New Order vs Joy Division.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:22 pm

I've passed all my music tastes on to my children. Which has resulted in them not entertaining rubbish music.
However, my son asked me, which is the better band, Joy Division or New Order?
For me there is no question, it's Joy Division.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:23 pm

Monaco

HendricksHair · Post by **HendricksHair** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:23 pm

New order for me

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:25 pm

Wilson Pickett and the Peregrine's

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:27 pm

electronic.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:28 pm

Joy Division.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:36 pm

bobinho wrote:Joy Division.

Go on then bobinho - post your favorite Joy Division song

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:36 pm

new order

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:39 pm

Papabendi wrote:new order

Same to you Papabendi - post your best ever New Order song

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:40 pm

Blue Monday is kne of my fav tunes so thats the way my vote would go.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:41 pm

There's a new order / joy division tribute band on at the grand in Clitheroe this weekend

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:41 pm

Walton wrote:Monaco

David Potts(Potsy) from the band Monaco used to work for me at Barclays Swinton.He left the bank to join 'Revenge'with Peter Hook and later formed 'Monaco'with Peter.They had a couple of top twenty singles but David and Peter fell out.They are back friends again now and David has played with New Order but is I think playing in America or has been.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:41 pm

New Order

Saying that "Love will tear us apart" is better than any New Order track

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:43 pm

David Potts never played with New Order. He is playing with Peter Hook's band the Light and there is a rumour Monaco will reform.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:43 pm

Temptation
Perfect Kiss
Sub Culture
Bizarre Love Triangle
Thieves like us

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:44 pm

I quite like them both .

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:44 pm

Same to you Papabendi - post your best ever New Order song

It changes to be honest mate but Your Silent Face/Age of Consent/The Perfect Kiss are hard to top.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:45 pm

Saying that, I'd forgotten about "Vanishing Point"

Autobahn · Post by **Autobahn** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:46 pm

Joy Division. Everything after made me cringe cept' for Blue Monday.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:46 pm

Papabendi wrote:David Potts never played with New Order. He is playing with Peter Hook's band the Light and there is a rumour Monaco will reform.

Don't think he was ever part of New Order but played just as a guest backing guitarist.He also tried out with Oasis but nothing came of it.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Probably "No Love Lost" for Joy Division and "Ceremony" for New Order, but it depends on my mood.

"24 hours" is great if I'm in the mood for a sing-a-long and on days when I'm spaced, "I remember nothing".

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:49 pm

Joy Division had a much bigger impact on other bands' music.

The remaining members continued to improve their ability to play and compose...

However for me the thing that sets them aside is the emotion in Joy Division, Ian's voice is iconic and his lyrics are thought provoking.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:49 pm

Joy division- new dawn fades
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New order - 1963

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Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:51 pm

Prefer New Order at a push, absolutely love Shellshock.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:56 pm

Power, Corruption and Lies still sounds pretty good. You've got to be in the mood for Joy Division.

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:57 pm

Why does one have to be better than the other? They are both good.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:03 pm

WadingInDeeper wrote:Why does one have to be better than the other? They are both good.

I appreciate that, but it's a question asked by a young man in his formative years.
These questions have a bearing on how we move on in life as men

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:06 pm

New order. Right up to fine time

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:09 pm

Tell him not to choose but to appreciate the music both offer, and point out why they are both better than little mix, kanye west etc

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:12 pm

WadingInDeeper wrote:Tell him not to choose but to appreciate the music both offer, and point out why they are both better than little mix, kanye west etc

I promise you, when he played and sang sally cinnamon, I cried

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:16 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Go on then bobinho - post your favorite Joy Division song

I enjoy Shadowplay, and Atmosphere - depending on the atmosphere.

LWTUA was, is, and will remain one of the greatest songs (and tunes) ever written.

Admittedly it's no "Bob Todd", but classic all the same.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:31 pm

bobinho wrote:I enjoy Shadowplay, and Atmosphere - depending on the atmosphere.

LWTUA was, is, and will remain one of the greatest songs (and tunes) ever written.

Admittedly it's no "Bob Todd", but classic all the same.

Atmosphere - One of my best tracks ever

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:51 pm

Have you passed your oven gloves on to your son , HMHB ?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:52 pm

Joy Division brought new sounds and styles, albeit it with a huge pinch of 'experimental' which for me often ended up in more of a noise than great music, with the obvious exception of 'Love will tear us apart'.

There were some good lyrics but in truth, Ian Curtis wasn't much of a singer.

New Order effectively picked up from Joy Division at a time when electronic music was really grabbing hold.

Both bands were of their time and certainly influenced many sounds and styles. With a preference for a 'dancier' sound, I'd opt for New Order who for me produced more quality music.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:53 pm

The Other Two

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:55 pm

To be fair DCW , Joy Division / New Order didn't have a "proper " vocalist between them.

Archie Claret · Post by **Archie Claret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:12 pm

New Order vs Joy Division
On my coupon, a 'bore draw' I'm afraid.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:17 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:To be fair DCW , Joy Division / New Order didn't have a "proper " vocalist between them.

Not sure what "proper" is.

Ian was an emotional singer. I was never sure how much his "off tune" was part of the sound he wanted.

When your themes are largely around discordant emotions it is not quite right to be singing sweetly.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:37 pm

Digital by Joy Division is a classic. along with Transmission another of my favourites.

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:49 pm

I love them both but have to go with Joy Division.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:00 pm

Precisely

Thirteen · Post by **Thirteen** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:18 pm

I have to go along with Digital for Joy Division, so good I've had some of the lyrics tattooed!

I never thought I'd say this but I can't stop listening to Singularity from the 2015 Music Complete album. I heard it first at last summers Glastonbury (on TV). I think it's as good as some of the fantastic 80s New Order tracks. But to be fair I would say both bands are probably my favourite bands of all time. I personally think some of the music is timeless, to think some is approaching 40 years old is amazing. ****! perhaps I'm older than I think I am.

Thirteen · Post by **Thirteen** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:19 pm

Elegia is also a firm favourite.

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:24 pm

This thread is no Novelty more like a means to an end

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:28 pm

For the record New Dawn Fades, one of if not the greatest post punk ditty ever played

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:29 pm

Actually its 2 bands at The Grand Clitheroe this coming Saturday, Transmission are Joy Division tribute band then True Order, no need to elaborate

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Haven't seen a mention of Dead Souls yet. I'd also add She's Lost Control (prefer the 'Peel Sessions' version to Unknown Pleasures) and Interzone - to the quality tracks already mentioned above.

New Order - Ceremony and In A Lonely Place, honourable mention for Hellbent.

Ian Curtis' lyrical genius gives JD the edge as far as I'm concerned but both bands top class

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:25 pm

I like love will tear us apart and.. Love will tear us apart.. And love..

You get the gist..

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:25 pm

Warsaw were best.....
Seriously, it's like comparing fish with snooker tables. Saw Joy Division supporting the Buzzcocks and they were superb. Likewise New Orders Power Corruption & Lies is equally superb. Different for all their same parts. Like the Buzzcocks vs Magazine.

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:27 pm

Electronic