Dyche has a big problem.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:36 am

Some unbelievably negative posts from the expected posters on here after, what was, a very good performance yesterday.

I read "a poor Liverpool side" above. Seriously? I hope we have as poor a side as that in the near future. Our players do their utmost best home and away against some top class players. If you expected us to have way more than 31 points at this stage and be above more than 8 other teams then I fear your expectations were a little high!

It's so tedious reading "supporters" looking at an individual game and slating players/manager alike when the bigger picture is, by far, more positive. It's as though they feel we should be winning every game we play.

I'll stick to feeling lucky to watch my team compete against some of the top teams and doing a pretty good job instead of berating players and tactics.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:03 pm

claretdom wrote:Good to see the troll has now moved on to it being painful and depressing, this from the same clown who had 1 target at the start of the season which was just to stay up, he wasn't bothered how, just stay up.

I just don't like the style of football, each to their own (or is it not?)
It has absolutely nothing to do with Yesterday because I thought we did quite well for parts of the game against an awful Liverpool side. It's been a problem for me since Dyche's first few games where I had to sit and witness some of the worst negative performances you will ever see (The Hull game at home stands out). For me, the negativity in the system, the lack of trust in players to express themselves going forward hasn't changed regardless of quality of player being brought in. The system 442 ''timewaste and try nick a point away from home'' has produced 0 away wins in 10 month, yet we're still playing the same system. We have lost to Accrington Stanley and Lincoln in the same season and didn't score a goal against either of them, why was that? because they allowed us possession and we're so used to playing with the handbrake on we had no ******* clue what to do with the ball to create a chance apart from knocking it long and hoping Gray can score from scraps. Arsenal showed exactly how to smoke Lincoln, pass the ball round, tire them out and punish them with ease.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:06 pm

As you said "just stay up"

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:Arsenal showed exactly how to smoke Lincoln, pass the ball round, tire them out and punish them with ease.

So you're saying we need to spend a couple of hundred million to be more like Arsenal?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:09 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So you're saying we need to spend a couple of hundred million to be more like Arsenal?

Do you really believe that's how much it will cost to outplay and pass the ball against Lincoln?
I guarantee you, Coyle's Burnley would have beat that Lincoln bunch by at least 4.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:09 pm

Coyle's Burnley went down

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:10 pm

KRBFC wrote:Do you really believe that's how much it will cost to outplay and pass the ball against Lincoln?
I guarantee you, Coyle's Burnley would have beat that Lincoln bunch by at least 4.

They probably would've conceded just as many too.

We lost to a non league team, you need to learn to deal with these things.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:10 pm

claretdom wrote:As you said "just stay up"

And the point stands but this is heading into next season, is the away form going to magically change if we continue playing the same way we have all season?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:11 pm

Ahh so you're moaning now for next season ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:11 pm

KRBFC wrote:And the point stands but this is heading into next season, is the away form going to magically change if we continue playing the same way we have all season?

Depends who's signed in the summer.

Dyche himself acknowleged earlier this season on a TV show that he's limited to the style of football he can play with the lads he had at the time.

You could always show a bit of patience and see what happens.
I know it's an alien concept to you, but try it, you might like it.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:12 pm

claretdom wrote:Ahh so you're moaning now for next season ?

He's a pre-moaner.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:17 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Depends who's signed in the summer.

Dyche himself acknowleged earlier this season on a TV show that he's limited to the style of football he can play with the lads he had at the time.

You could always show a bit of patience and see what happens.
I know it's an alien concept to you, but try it, you might like it.

It doesn't matter who's signed in the summer, the system won't change.
I don't buy this ''we just need pace out wide'' crap because we have signed quality footballers like Brady and Defour yet Defour can't get in the team and Brady has struggled playing with the handbrake on. We were playing the same way in the Championship last season with one of the best squads in the league.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:It doesn't matter who's signed in the summer, the system won't change.
I don't buy this ''we just need pace out wide'' crap because we have signed quality footballers like Brady and Defour yet Defour can't get in the team and Brady has struggled playing with the handbrake on. We were playing the same way in the Championship last season with one of the best squads in the league.

Better squads in the championship have struggled for years to get promoted and Dyche has done it twice.

Look at Stoke though - famed for playing rubbish football, but it kept them up for 7 years and Hughes has changed their style now and the Stoke fans are happier.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:It doesn't matter who's signed in the summer, the system won't change.
I don't buy this ''we just need pace out wide'' crap because we have signed quality footballers like Brady and Defour yet Defour can't get in the team and Brady has struggled playing with the handbrake on.

Defour can't get into the team because he's injured.

We were playing the same way in the Championship last season with one of the best squads in the league.

And we won it as the league's top scorers

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:05 pm

You're Clarets, not Gooners FFS.

This has been, so far, our most successful season in 30 years.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:43 pm

As Jurgen Klopp says no such thing as needing a plan b, as long as the players make plan A work.
To me the first few mins up to us scoring when the ball was put in the channels for Gray and Barnes to run at the LFC defense, after we scored and then in the second half we kept putting it straight through the middle and that was not working.

The one bit I did not understand was putting £13 Million left footed player on the right wing and then finding that it is not that his left foot is a bit more dominant its that he can not kick with any accuracy at all with his right foot.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:15 pm

My LFC supporting MD who was also at the match said 4 things:
1. The Burnley fans are good value; and
2. Liverpool were poor; and
3. Burnley deserved to win; and
4. Snatching at the chances in the 2nd half cost us the game.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:30 pm

I think it's a problem when Mee's the part of any build-up. It's not really his thing.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:51 pm

ontario claret wrote:I think it's a problem when Mee's the part of any build-up. It's not really his thing.

The problem when the team plays out from the back is that the ball usually ends up with the poorest passer, it used to be Duff and before that Easton.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Same old again.

Wonder what tonight's excuses will be?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:56 pm

starting_11 wrote:Same old again.

Wonder what tonight's excuses will be?

Does it matter as we've gained a point on Hull?

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:57 pm

Dyche has made us a great team without the ball. Unfortunately, he's made us an absolutely appalling team when we have it.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:58 pm

starting_11 wrote:Same old again.

Wonder what tonight's excuses will be?

It's another point in front of hull mind... Utc

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:13 pm

And Sunderland have stayed well behind us. Sadly three go down and not two. Would be interesting to see where we are ,form wise, in the last 10 games compared with those below us. Apart from Blunderland and Boro won't be many with fewer than our 9 points.
But if we could get 8 from our last 9- no problems

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:19 pm

Some of the players are as much to blame as SD for this appalling away record
Our ability to retain the ball is almost of schoolboy level and nobody is worse for this than Gray. He made some excellent movement during the game today but he just cannot control the ball. The same can also be said of Barnes, Boyd and Arfield
The manager cannot be blamed for these individual flaws
At least we have now got up to the record of Derby who managed 3 away points in their grand total of 8

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:06 pm

jojomk1 wrote:Some of the players are as much to blame as SD for this appalling away record
Our ability to retain the ball is almost of schoolboy level and nobody is worse for this than Gray. He made some excellent movement during the game today but he just cannot control the ball. The same can also be said of Barnes, Boyd and Arfield
The manager cannot be blamed for these individual flaws
At least we have now got up to the record of Derby who managed 3 away points in their grand total of 8

Players can't be blamed either: lots of commitment, but lack of technical ability upward the pitch.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:31 pm

So we can't blame the players for not winning away?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:35 pm

We were fine today, especially first half.

If Barnes had put in that sitter or Vokes' late chance has fallen to Gray the mood would be totally different.

Fine margins.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:43 pm

Look it seems madness to criticise someone who has done so much for this club, but it has to be said. Sean is now beginning to be full of sound bites, and what we need right now is a clear game plan away from home especially. Some on here think he can do no wrong and I sort of get that...but there is such a thing as a "critical friend" I think he's a great man manager, but he clearly struggles with changing direction when things ain't working. He deserves our loyalty given what he's done... but for me he has to try and start winning games instead of not loosing them.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:45 pm

ewanrob wrote:Look it seems madness to criticise someone who has done so much for this club, but it has to be said. Sean is now beginning to be full of sound bites, and what we need right now is a clear game plan away from home especially. Some on here think he can do no wrong and I sort of get that...but there is such a thing as a "critical friend" I think he's a great man manager, but he clearly struggles with changing direction when things ain't working. He deserves our loyalty given what he's done... but for me he has to try and start winning games instead of not loosing them.

We've won 9 out of 29 games this season, seems like he's trying to me.

How many did you expect us to win?

And I'm sure Klopp said last week that we have the clearest plan of any PL team.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:52 pm

I get what your saying....but no one can defend the away record. Change it at half time for christ sake...why have Defour on the bench...leave 3 up front and scare the living daylights out of them. ... assuming Barnes not injured.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:We've won 9 out of 29 games this season, seems like he's trying to me.

How many did people expect us to win?

I'd expect us to be going forward. As well as with the squad being better. But it's not, it's the same. We had a great run earlier in the season but this has now dried up and we don't look like we're going to win again this season, especially with the home games coming up and having a load of away ones too.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But it seems that all the promise from earlier in the season has faded away and we're no different to 2 years ago.

I want us to stay up, I hope we do but it's going to go down to the wire. All we needed was a couple of wins against either Swansea, Watford, Sunderland and we'd have been through.

If we beat Boro (though i'm not sure we will, or even score a goal if today is anything to go by) we'll be safe as I can assume at least 4 draws after that if not any wins.

At the moment, even when we play with the ball there is very little quality on the wings or midfield to enable us to keep pressing. We seem to be the only team in the league who can turn an attacking opportunity into playing it back to our keeper, who hoofs it out and loses possession.

Up front we can't finish. We don't have anyone who looks like they can finish.

We didn't look like we would have scored today if we had been there till next week, certainly not after the Barnes attempt.

The sad fact is, we haven't added any real depth to our squad and for next season, except for Heaton, Mee and Keane and Barton, I don't think anyone in the team is good enough to be in the PL next year.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:54 pm

ewanrob wrote:I get what your saying....but no one can defend the away record. Change it at half time for christ sake...why have Defour on the bench...leave 3 up front and scare the living daylights out of them. ... assuming Barnes not injured.

Just pretend we've won an away game instead of one of the home games we won if it makes you feel any better.

It really doesn't matter where the points come from.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:02 pm

The big problem SD has is the away form carrying on into next season. If we stay up, and I believe we will, but we fail to win away we'll walk into a new season with the same monkey on our backs. The media will be all over it and it'll add pressure we don't need. A win at Boro, Palace or Bournemouth is crucial in my opinion.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:05 pm

Starting,

How can you say we haven't added any depth to the squad given the strength of our bench today?

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:08 pm

Really don't see any prospect of things changing away from home. That's this season, next season or whenever.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:10 pm

Some people need to get a grip. There's really not much to moan about at all. Especially not enough to warrant another four page thread.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:12 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Really don't see any prospect of things changing away from home. That's this season, next season or whenever.

Something tells me you're a glass half empty sort of person

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Just pretend we've won an away game instead of one of the home games we won if it makes you feel any better.

It really doesn't matter where the points come from.

Your right it doesn't....but don't tell me this isn't doing his scone in. He and only he can change the way we approach an away fixture, as a manager hoping for bigger and better things this is a real issue for him . Anyway onward and upward...I agree it been a great season 6 more points and it's all irrelevant anyway.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:16 pm

taio wrote:Something tells me you're a glass half empty sort of person

Nope, realistic. You seeing much evidence that would suggest that I'm actually wrong ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:18 pm

'Next season or whenever' - yep realistic

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:21 pm

taio wrote:'Next season or whenever' - yep realistic

So I'll take it your answer is "no" to my previous question and we'll leave it at that.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:25 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Starting,

How can you say we haven't added any depth to the squad given the strength of our bench today?

Who was on it, I didn't see. I just saw the same old relaxing the same old with the same old results. Apart from Brady. He's ****!

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:53 pm

This is our best season for 40 years.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:54 pm

Tall Paul wrote:We're in 12th place at the moment, so we actually need six teams to overtake us before we're in the bottom three.

By taking the form over the last 6 games for us and each team below us and assuming no change in form, we will be 16th with 3 games to play.
No win in 6 now, not good.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:By taking the form over the last 6 games for us and each team below us and assuming no change in form, we will be 16th with 3 games to play.
No win in 6 now, not good.

You can't really compare because in the last six games five have been away. The next six are three and three.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:06 pm

Spijed wrote:You can't really compare because in the last six games five have been away. The next six are three and three.

Teams are actually allowed to win away, just because we don't.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 pm

We're going to stay up comfortably and that's all that matters this season.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 pm

Still a daft comparison though!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:By taking the form over the last 6 games for us and each team below us and assuming no change in form, we will be 16th with 3 games to play.
No win in 6 now, not good.

And where would we be with no games to play?