ARTICLE: BT to screen cup tie

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:06 am

I can't see this match reaching anything like capacity, especially now it's a 12.30 kick off. On that basis I'd been inclined to meet their request, health and safety permitting. I'm a long servicing season ticket holder in the BL, but if I had to move to accommodate, so be it. It's only a one off and hopefully Lincoln's moment in the sun.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:13 am

Give them the CF stand or the JM if they want more tickets.

If we were a non league team playing away in the 5th round of the FA cup, we'd want as many Clarets to see the game as possible wouldn't we

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:17 am

Housing away fans in the JM stand just isn't feasible, I'm not sure why it would even be suggested.

whalleyclaret · Post by **whalleyclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:18 am

think we should ask them how many tickets we would get for a possible replay.

If its less than the away CFS section of 2400, thats all they get. end of.

Its our ground not theirs, our home draw, and after just short of 15000 in the last round, Clarets Fans must be first priority.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:23 am

How many lincoln season ticket holders is there?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:26 am

They average 3000 in a 9000 stadium this season, and want us to give them 7000 tickets?
Give them 2400.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:28 am

Braindead wrote:They average 3000 in a 9000 stadium this season, and want us to give them 7000 tickets?
Give them 2400.

So its like us asking Utd for 30,000 if we played them.

I don't think people would want to be so accomodating to chelsea or spurs.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:33 am

If it were just a precedent for Lincoln, I'd definitely give them the whole CFS. The logistical challenges it presents are completely surmountable, and I do think we ought to be as supportive of Lincoln as we can be.

But - if we were playing Man City in the 5th round, I doubt any of us would want to be that accommodating. The problem is that we easily could draw that sort of club in the 6th round, and we'd then be saddled with the precedent set against Lincoln.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:35 am

The flip side to that is also we could get Man City away in the quarter finals and then be told we can only have 3000 due to segregation, would we be as accepting as we seem to be asking other fans to be ?

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:35 am

Rileybobs wrote:Housing away fans in the JM stand just isn't feasible, I'm not sure why it would even be suggested.

Why would it not be feasible Rileybobs? does it matter which end they populate? give them the JM on the understanding that their fans will be kept in 10 mins after the game, this would give Burnley fans time to get away, in the main, Burnley fans head towards the town after the game, so the opposite direction to where the Lincoln fans would be housed.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:37 am

discussed in depth on this thread...

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 68#p304857" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:37 am

Were not playing Lincoln at the Etihad with a capacity of 55,000.
Were playing at turf moor with a capacity of 22,000.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:41 am

leedsdave wrote:With due respect Lord Beamish, this topic has been bashed to death on the "ARTICLE - BT to screen Cup Tie" thread.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=12921" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry. Not read that one, and the thread title is not really that explicit.

SalouClaret · Post by **SalouClaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:44 am

Rileybobs wrote:Housing away fans in the JM stand just isn't feasible, I'm not sure why it would even be suggested.

Didn't Stoke fans go in there a few years ago? I can't remember why, mind. Maybe some work being done on the CFS.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:45 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Why would it not be feasible Rileybobs? does it matter which end they populate? give them the JM on the understanding that their fans will be kept in 10 mins after the game, this would give Burnley fans time to get away, in the main, Burnley fans head towards the town after the game, so the opposite direction to where the Lincoln fans would be housed.

Firstly, the JM Stand is the designated family stand. It is the stand that many parents will feel most comfortable to take their children in to.

Secondly, to the rear of JM Stand is the main entrance to the huge car park area and is a primary access point to the JH Stand for home stands. The proximity of the club shop could also cause problems.

Thirdly, the stand has never been used to accommodate away fans so this would lead to a completely fresh policing and logistics operation, which just isn't feasible for a one-off cup game.

Fourthly, housing away fans in the JM Stand would uproot a huge number of season ticket holders.

Everything about that stand makes it less feasible than any other part of the ground.

ClaretAndBlue94 · Post by **ClaretAndBlue94** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:46 am

Unless FA regulations state we have to give a minimum (that is more than what we currently offer away supporters) then I don't think we should be changing anything.

Totally agree with the point above also, we wouldn't get 10/15k tickets if we wanted them away at Old Trafford etc

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:48 am

I'm sure some posters will be happy to see us get beat by Lincoln so that their supporters can have 'their big day'.

Honestly, grow a pair. It's our ground, our home tie, and our chance of getting to a quarter final in a globally screened competition.

Give them 2,400, blame health and safety and/or police, and let's get on with it.

It's the luck of the draw they got us and not a team with a bigger ground. They'll just have to cope.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:50 am

Fair enough Rileybobs, valid points well made!

Based on that, give em the minimum we can and sod em

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:50 am

I'd give them the whole of the CFS, it would ensure a full house, add to the atmosphere for the telly viewers, bring in added income to both clubs, and be seen as a magnanimous gesture on our part.
If we can't beat them despite their fans, then we wouldn't deserve to.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:54 am

claretdom wrote:The flip side to that is also we could get Man City away in the quarter finals and then be told we can only have 3000 due to segregation, would we be as accepting as we seem to be asking other fans to be ?

Very true. Which is why giving an additional allocation of 1000 or so in the Bob Lord stand, demonstrating our commitment to making available a bigger allocation in the cup but without giving away the advantage we gain from having supporters in the CFS, seems to me the neatest solution.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:57 am

I'm not too fussed if they get 4,000. But don't see the need to give them part of any of the other stands. What I find incomprehensible is the handful of views that we should bend over backwards because it's their day. This is a massive opportunity for to us to get to a major quarter final or even beyond and that's all that matters to me - I couldn't give a toss whether their fans think we have been hospitable or not.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:02 pm

taio wrote:I'm not too fussed if they get 4,000. But don't see the need to give them part of any of the other stands. What I find incomprehensible is the handful of views that we should bend over backwards because it's their day. This is a massive opportunity for to us to get to a major quarter final or even beyond and that's all that matters to me - I couldn't give a toss whether their fans think we have been hospitable or not.

Do to others as you'd like others to do to you.

I'm bloody glad that down the years Chelsea didn't take that attitude when we went there in the League cup under Coyle, and that Liverpool didn't take that attitude when we were there in the cup in the 90s, Derby didn't when we went there in 2000, etc. etc. etc. If they had taken the attitude, there'd have been many disappointed Burnley fans.

We've benefitted from the requirement for clubs to give bigger allocations in the cup when we were a lower league team. We might one day be back down there again and we shouldn't forget that.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:08 pm

claretspice wrote:Do to others as you'd like others to do to you.

I'm bloody glad that down the years Chelsea didn't take that attitude when we went there in the League cup under Coyle, and that Liverpool didn't take that attitude when we were there in the cup in the 90s, Derby didn't when we went there in 2000, etc. etc. etc. If they had taken the attitude, there'd have been many disappointed Burnley fans.

We've benefitted from the requirement for clubs to give bigger allocations in the cup when we were a lower league team. We might one day be back down there again and we shouldn't forget that.

What are you going on about? Giving up to 4,000 would be entirely reasonable. In the future I wouldn't give a flying f**k if a club didn't regard it as our day, but simply acted reasonably.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:11 pm

I think we agree then. I read your post as not understanding why we should do what we can to give them a bigger allocations - apologies if I misunderstood (there are though plenty who have suggested we should "sod them").

My preference is to give them a bigger allocation, without losing the advantage we get from having home fans in the CFS and which we may want to reserve for future rounds. Therefore, I'd give them the half of the Bob Lord at the CFS end, up to the directors box.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:12 pm

taio wrote:I'm not too fussed if they get 4,000. But don't see the need to give them part of any of the other stands. What I find incomprehensible is the handful of views that we should bend over backwards because it's their day. This is a massive opportunity for to us to get to a major quarter final or even beyond and that's all that matters to me - I couldn't give a toss whether their fans think we have been hospitable or not.

If they have less than 3k on regularly then sod em, don't give em any more than that!

******** to this sentimental rubbish, we want to win this game. We've got a reasonable chance in this cup this year!!

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:13 pm

If we beat Lincoln, which I'm assuming we will, and have given them 3,900, or whatever the capacity of that stand is now, then the next team we play, if it's at ours, will demand that exact same number and will get it. THis will mean that only 17,400 home fans could potentially watch a Cup quarter final.

We have season ticket holders in that stand, and segregation/entry issues, so it wouldn't be tricky to give them anything but the 2,430 we allow other clubs.

I don't care if it's "their day" either. It's also our day, and a chance to progress in a great cup competition where it now gets serious!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:17 pm

Claretforever wrote:If we beat Lincoln, which I'm assuming we will, and have given them 3,900, or whatever the capacity of that stand is now, then the next team we play, if it's at ours, will demand that exact same number and will get it. THis will mean that only 17,400 home fans could potentially watch a Cup quarter final.

We have season ticket holders in that stand, and segregation/entry issues, so it wouldn't be tricky to give them anything but the 2,430 we allow other clubs.

I don't care if it's "their day" either. It's also our day, and a chance to progress in a great cup competition where it now gets serious!

So give them 1000 in the Bob Lord stand instead. Sure, it reduces the number of home fans who can get in. But large away followings have benefitted us in the past and they're a part of the cup.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Bearing in mind they gracefully bowed out of the football league on our very own "Orient game"......we should roll out the biggest red carpet ever, after all, look where we are now.............where they are now...........

Then reet royally stuff 'em.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:19 pm

I'm sure what we give to Lincoln has no bearings on the following round.

Burnley_Mark · Post by **Burnley_Mark** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:19 pm

Well, according to a tweet they've just done, this is gonna be announced today.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:20 pm

I'd give them the whole away end. It's a big occasion for them and it's not like we'd be obliged to do the same in following rounds (should we get through, lol).

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:23 pm

I get teams in the past have bent over backwards to help out us or over teams in the ticket allocation. But their after more than double their average gate. I get it if its Utd with 70,000 season ticket holders, but for an extra 4,000 fans who can't be arsed when their playing in the national league. Nah

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:25 pm

claretspice wrote:So give them 1000 in the Bob Lord stand instead. Sure, it reduces the number of home fans who can get in. But large away followings have benefitted us in the past and they're a part of the cup.

4000 in the CFS is more than enough. 1000 in the Bob Lord as well? Come on now you can't be serious?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:27 pm

I'm also not sure why what we choose to do against Lincoln would set a precedent forcing us to do the same in the following round.

ClaretPope · Post by **ClaretPope** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:27 pm

whentheballmoves wrote:Hopefully know in the next few days!!!

Suggestion on BFC Twitter that an announcement about the tickets will be made later today to put us out of our misery.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:27 pm

Claretforever wrote:If we beat Lincoln, which I'm assuming we will, and have given them 3,900, or whatever the capacity of that stand is now, then the next team we play, if it's at ours, will demand that exact same number and will get it. THis will mean that only 17,400 home fans could potentially watch a Cup quarter final.

We have season ticket holders in that stand, and segregation/entry issues, so it wouldn't be tricky to give them anything but the 2,430 we allow other clubs.

I don't care if it's "their day" either. It's also our day, and a chance to progress in a great cup competition where it now gets serious!

Hmmmmm... dangerous precedent !

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Firstly, the JM Stand is the designated family stand. It is the stand that many parents will feel most comfortable to take their children in to.

Secondly, to the rear of JM Stand is the main entrance to the huge car park area and is a primary access point to the JH Stand for home stands. The proximity of the club shop could also cause problems.

Thirdly, the stand has never been used to accommodate away fans so this would lead to a completely fresh policing and logistics operation, which just isn't feasible for a one-off cup game.

Fourthly, housing away fans in the JM Stand would uproot a huge number of season ticket holders.

Everything about that stand makes it less feasible than any other part of the ground.

The Jimmy Mc stand both tiers were the less populated of any stands for the Bristol game.
It's 2017 and we need to let fans mingle freely like they do in the cricket club. Lincoln will be used to fans sharing the same stands in non league.
It's the best option for me to make it a great atmosphere and a sell out. I take your point about it being the designated family stand but their seems an awful lot of kids in the other stands as well these days.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:41 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:4000 in the CFS is more than enough. 1000 in the Bob Lord as well? Come on now you can't be serious?

I'm sure that's not what Spice is saying. He's saying give them the usual League allocation in the CFS and an extra K in the Lord Bob. That way we get to keep our fans in the CFS.

As it happens, is give them the usual League allocation. We don't need the revenue from the game as much as them, and I don't want to give them the advantage of a massive away following.
This year is a genuine chance for us to progress. It's our Fairytale too.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:45 pm

As per the other thread, it would be madness to give Lincoln anything over our usual away allocation

As other posters have already stated, the new partition wall within the CFS surely changes what was the case and now is the case with regards a fully segregated area.

Although the stand may be separate from the other three, it now has two separate entrances hundreds of yards apart. Policing and stewarding wise, this then creates the situation where Belvedere Road will have to be shut off to home fans, as per the Blackburn games recently, and Lincoln fans have sole use of the road running past the cricket club to the Longside.

This means that if the club don't stand their ground and insist that the only safe segregation is the 2,400 we provide as standard, we'll have potentially 14,500 Burnley fans from the Longside and Jimmy Mac stands entering and exiting through the narrow gap by the club shop. That's not safe.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:54 pm

Usual allocation, citing health and safety.

Nothing against Lincoln btw, its just the precedent it sets.

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:59 pm

I always thought the rule was that you must give 15% of your stadium capacity to away fans in the FA Cup but a quick Google has found,

"FA Cup rules allow for an away allocation of up to 15% of the home stadium. However this is subject to the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG) agreeing to that ticket allocation number."

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:03 pm

By "up to", they mean that an away club can decide how many it wants up to a maximum of 15%, but if it asks for 15% then it can have it, subject to safety concerns. Above, 15% and it is at the discretion of the home club.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:03 pm

Some of us on here remember the Wimbledon game and it still hurts. Why give the opposition any form of help re the game. If they want more tickets give them the Jimmy mac and we will get all the CFS.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:03 pm

Give them the away fans usual allotment with the proviso to give them more if they sell out.
Working block by block across the CFS. If they can sell them all good luck to them.
We shouldn't be looking for CFS support to beat a non league time.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:10 pm

2400 sounds about right to me.

Besides which we haven't got home fans back in the CFS after all these years simply to give it up again just because a non-league club asks for more tickets for a one-off cup-tie.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:12 pm

claretspice wrote:By "up to", they mean that an away club can decide how many it wants up to a maximum of 15%, but if it asks for 15% then it can have it, subject to safety concerns. Above, 15% and it is at the discretion of the home club.

There most definitely are safety concerns though

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:13 pm

Believe it or not we have managed to win games when the CFS has been full of away fans and we've managed to lose games when the CFS was full of home fans.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:13 pm

minnieclaret wrote: We shouldn't be looking for CFS support to beat a non league time.

This definitely.

Giving them the whole of the Cricket Field will hopefully see us get near a full house.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:14 pm

minnieclaret wrote:Give them the away fans usual allotment with the proviso to give them more if they sell out.
Working block by block across the CFS. If they can sell them all good luck to them.
We shouldn't be looking for CFS support to beat a non league time.

I know the cricket field isn't the most salubrious of stands Minnie, but its a bit better than an allotment..

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:15 pm

For those who keep shouting 'PRECEDENT!', we have actually done this before, chaps:

FA Cup third round in 1991 against Manchester City when season ticket holders were turfed out of the CFS (at a time when the CFS was home fans only) to accommodate the anticipated number of City fans. I don't recall that this set a precedent in 1992 when Derby, then riding high in the Second, visited Turf Moor on third round day. We didn't vacate the CFS in 1993 when Sheffield United (First Division) visited Turf Moor, nor did we do so in 1995 when Liverpool visited on fourth round day.

My view is that we should give Lincoln the entire CFS. If the club is going to charge the normal match-day prices as opposed to £10, I doubt we'll fill the ground anyway.