but bankers paying bonusses on unrealised profit which is still happening is just as bad if not worse.When they go bust next time they will take the whole world with them as we cannot afford to bail them out again. They have paid nothing back, not a single penny.
We dont appear to need a trade deal, we can just buy parts from the lowest of 3 quotes.
My company works to the highest ethics, we have the most comprehensive ethics policy. 671 milion anyone.
Not sure if there will be an economic short fall, I have worked on two major contracts and the UK was cheapest from worldwide quotes. Do I think we can compete worldwide, yes I do.

Whats wrong with being protectionist, other countries do it. I have offloaded work to countries because a goverment backed airline has as part of the deal to buy aircraft written into that contract that 10% of that aircraft has to be made in thier country. Is that not protectionism. Not sure British Airlines do that.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:23 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:According to CH4 news, he's already taken any mention of climate change off the governments website.

Thats one thing me and him would 100% disagree on.

Climate change is happening and could be disastrous for mankind.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:32 pm

Hillary's being booed? I didn't think that many Democrats would have showed up.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:33 pm

Fair doos Lowbank, and the situation with the bankers is something I also agree with.

I agree that there is nothing stopping us being a world power in trade, and eventually I'm sure we will be with the right investment and government.

Its how long that will take, how much damage it will do and (though I appreciate not from you) effects that this will have on the social cohesion of the country.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:33 pm

Climate change is already here, and it might be already too late to do anything about it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:42 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-01- ... -sworn-in/

I honestly love liberals, they are the gift that keep on giving.

And entitled female who's repeatedly told herself-

"I have the right not to be disappointed "

"I have the right not to be disappointed "

"I have the right not to be disappointed "

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:46 pm

I also believe climate change is practically impossible to prevent, but awarness of this and to change old energy means needs to be at the forefront of anyone who takes office.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Fair doos Lowbank, and the situation with the bankers is something I also agree with.

I agree that there is nothing stopping us being a world power in trade, and eventually I'm sure we will be with the right investment and government.

Its how long that will take, how much damage it will do and (though I appreciate not from you) effects that this will have on the social cohesion of the country.

Thats the worry, will it damage us before we recover.

My uncle who agrees (Born in Roseendale) with Brexit, but has his company base in Dubia thinks we have done the right thing. I did think he would disagree but no he thinks it will be a good thing. Not sure I could what he does, just won a contract to build an oil pipeline through Iraq.

Anyway let me know if you want to meet for a pint, I go in the foundation bar. will need to get you a day pass.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Proving my point.

What point? What have I missed?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:57 pm

dont want to highjack the thread but just seen we have ahreed a fee for brady.

surely thats way more importsnt

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:10 pm

i just think that President Trump sounds like an instruction.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:13 pm

Close the borders. America first. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid. This all sounds like the precursor to the Great Depression. The only thing missing is runaway inflation, which will be the next step.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:15 pm

Does Trump have anybody in his cabinet who has studied Economics 101? I know that he hasn't.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:20 pm

The whole problem with Trumponomics is that he thinks he can act unilaterally and that nobody will react. He's soon to find out just how wrong he is.