ARTICLE: Stamps, elbows and a manager who doesn’t cry to the media

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:53 pm

Review of last week in the Premier League

See link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/stamps-elbo ... -the-media

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:56 pm

Moanrinho with the memory capacity of a goldfish.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:11 pm

Astonishingly, Bournemouth have reportedly decided to appeal the charge. That football club needs to take a long hard look at itself if it has made that decision

Personally I'm not convinced it was a stamp. He's looking at the ball and Rooney bumps him as he starts to move. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but you can't tell definitively from the video. It's similar to Barton and Kayal which most Burnley fans were convinced was an accident.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:18 pm

aggi wrote:Astonishingly, Bournemouth have reportedly decided to appeal the charge. That football club needs to take a long hard look at itself if it has made that decision

Personally I'm not convinced it was a stamp. He's looking at the ball and Rooney bumps him as he starts to move. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but you can't tell definitively from the video. It's similar to Barton and Kayal which most Burnley fans were convinced was an accident.

It's nothing like Barton and Kayal for me, nothing at all. Mings has one intention there in my view and that's to stamp in Ibrahimovic. Barton's, and only he will know what the intent was, saw Kayal raise his leg to make it more difficult to clear him. That from Mings, for me, was a clear stamp on the head. Hopefully a minimum of six games for that one.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:19 pm

Quite right to highlight Mourinho's hypocrisy, all that moaning about Barnes 2 years ago, must be suffering long term memory loss! The refereeing at Old Trafford was abysmal.
Not sure on Wenger now. I was a fan but his contributions to English football over the past 5 years are quite small, has gone on well past his sell-by date.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:21 pm

Harsh to criticise Bournemouth for appealing, the only man who knows if it was intentional or not is Mings himself, for me it doesn't look intentional he was looking at the ball.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:22 pm

I am with Aggi on this one.

His eyes were following the ball, he fell into the melee with Zlatan and Rooney, and was concerned only to get back into a defensive position.

Zlatan on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing, despite the fact that he had no idea it was Mings that trod on his head

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:31 pm

Down_Rover wrote:I am with Aggi on this one.

His eyes were following the ball, he fell into the melee with Zlatan and Rooney, and was concerned only to get back into a defensive position.

Zlatan on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing, despite the fact that he had no idea it was Mings that trod on his head

Zlatan certainly knew what he was doing, I think that is without question. But nothing will convince me that Mings didnt' either. For me that's a cowardly act.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:42 pm

Mings looked where Zlatan was before he took off. I'm not totally convinced he intended to land on his head but he certainly intended to stamp on him wherever he landed. Minimum 6 game ban for me. Plus 1 for the appeal.

Zlatan was just as intentional but he made sure it went into the side of Mings' head rather than his face. 3 game ban for sure.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:47 pm

bfcmik wrote:Mings looked where Zlatan was before he took off. I'm not totally convinced he intended to land on his head but he certainly intended to stamp on him wherever he landed. Minimum 6 game ban for me. Plus 1 for the appeal.

Zlatan was just as intentional but he made sure it went into the side of Mings' head rather than his face. 3 game ban for sure.

That's what convinced me bfcmik, the look before taking off.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:47 pm

I don't know how you can say with absolute certainty he intended to stamp on him.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:48 pm

From a so-called 'generation of street football' there are indeed an increasing number of 'cowards' on show- both on and off the pitch.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:49 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:I don't know how you can say with absolute certainty he intended to stamp on him.

Don't think anyone can - but from the look and his movement my view is that it was intentional. Maybe not his head, but intentional. Had Zlatan not taken revenge with the elbow we wouldn't have heard the last of the stamp yet. Mourinho would have wanted his own TV channel.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:57 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:I don't know how you can say with absolute certainty he intended to stamp on him.

Let me explain for you then.
Because it was, it just was, it was intentional...............

Some of you either need to see an eye specialist asap or remove your head from your ar$e!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's nothing like Barton and Kayal for me, nothing at all. Mings has one intention there in my view and that's to stamp in Ibrahimovic. Barton's, and only he will know what the intent was, saw Kayal raise his leg to make it more difficult to clear him. That from Mings, for me, was a clear stamp on the head. Hopefully a minimum of six games for that one.

Both of them were hurdling a player, both caught the player with their foot on the way down.

I'm not sure how someone can decide that Mings had one intention, to stamp on Ibrahimovic, from the limited evidence there is. There wasn't a particularly unnatural movement of the leg, he looks and then Rooney knocks into him afterwards which may have knocked him off balance, there was an attacker with the ball on the other side of Ibrahimovic so he needed to go in that direction to cut out the attack ...

I'm not saying it wasn't a deliberate stamp but it's very difficult to state unequivocally that it was on the available evidence and I'm not particularly a fan of the guilty until proven innocent premise.

Clarets_mad_4_ever · Post by **Clarets_mad_4_ever** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:03 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:Let me explain for you then.
Because it was, it just was, it was intentional...............

Some of you either need to see an eye specialist asap or remove your head from your ar$e!

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:09 pm

Somebody seems to be crediting Mings with having a working brain cell

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:14 pm

Can't believe he missed is nose. If you're going to stand on someone who's a massive pr1ck like Zlatan, then at least make a mess of his face and make it worth while!

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:27 pm

Mings and Zlatan had been 'at it' for most of the game. At one point Zlatan threw Mings to the ground, and the ref gave them both a talking too.

The stamp followed later. Whilst no-one but Mings can really know his intent the way it happened and this background makes it quite likely. I along with most missed the stamp at the time and only saw Ibrahimovich's elbow. Then followed Surman's weak push from which only Ibrahimovich and Drogba would have been felled.

The way the angles were it looked like the ref couldn't see either incident but his assistant should have seen the elbow I would have thought.

I wondered at half time if refs and managers look at replays of such incidents, or look at Sky/BT to check things. Maybe Mourinho did as he had a word with Mings after half-time.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Ibrahimovic may well have suggested that Mings jumped into his elbow - but he's accepted the charge and will now serve a three match ban

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:00 pm

If either player believed at the time that their actions were accidental, why did neither of them apologise and see how their victims were?

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:36 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:If either player believed at the time that their actions were accidental, why did neither of them apologise and see how their victims were?

Zlatan meant it... mings most certainly meant it,all that rubbish his eyes were on the ball....he could have taken evasive action .

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Ibrahimovic may well have suggested that Mings jumped into his elbow - but he's accepted the charge and will now serve a three match ban

Don't think he had much of a choice it was that conclusive especially with what had happened previously in the game. The mings stamp incident in my book wasn't deliberate. I think both incidents will get treat the same despite Bournemouth appealing there's.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:13 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:If either player believed at the time that their actions were accidental, why did neither of them apologise and see how their victims were?

From looking back at it i think that's the telling thing from Mings. He must have known he'd caught him. You'd check how he was if it was accidental.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:16 pm

I wouldn't like to leave the top off the toothpaste in bob the scutters house !

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:53 am

I've just watched it for the first time. He clearly looks to see him and chooses to jump over him. It's deliberate and deserved the book being thrown at him.

What a dirty git

gogogadgetlegs · Post by **gogogadgetlegs** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:29 am

aggi wrote:Astonishingly, Bournemouth have reportedly decided to appeal the charge. That football club needs to take a long hard look at itself if it has made that decision

Personally I'm not convinced it was a stamp. He's looking at the ball and Rooney bumps him as he starts to move. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but you can't tell definitively from the video. It's similar to Barton and Kayal which most Burnley fans were convinced was an accident.

Rooney was no way involved - he jumped on his head ffs

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:33 pm

Five match ban for Mings

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:14 pm

I find that surprising, partly because it seemed difficult to prove, but mainly the disparity between Ibrahimovic and Ming's bans. It was a blatant elbow clearly intended to injure so I'm not sure why it was deemed less serious.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:23 pm

only 3 match ban for Man U`s Ibrahimovitch................thoughts

JamesSherbourne · Post by **JamesSherbourne** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:26 pm

Mings challenge was awful, how Bournemouth thought it right to appeal is beyond me. Should have been 5 for Zlatan too in my opinion but don't believe it was "quite" as bad. Should be no argument from either side

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:30 pm

Lucky it's only 5 and that he isn't facing criminal charges

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:34 pm

Should have been a lifetime ban,still can't get my head around people saying he didn't mean it.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:35 pm

FCBurnley wrote:only 3 match ban for Man U`s Ibrahimovitch................thoughts

If it meant he misses the game on the Turf...yea it should have been 5

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:37 pm

To understand what Mings should have got - think about if it had been Barton or Roy Keane and what they would have got (though Keane would not have tried to hide it in all probability)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:47 pm

I'm not sure how anyone can say with certainty that Mings meant to stamp on his head. The quicker he gets his feet on the ground the quicker he can get to the ball, and it didn't look like he was aiming for his head so I have a bit of sympathy for him. Barton had a similar situation last season.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:57 pm

Upgraded because of his appeal. Came off injured but must be OK or I don't understand the appeal.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm not sure how anyone can say with certainty that Mings meant to stamp on his head. The quicker he gets his feet on the ground the quicker he can get to the ball, and it didn't look like he was aiming for his head so I have a bit of sympathy for him. Barton had a similar situation last season.

The Barton incident was different in that Barton is trying to hurdle the grounded player when his leg comes up and disrupts Joey's momentum. This was intentional for me, he could have easily cleared Ibra but had no interest in doing so.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:10 pm

minnieclaret wrote:The Barton incident was different in that Barton is trying to hurdle the grounded player when his leg comes up and disrupts Joey's momentum. This was intentional for me, he could have easily cleared Ibra but had no interest in doing so.

This ^

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:33 pm

aggi wrote:I find that surprising, partly because it seemed difficult to prove, but mainly the disparity between Ibrahimovic and Ming's bans. It was a blatant elbow clearly intended to injure so I'm not sure why it was deemed less serious.

More of a smash with the upper arm - it would hurt but certainly nowhere near as dangerous as Mings' stamp on Zlatan's head!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:43 pm

He can't see his head from the position he jumps so to jump on it deliberately without moving his leg to a position which would guarantee getting him is pretty dam good.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:50 pm

Let's be honest, Ibrahimovics' head is that BIG, it's impossible not to land on it.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:56 pm

Ibra no doubt had a word and the ban was a little sterner than his, he picks the team ,scores the goals,decides when to play and generally treads a higher plain than mere mortals.Ibra is the Chuck Norris of football.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:59 pm

50 shades of Grey wrote:Let's be honest, Ibrahimovics' head is that BIG, it's impossible not to land on it.

I heard that players regularly have to duck when he turns his head so they don't get hit by his nose.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:12 pm

Joey vs Ibra - worth the entrance money alone

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:07 pm

No contest zlatan by a knockout!

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:55 pm

Zlatan by a nose

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:13 pm

CleggHall wrote:Quite right to highlight Mourinho's hypocrisy, all that moaning about Barnes 2 years ago, must be suffering long term memory loss!

I was thinking maybe we should revive the old CM 'tw@t' of the week column but then of course Mourinho would probably win it every week.