Why would SD stay?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:03 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:and you think coaching them within a specific and rigid framework at that age is the best way of doing that?

Where have I said that?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:05 pm

Fair enough I obviously misinterpreted your post so apologies

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:10 pm

Look at it another way.
Yes from most fans point of view SD is the manager they want because he wins things, and that when push comes to shove is the thinking of the modern fan.

And yet at the beginning of the season most on here were in agreement that come what may this would be SD's last at the club.
Relegation and he would be off.
Security and others would be circling.

Well it has the look of security but now no other club would be interested.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:19 pm

Sidney1st wrote:KRBFC doesn't pay attention to other clubs, they've stated as such before.

So its no good pointing out what the squads at other clubs are like for comparisons.

Are you acting stupid by taking my comment out of context purposely? I hope so. Where have you got that I don't pay attention to other clubs from my comment "I don't care what other clubs spend on agent fees"?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:22 pm

Tall Paul wrote:He made one at WBA this season as well, Barnes for Defour.

But let's not let facts get in the way of KRBFC's narrative.

I said "I don't think" the keyword being "think" I obviously couldn't remember off the top of my head a time Dyche has changed things at half time without being forced too. I wasn't claiming it to be factual and was open to being proven wrong.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:49 pm

Not sure what wage Dyche is on but probably not as much as many managers in the Premier League
but will be on a pretty decent bonus if he keeps us up.
I personally don't see him leaving at the end of this season as his project is, as yet, unfinished
unless an offer he just can't refuse comes in. Not certain where and from whom the offer might come in
as there aren't that many clubs likely to be looking.
Possibly Leicester as that would be much closer to his home.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:Grateful for what he's done for the club financially but Imo he's taken us far as he can and I only see things going backwards the longer he stays here. I don't see more progress being made, I don't see an enjoyable style of football being played anytime soon, infact I don't think Dyche has any intention of changing his system/style. He's so stubborn, we are still playing the same formation away from home and guess what... It still hasn't worked. He could learn a thing from some of the best managers with his subs and flexibility, many managers change the game at half time when its clearly not working, I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date.

Agree with the financials and your last sentence. His main failing for me is not being proactive BUT his hands are tied by our squad.
Can't agree with lack of progress. We are better than 2 years ago and if Marney had stayed fit we would be better than last season. He plays his best X1 home and away, we have had some very good performances away that haven't produced the results they deserved. We will be better sgain next year.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I don't think your point about the wage is right.

The rest sounds good though.

I know someone who was very highly involved with the contract of Sean, along with most Premier League managers.

He informs me Sean is being paid very generously.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Are you acting stupid by taking my comment out of context purposely? I hope so. Where have you got that I don't pay attention to other clubs from my comment "I don't care what other clubs spend on agent fees"?

I just found that comment amusing, so I remembered it.

There have been one or two other comments from yourself, I'll try and dig them out, but you do tend to ignore other mitigating factors to suit yourself.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:47 pm

Wexford_Claret wrote:I know someone who was very highly involved with the contract of Sean, along with most Premier League managers.

He informs me Sean is being paid very generously.

Fair enough, but I recall seeing something that showed he wasn't even in the top 10.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:02 pm

He gets the club and the club gets him. That does not happen on many occasions or for very long. There is nothing wrong in going from Burnley to England eventually! Dyche Way. The Sean Dyche Stand etc

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:18 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We've heard that Keane should move to enhance his England chances, so by the same logic shouldn't SD be doing the same.
I really can see no reason why he would wish to stay beyond this season unless it is to prove us doubters wrong and develop a Plan B.

What does Plan B the crap rapper/actor got to do with it?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:21 pm

I would hope that SD would stay purely to pi££ off KBRFC and ablue....

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:35 pm

The thing I think you have to remember is that he is likely to lose some key players, it will be a re-building process and I'm not sure he'll stay to do it all again.

It would appear the ideal time for him to make a break.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:38 pm

Is abc on commission for starting x number of threads per day?
A bit like YouTube where after 8 zillion hits you get £10 or something like.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:41 pm

The only key player that we're likely to lose is Keane.

So shush now, it's bedtime.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:42 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The thing I think you have to remember is that he is likely to lose some key players, it will be a re-building process and I'm not sure he'll stay to do it all again.

It would appear the ideal time for him to make a break.

Remember when you mentioned something about Dyche having no more challenges at Burnley?
You've just mentioned his next challenge, rebuilding, keeping us up and moving forwards.

You probably want him to leave because he's defying your hopeful expectation of relegation.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:03 am

I normally wouldn't want this but its becoming a more and more attractive option to be rid of abc and kbrfc.

The posts they dream up are getting positively boring.

It wouldn't be so bad if they would contribute to the financial side.

I really do not think either attend games ffs.

Enough is really enough.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:05 am

Sidney1st wrote:I just found that comment amusing, so I remembered it.

There have been one or two other comments from yourself, I'll try and dig them out, but you do tend to ignore other mitigating factors to suit yourself.

So you purposely took my comment out of context to suit yourself, oh the irony....

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:05 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:I normally wouldn't want this but its becoming a more and more attractive option to be rid of abc and kbrfc.

The posts they dream up are getting positively boring.

It wouldn't be so bad if they would contribute to the financial side.

I really do not think either attend games ffs.

Enough is really enough.

I reckon it would be boring without them. Disagreeing with posters is all part of it. I vote remain.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 am

Exactly and that is why I disagree with you frank.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:24 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:Exactly and that is why I disagree with you frank.

Then add me to your Foe list. Common sense isn't common.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:53 am

Unbelievably I think I have to agree with abc and KRBFC on a few points.

Firstly, SD might have taken us as far as he can. Safe in the PL. But I'll take that. And I'll take it for a few more years.
Secondly, SD is stubborn. And sticks to his favourite formation. And tactics. And his "old guard" of players. And he is the opposite of proactive when it comes to substitutions most of the time. And I think this is a fault to a certain extent. I think he is tactically limited. And I don't think this will help us attract more Steven Defour type quality players. And when it comes to match day, makes games a little dull sometimes. But look at the big picture. I refer you to point 1 above. We are very close to being a PL team again next season.

I think we are a good fit for Dyche. And he is a good fit for us. I don't think he will necessarily be with us in 3-4 years. If we are still in the PL another club may have snatched him. And he may well fail with them. But when it comes to football, the grass is rarely greener on the other side. I have to say, I'm not Dyche's biggest fan. But you'd have to be downright delusional to think we would be better off without him if we stay up.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:01 am

KRBFC wrote:So you purposely took my comment out of context to suit yourself, oh the irony....

I just use it to mock you with.

Same when you ignore other mitigating circumstances to suit your Dyche out campaign

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:18 am

You have to wonder who would take SD in the PL currently. His away record in this league is pitiful and it won't go unnoticed. I make it he's managed 36 away games so far in the PL and won 3, a nice 1 in 12 record. Yes his home record will impress most but I suspect the away record will be enough to put some off. I can see him staying for a couple more years, building on what he's achieved here and eventually moving onto a club like West Brom once he has a bit more experience. He'd be a natural fit after Pulis in my opinion.

alicante claret · Post by **alicante claret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:47 am

It appears to me that he has an excellent working relationship with the Board. Every aspect of the club appears to show some SD influence, is he likely to get that elsewhere? Not immediately he moves in. The experience of Moyes and United have shown grass is not greener. I can see him staying as long as we progress.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:04 am

I'm changing my mind on whether SD will be going anywhere to be honest.

Where can he go from here with his record that is an upgrade from us?

He isn't going to get any of the top seven jobs and jobs like Stoke and WBA (which might be an upgrade for him) are not going to be available.

And he has job security, a very rare commodity these days and next season the biggest budget in our history.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:32 am

It may be he's tempted by a new challenge, and goes back into the Championship, I know that sounds odd but it actually might be his best move, taking on a club with a big fan base and eventually having the resources to really express himself.
The reality is we are likely to find next season a lot more difficult, particularly if our defence is depleted, SD builds his sides on defence seeing that fall away might be the trigger for a move.
Another relegation on his CV might not be so pleasing as taking a great old club back into the Premier League.
I think he needs a new challenge, he may not.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:34 am

Sidney I predicted a top 10 finish, as I have often said I think SD an excellent manager, who would doubt that, but for me an ultimately frustrating one because I believe he could do better.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:38 am

The bloke has shown 100% commitment to his principles, his players, the club and the fans. He knows exactly what he is doing and has, no doubt, the precise details of exactly what his side will need to survive and even progress next season. Blind loyalty, no - dogged pragmatism using limited resources, absolutely.
We don't know how lucky we are.
UTC

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:47 am

No one doubts he's a good manager Eddie, just as we don't doubt Keane is a good centre half but there comes a time when it is better to move on if you are going to realise your ambitions.
People have put forward reasons why SD might stay and they could be right but if they are it tells us something about him and other clubs feelings about him.
I think he has proved himself here, and although it's possible to take this club forward and make it a top 10 club he hasn't really put the means in place nor recruited the players to do so, so for me it's time to hand over the baton, and for him and the club to take on new challenges, it will probably be tough for both.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:53 am

ablueclaret wrote:Sidney I predicted a top 10 finish, as I have often said I think SD an excellent manager, who would doubt that, but for me an ultimately frustrating one because I believe he could do better.

That's because you never give credit for what people do right, you just pick holes in what could have been done better. You're after a manager who does everything perfectly - he doesn't exist.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:57 am

ablueclaret wrote:No one doubts he's a good manager Eddie, just as we don't doubt Keane is a good centre half but there comes a time when it is better to move on if you are going to realise your ambitions.
People have put forward reasons why SD might stay and they could be right but if they are it tells us something about him and other clubs feelings about him.
I think he has proved himself here, and although it's possible to take this club forward and make it a top 10 club he hasn't really put the means in place nor recruited the players to do so, so for me it's time to hand over the baton, and for him and the club to take on new challenges, it will probably be tough for both.

When you say he hasn't put the means in place to make Burnley a top ten club, are you suggesting that getting promotion to the Premier League and (hopefully) keeping us up, are not part of the process of becoming a top ten club? How long exactly do you think it takes for a club with no spare cash in the middle of the Championship to become established as a top ten club? Take a look at the current top ten and see where they were four years ago; and in the case of Watford, how much extra cash they've had to spend.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:57 am

"Why would SD stay?"

To sample Joey's omelette in the return fixture

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:09 am

Sidney1st wrote:I just use it to mock you with.

Same when you ignore other mitigating circumstances to suit your Dyche out campaign

I want change, not necessarily a change of manager but change. The Dyche out stuff is OTT to wind a few gullible emotional posters up, like yourself.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:11 am

The Board has I believe been as culpable as SD in not getting the policy right, it was fairly obvious several years ago that the way forward was not through the youth policy but by buying young players in and developing them, unfortunately we got caught somewhere in between. Added to that the reluctance of SD to try out young players, in part of course due to the fact that he has except for the first year always been engaged in promotion or relegation battles.
However the recruitment this season has not really pushed the club any further forward, big money for good Championship players, other than Defour another badly researched European buy.
So for me we are not in the advantageous place we might have been if we had recruited someone to oversee recruitment and club integration.
Despite our vaunted position we are some way behind the curve and anyone taking over from SD will have issues. It is SD's club but with no pathway beyond him.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:30 am

KRBFC wrote:I want change, not necessarily a change of manager but change. The Dyche out stuff is OTT to wind a few gullible emotional posters up, like yourself.

I don't tend to get wound up, I'll discuss it with you in a fair manner and take on board your opinions, but I don't fret about what you've said during those chats when I'm not on here.

You do make some valid points at times though, I'll give you that.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:39 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I don't tend to get wound up, I'll discuss it with you in a fair manner and take on board your opinions, but I don't fret about what you've said during those chats when I'm not on here.

You do make some valid points at times though, I'll give you that.

I thank you for feeding my ego.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:I thank you for feeding my ego.

As you say, I'm here for KRBFC

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