ARTICLE: BT to screen cup tie

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:16 pm

claretspice wrote:5 quid/10 quid, it should be. I'd give them the whole CFS, too.

It's not a case of giving them the whole CFS, they are entitled to it.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:17 pm

claretspice wrote:If needs be, they can sort the segregation thing out by requiring home supporters to walk round and giving the path down the cricket field to lincoln fans in that side of that end. Ir give them the Bob Lord.

Realistically, leaving ourselves 16,500 tickets is plenty. We can do this with class, be good hosts and enhance our reputation. Or we can be awkward, miserly bastards.

Awkward miserly bastards. Well that's done us no harm at home thus far this season. It's the Dyche way.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:18 pm

Which word in the phrase "PROFESSIONAL football" don't people grasp?

(Clue.... It's not in lower case.)

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's not a case of giving them the whole CFS, they are entitled to it.

I'm not sure they are CT the stand as to be unsegregated for that to apply.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:20 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:I'm not sure they are CT the stand as to be unsegregated for that to apply.

They are entitled to the whole stand - as were Sunderland and Bristol City who opted not to take up the full allocation.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:20 pm

Can we not just give them the whole of the jimmy mc? Much easier logistically, and gives them the numbers they are looking for.

If uo to me, with a place in the quarter final up for grabs, we should be as unwelcoming as possible, give them 2400 and beat them 6-0.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:21 pm

I'm not into this plucky Lincoln malarkey at all.

Tonk them by 6 and clap them off after, the fans need to be up for it as much as SD will make sure the team are.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:22 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:Can we not just give them the whole of the jimmy mc? Much easier logistically, and gives them the numbers they are looking for.

Why would we want to do that then ?

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:Why would we want to do that then ?

CT states that they have asked for 7500 and are 'entitled' to the whole CFS. I'd rather they didn't have that whole stand. We need the win just as much as they do.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:25 pm

This is the rule regarding tickets

In all matches preceding the Semi-Finals, the Visiting Club shall have the right to claim up to 15% of all accommodation for which tickets are issued providing these tickets are in a fully segregated area, and subject to the following regulations:

(i) The request for tickets shall be made within two days of the draw.

(ii) The tickets allotted to the Visiting Club, if numbered and reserved, must be of equal value to those retained by the Home Club.

(iii) In cases of replays, the Club playing away in the replay must make a request for tickets prior to the original match in order to ensure that the replay tickets are in the possession of the club playing away in the replay at the latest immediately on conclusion of the original match.

(iv) The Visiting Club shall be responsible for the payment of all tickets asked for and allotted, unless otherwise agreed between the Clubs in writing with a copy sent to The Association. All questions in dispute shall immediately be referred to The Association.

(v) The Visiting Club should settle with the Home Club for sales of tickets on or before the day of the match.

(vi) Any tickets not sold by the Visiting Club should be returned to the Home Club with their statement of tickets sales.

(vii) In the Competition Proper, a Visiting Club shall be entitled to one third of the seats usually reserved and known as “Home and Visiting Directors’ Seats” up to a maximum of 24 seats.

(viii) Where disabled facilities are provided, a Visiting Club shall have the right to claim up to 15% of this accommodation.

(ix) Where it is deemed desirable, the Professional Game Board shall have the right to vary the allocation of tickets to the Visiting Club, or require a match to be made all ticket.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:26 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:CT states that they have asked for 7500 and are 'entitled' to the whole CFS. I'd rather they didn't have that whole stand. We need the win just as much as they do.

I've not stated anything in terms of the numbers they've requested - just that they are entitled to the whole end as you can see from the rule I've just posted which shows they are allowed 15% which will be just about 3,250.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:31 pm

Give them both tiers of the Jimmy Mc stand. It was the least populated area for the Bristol game and will give them about 6k tickets. We get the whole of the cricket field stand and should fill the ground.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:35 pm

I very much doubt they will move the away fans out of the cricket field stand

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:38 pm

Is there not a problem with the segregation though? Wouldn't the Lincoln fans have to come in at both ends due to the partition underneath or have i been fed wrong info? Surely the police have last say with regards to this?

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:40 pm

Our fantastic away support has roared our team to victories we didn't expect in many games over the years. Let's not give any, ANY team that opportunity- as generous and fair as we may be. Fair - is play by the rules. We need not go any further than that.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:41 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Awkward miserly bastards. Well that's done us no harm at home thus far this season. It's the Dyche way.

Its the Dyche way to be tough opposition on the pitch. We can be as difficult as we like during the game.

Off the pitch, we should be as generous aa possible.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:46 pm

That's what I don't understand about the rule you've posted CT. I can work out 15% of 21000. And I know the Cricket Field as approx 4000 seats. But they are now segregated into two sections. So to make what that rule says work you are changing the segregation of turnstiles entrances and exits and access routes. Or am I missing something. Tell me I'm thick if you want CT I don't mind....

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:48 pm

Give them both sides of the stand and keep it divided down below. Problem solved.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:54 pm

claretspice wrote:Its the Dyche way to be tough opposition on the pitch. We can be as difficult as we like during the game.

Off the pitch, we should be as generous aa possible.

2400 tickets to a team with an average home attendance of 3800 is pretty generous I'd say Claretspice. We have home advantage we should do all we can to use it. Remember this is about us getting through to a quarter final and could be worth a couple of million. And with the league we play in you should know generosity in football doesn't exist.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:59 pm

claretspice wrote:Give them both sides of the stand and keep it divided down below. Problem solved.

It's not problem solved though as they would need to use the turnstiles at both ends to access it. Do you think the police will a) allow the Lincoln fans to split and have 2 points of entry and b) allow them to access the rear of the James Hargreaves stand area and the subsequent issues with access and segregation that will cause? Logistical nightmare. I seriously doubt it.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:04 pm

If they're entitled 'up to 15%' of ground capacity then that equates to 'up to 3,300'.

How does that entitle them to the whole stand?

Surely that leaves some 800 seats remaining in the CFS?

Can't believe anyone would suggest giving them the Bob Lord, if there were 100 options that would be the 100th that the directors would take up. Not to mention the 2,000 season ticket holders in there that will require their own seats.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:09 pm

This is a part of the debate some of us are failing to understand Royboy I openly admit it I'm not sure how the rule CT posted works. Yes 3300 leaves 800 seats. But 900 of the 3300 are on the wrong side of the divide.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:13 pm

"But 900 of the 3300 are on the wrong side of the divide."

Exactly RLC, and I'm struggling to see how they would be entitled to the whole stand if 15% equates to 3,300.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:15 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"But 900 of the 3300 are on the wrong side of the divide."

Exactly RLC, and I'm struggling to see how they would be entitled to the whole stand if 15% equates to 3,300.

We would give them the whole stand to keep it segregated. The problem now being there are access issues as i have stated previously.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:21 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:We would give them the whole stand to keep it segregated. The problem now being there are access issues as i have stated previously.

Your spot on Somethingfishy segregation isn't just about where your sat that's the easy bit. The issue with segregation. Is entrances, exits access routes emergency exits basically everything to do with safety.

We will see the club will need to announce something shortly the games only 2 1/2 weeks away.

HendricksHair · Post by **HendricksHair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:54 am

Ticket news will be announced in the next few days id think

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:34 am

claretspice wrote:If needs be, they can sort the segregation thing out by requiring home supporters to walk round and giving the path down the cricket field to lincoln fans in that side of that end. Ir give them the Bob Lord.

Realistically, leaving ourselves 16,500 tickets is plenty. We can do this with class, be good hosts and enhance our reputation. Or we can be awkward, miserly bastards.

******** to being good hosts and enhancing our reputation. We are not a hotel and its not trip advisor.

We are one win from The FA Cup quarter final at home to a non league outfit. Lets make our advantage count. If we draw will they be replaying it at the City Ground for example so we can take more? Will they balls.

Plus giving them the whole stand opens this opportunity to a potentially bigger club in the quarter final. Chelsea or Spurs or either Manchester Club could bring 4K then and completely take advantage or our own advantage.

No lets not give them any more and lets make it as difficult as possible for anyone else to get any more if we go through!

They only average 3.5k at home - **** them.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:48 am

There were FA CUP games between Arsenal Liverpool and Spurs in last couple of years where Arsenal only allocated around 7% to the visiting supporters.Spurs and Liverpool made complaints.
Nothing happened to Arsenal because of it I don't believe.

Burnley fans should be allowed in the CFS. It's where those of us who care about creating a good atmosphere go, it would be madness to hand that over, to 4000 giddy imps.

My preferred option would be to give them the Jimmy Mac. That way they would get a lot more tickets (so being accomodating) but not losing our atmosphere. Although never in a million years will that happen!
It's a massive day for them, they'll be well up for it, and I hope they have a top day, but leave having been comprehensively defeated and out sung.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:51 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:They want to permission to bring an air raid siren as well FFS. Perhaps give them the home changing room as well. They've sold Theo Robinson perhaps lend them Gray for the day.

They can f*** that right off...

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:43 am

I don't get this 'it's their day', give them the Bob Lord nauseating bullshit. We can be decent hosts without the need to bend over backwards. Our focus should be on getting a step closer to Wembley not creating a great day out for the opposition.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:04 am

Somethingfishy wrote:It's not problem solved though as they would need to use the turnstiles at both ends to access it. Do you think the police will a) allow the Lincoln fans to split and have 2 points of entry and b) allow them to access the rear of the James Hargreaves stand area and the subsequent issues with access and segregation that will cause? Logistical nightmare. I seriously doubt it.

Easily solved by giving them the path down the CFS for access and requiring those lincoln fans on that side to arrives by coach so they can be directed. Burnley fans in the longside can, on this occasion, walk round behind the Jimmy Mac end. A minor inconvenience.

Fair point about what it could mean for a future tie above though. Hadnt thought of that and it does make a difference.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:51 am

There is also the problem of minimising the inconvenience to Season Ticket holders to consider here.

My solution: Normal away section plus 1/3rd of the Bob Lord, nearest to the away section.
I suspect that is about 1,000 seats. That may necessitate the erection of a steel wall in the concourse
or a line of stewards. The Bob Lord section's tickets should only be sold to their season ticket holders.
I would have thought the Police would prefer it if all away fans are entering the ground in the same area.

I suspect there are about 500 ST holders in that area of Bob Lord. If you move us out of CFS
then you are inconveniencing well over 500 ST holders.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:55 am

claretspice wrote:We can do this with class, be good hosts and enhance our reputation. Or we can be awkward, miserly bastards.

I like the latter, why break the habit of a lifetime.

( although I think they'll get more than 2,400 )

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:10 am

With a 1230 KO they'll need to be leaving Lincoln at around 0600hrs in the morning. No big deal travel wise so they'll probably be able to bring in the region of 4,000-5,000 fans. The chances are money will talk and they'll get the whole of CFS and a massive advantage support wise due to the acoustics in the CFS. I don't like it as our fans being in the CFS has been a great success but it does seem the sensible option. The interesting thing will be how we price the tickets??

Stevebfc40 · Post by **Stevebfc40** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:15 am

Slightly going off topic. Are Westwood and Brady cuptied ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:17 am

Normal away allocation, using the argument of the segregation would make sense.

Should be a decent crowd on whatever we do.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:34 am

It says "up to 15%". Not "15%".

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:34 am

Looking through this thread and it seems nobody's considered that Lincoln are a non-league side... give them a big allocation.
''Magic of the cup'' and ''on their day'' aside we're pretty unstoppable at home, shouldn't worry.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

What a load of miserable sods, barring a shocker of biblical proportions we'll steam-roller them, even with resting a few. Let them have a big day out, whatever logistical barriers need to be overcome. It'll be back to normal for the next league game.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

MiltonKeynesClaret93 wrote:Looking through this thread and it seems nobody's considered that Lincoln are a non-league side... give them a big allocation.
''Magic of the cup'' and ''on their day'' aside we're pretty unstoppable at home, shouldn't worry.

I think you'll probably find that Burnley supporters in the CFS may be somewhat to thank for that.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:39 am

Stevebfc40 wrote:Slightly going off topic. Are Westwood and Brady cuptied ?

Westwood no, Brady yes

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:40 am

Stevebfc40 wrote:Slightly going off topic. Are Westwood and Brady cuptied ?

Pretty sure Brady is, not too sure about Westwood.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:46 am

It is on our local Radio this morning that Lincoln have officially asked for 7,000 tickets from Burnley and are due an answer in the next couple of days, they then went on to say that 15% would mean only 3,200 tickets maximum. I have quite a few Imp friends, they love their air raid siren when they get a corner, sing with gusto 10 German Bombers in the air and the RAF from Lincoln' shot one down....

I personally would give them as close to 3,200 as we can, keep the CFS home fans in the stand and make sure if we have one of the big boys in the Quarter Final at home we can do the same again ticket wise. I am of course presuming we can win this banana skin of a cup tie.

SparkyClaret · Post by **SparkyClaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:02 am

why on earth would they ask for 7000 if the 15% is less than half that figure? Surely someone at the club knows that in advance?

As for giving them parts of the ground not normally used by away fans, I'd imagine the local plod would not be happy about having to change their formula. I would hope we give them the max we can without displacing ST holders in any stand. Why inconvenience your own fans?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:06 am

One of them can sit in my seat because I won't be going at that time.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:08 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:I think you'll probably find that Burnley supporters in the CFS may be somewhat to thank for that.

Couldn't agree more however, it's Lincoln City, not Manchester City.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:10 am

SparkyClaret wrote:why on earth would they ask for 7000 if the 15% is less than half that figure? Surely someone at the club knows that in advance?

As for giving them parts of the ground not normally used by away fans, I'd imagine the local plod would not be happy about having to change their formula. I would hope we give them the max we can without displacing ST holders in any stand. Why inconvenience your own fans?

Lincoln took 7,000 to Ipswich and wanted more but Ipswich said no, my lad (Burnley supporter) drove his mother in law Lincoln City fan to the Ipswich game and even brought her back! Funny old world and funny old game too.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:27 am

Holtyclaret wrote:What a load of miserable sods, barring a shocker of biblical proportions we'll steam-roller them, even with resting a few. Let them have a big day out, whatever logistical barriers need to be overcome. It'll be back to normal for the next league game.

I would suggest you didn't attend the Wimbledon game

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:33 am

Hi there, please can we have 30% of your ground?

Er no. Sorry.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:53 am

Bearing in mind Lincoln have got a pretty sizeable hooligan element, it'd be madness to offer them anything which isn't the usual, safe segregated allocation.