Lincoln's Goal.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:45 am

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned but after seeing the replay several times now, I don't think it crossed the line, not the whole of the ball anyway.

Have we been cheated again?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:47 am

Straighten your tele

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:47 am

Ha....only about a yard. Wind up!

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:47 am

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:48 am

It was about 2 'balls' over the line.

4 Defenders on the line and Tom stood inside the net for whatever reason made it even harder to bear but they quite rightly got the result they deserved.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:50 am

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kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:50 am

The only thing that was wrong with the goal was the acres of space that we gave to the guy who headed the ball back across goal!

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:50 am

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:51 am

Ref had goal line technology to tell him it was over - though the replay showed it was - Tom would have got it if Flanagan was not in the way

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:51 am

Shouldn't have been a corner though as it clearly came of their player, and from almost every angle it was clear as day. Oh well....

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:52 am

110% over the line..

There was a Lincoln handball for their goal..
( shown this morning on MOTD).

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:53 am

That picture is still inconclusive.

Robbed.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:54 am

The big question should be how their player managed to get so much space.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:55 am

Diesel wrote:That picture is still inconclusive.

Robbed.

This help?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:56 pm

Thought it at the time, with all those bodies crowding Tom out on that post, you'd have thought we could have covered that lad stood on his own to head it back across goal.
But it epitomised our rank poor display.

Anyway, there's always next year!

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:01 pm

A few of the players were licking their fingers and burping when they came out for the second half, Heaton definitely had chilli sauce on his chin and on the front of his shirt when he appeared.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:12 pm

Not that it was needed but, why did MOTD show the "Goal Decision Cam"?

This technology isn't used for FA cup. Was is simple a case case of "we have the facility we are going to use it"?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:12 pm

Genuine question though, why is goal line technology allowed in the FA cup, seeing as it's only available at certain grounds.

Obviously no gripes about the goal being given.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:13 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Not that it was needed but, why did MOTD show the "Goal Decision Cam"?

This technology isn't used for FA cup. Was is simple a case case of "we have the facility we are going to use it"?

Ref pointed to his watch to suggest the technology had been used.

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:27 pm

I am sure I read an article online last year that said that something called VAR (video assistant referee) was going to be used in the FA Cup this season.

This involves someone pitch side with instant access to multiple camera angles, who could then 'buzz' a device on the referee's arm to signify goal or no goal.

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:28 pm

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alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:36 pm

kaptin1 wrote:The only thing that was wrong with the goal was the acres of space that we gave to the guy who headed the ball back across goal!

They'd tried that tactic for 3 corners prior and we still left him with no one within 10 yards of him

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:38 pm

Having said that, the graphic shown on match of the day last night suggested that the Premier League goal line technology was used. If that's the case, I don't feel technology should be used that can't be used in all games in the competition.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:15 pm

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:If that's the case, I don't feel technology should be used that can't be used in all games in the competition.

Why do you feel like that? What is the downside to getting more decisions right (where possible)?

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Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:17 pm

I just feel that you need to have the same technology available at every game within the same competition in the same season.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:24 pm

Fair enough. When HawkEye was first introduced at Wimbledon it was only on the show courts. Not saying that changes your opinion but there is precedent for selective use of technology within a competition.

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Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:25 pm

I was more annoyed with the fact a player had 8.2 yards of free space to head back across goal, seen better defending by ****** up players at Townley on a Sunday morning

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:I just feel that you need to have the same technology available at every game within the same competition in the same season.

A fair opinion, but there are a number of non league clubs taking part where there may not be the facilities to mount the required technology, let alone the cost.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:34 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Why do you feel like that? What is the downside to getting more decisions right (where possible)?

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Probably because of a lack of continuity. No issue with right decisions being made. But its akin to having linesman at the big grounds but not at the smaller sides.

No issue with the goal. But the same mechanisms to officiate the game should be used at all games. Either all use it or none. For example Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal and Spurs wont use it this weekend but us and Boro will. It could have worked in our favour and ive no complaints as it could quite easily worked the other way.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Anyway. Flamagans defending for that has knocked his mark from a 4 to a 2 on my ratings.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:04 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Probably because of a lack of continuity. No issue with right decisions being made. But its akin to having linesman at the big grounds but not at the smaller sides.

But if you only had enough linesmen to officiate at some games, as is often the case in junior football, would you not use them at all? I appreciate there are different opinions on this btw.

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cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:09 pm

Duffer_ wrote:But if you only had enough linesmen to officiate at some games, as is often the case in junior football, would you not use them at all? I appreciate there are different opinions on this btw.

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Im not sure. Possibly not. As its not a level playing field. The decision yesterday could have gone for us.

Or imagine we equalised and we drew them away. Scored in 89th minute in similar circumstances and it transpired that it didnt cross the line.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:16 pm

Fair enough but I think the important point is that the technology applies equally to both teams over the duration of the game. If it's not too disruptive, which I understand is subjective, then I'm in favour of getting more decisions right where possible.

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cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:18 pm

Agree.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:07 pm

I mentioned this in another post.

I hadn't realised that the "goal cam" was in use until seeing the highlights on MOTD and seeing that the linesman didn't signal and then seeing the replay.

I was was under the impression that the same "guidelines" had to be followed throughout the competition and for that reason, because goal line tech isn't available outside the Premier League, wasn't being used.

I've no issue with it as it was obviously the correct decision, but as already mentioned if the same was to happen tomorrow at Sutton or even today at BollEwood then then the "correct" decision may not be made

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Genuine question though, why is goal line technology allowed in the FA cup, seeing as it's only available at certain grounds.

Obviously no gripes about the goal being given.

Most of the FA Cup games don't have a fourth official - it doesn't make it wrong to have in our games. Most of the games don't have a Premier League referee either - though whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is open to argument! Do all FA Cup grounds even have floodlights? I'm not sure of the full rules nowadays.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:04 pm

I'm surprised grounds with artificial turf are eligible from the 1st round onwards to be honest.

Luisfigo · Post by **Luisfigo** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:28 pm

The chap is in all that space to put the ball back across because Barnes is blocked off by Rhead, before the ball comes over. Rhead has no intention of playing the ball - it's clearly a worked - and well drilled - routine to get the guy free for the header back across. Should have been a free kick (but no excuses overall about the performance/result obviously).

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:32 pm

Actually when you see it again it's compounded by the fact that nobody attacks the second ball by the post which gets headed in. Keane and Flanagan in particular both watch him head it when they could (imo) have made a challenge.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:48 pm

Luisfigo wrote:The chap is in all that space to put the ball back across because Barnes is blocked off by Rhead, before the ball comes over. Rhead has no intention of playing the ball - it's clearly a worked - and well drilled - routine to get the guy free for the header back across. Should have been a free kick (but no excuses overall about the performance/result obviously).

..but the delivery has to be right, they (non league) did it every time.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:05 pm

No one needed goal line tech to see that the ball was well over the line.

Interesting that there was handball and final touch by Lincoln player when the ball went out from the first corner. But there was also a Lincoln player pull down - so if not a corner maybe it would have been a penalty.

Lincoln played a good game plan. Rhead got inside Joey's head. They created a dead ball situation and took their chance.

I've no idea why so many defenders were on the line. Is that the usual way we defend corners, or did we lose concentration? It's important that the keeper has got room to move and not get blocked out by his own team.

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Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:19 pm

will be nice to see arsenal hammering them about 40-0.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Nah, Sutton v Lincoln would be surreal.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:44 pm

it crossed the line...if you watch the replays though it should not have been a corner,,,came of the lincoln player last,,,but ce le vie

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:34 am

Think it was Sean that said, 3 mistakes usually gets you in trouble. Everything from the awarding the corner to the ball going in the net was a mistake from our perspective.
It's not the first time, and certainly not the last time we have or will be done from a set piece.
Anyone with an ounce of footballing experience could have put a ball head height into a 10 yard area, and it really was a simple as that.
Sean is so organised, I can't believe it happens as often as it does.
( unless we defend that many, 1 is bound to come off eventually )

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:06 am

Heaton again stuck to his goal line, wish he'd be brave and command his area. It really holds him back and sets him apart from the better keepers. 5 Burnley players on the goal line on the photo posted above, the lad who headed it back across had the freedom of Turf Moor.
I'm sorry but to lose too both Accy Stanley and Lincoln in the same season is an absolute disgrace

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:13 am

should the goal have been allowed came of Lincoln player last, have checked the programe and no player called ce le vie named so that means they used an illegal player, so will we be reinstated in the cup???

nonayclaret · Post by **nonayclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:07 pm

Goalposts wrote:it crossed the line...if you watch the replays though it should not have been a corner,,,came of the lincoln player last,,,but ce le vie

Yes, and double hand ball to boot!