Lancashire League Cricket

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:36 am

Can anyone help please? The Lancashire League website seems to be down. Were any games played this weekend, or did the weather win?

Cheers.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:50 am

Great Harwood 73-5 (18 overs) Colne did not bat.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:59 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Can anyone help please? The Lancashire League website seems to be down. Were any games played this weekend, or did the weather win?

Cheers.

All rained off today as it has not stopped raining from dawn until darkness.

So Accrington are top of the league.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:06 am

Apart from Nelson, who start next week.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:13 am

Cheers thanks. Are they replaying these fixtures or not this season?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:40 am

I would have thought so as in the good old days we used to replay any postponed 3 games.

These are the new rules and I know I am old but who the hell wrote these?

2. (9) MATCHES, CHAMPIONS, AND CUP
2.1. The Clubs engaged in the competition must play home and away matches with each other during the season, and the Club having scored the most points at the end of the season shall be considered the League Champions for that year and shall be entitled to hold for the following season the silver Challenge Cup and the League Championship Flag presented by the League.
2.2.1. In the event of two or more Clubs at the head of the League Table having scored the same number of points they must play off for the Championship. The venue for the Play Off shall be the ground of one of the two Clubs involved. This shall be decided by the toss of a coin.
2.2.2. Time of play shall be arranged by the League Committee and the nett gate receipts shall be divided equally between the competing Clubs and the League.
2.2.3. The two teams in the final tie shall both receive Mementoes of equal value and the losing side shall be entitled to hold the Holland Cup for the following season. Each Club engaged in the final tie must make its own arrangements with its Professional and any payment to him must come from the Club’s share of the gate. Should the Club not be able to make a satisfactory arrangement with its Professional, the Executive Committee shall have power, after full enquiry, to grant permission for a suitable specified substitute to be engaged.
2.3. In the event of a play-off for the Championship not being necessary the Club having scored the next highest number of points to the League Champions shall be entitled to hold the Holland Cup for the following season. If two or more Clubs next in the League Table to the Champions have scored the same number of points, the Club having won the most matches shall be declared the winners of the Holland Cup. If equal matches have been won then the Club having the most bonus points shall be awarded the Holland Cup. If two or more of such Clubs have identical records the Cup shall be held as may be directed by the League Committee.
2.4. If any other teams are equal on points, positions will be determined by the greater number of games won, if still equal by the greater number of net bonus points received (net bonus points are classed as any batting or bowling bonus points achieved, less any points deducted during the season). If two or more Clubs cannot be separated by these calculations, then the League Executive will determine the final positions.
2.5. The Cups will remain in bank vaults until required for presentation. Once requested by the Secretary, Cups and photographs must be returned within seven days with cups duly engraved and thoroughly cleaned. Any club failing to comply with any aspect of this Rule shall be fined (Category 2 Rule B5(e)). In the event of Cups being returned in a damaged condition the Club responsible shall bear the full cost of the repairs.
2.6. The League Championship Flag and the 2nd XI Championship Flag shall be returned to the Secretary at the League Meeting in September and failure to do so shall attract a fine (Category 2 Rule B5(e)).

3. (10) MATCH RULES
3.1. All senior and 2nd XI League games shall commence at 1.00pm (12.30pm for all matches played in the last four week-ends of the season). The home Club shall be responsible for providing team sheets to be completed by each Captain highlighting any players under the age of 19 on 31st August in the previous year with their Dates of Birth and to be handed to the Umpires at least 15 minutes before the commencement of the game.
3.2. A game shall consist of 100 overs. Each side shall be entitled to receive a maximum of 50 overs. A declaration shall not be permitted.
3.2.1. One bowler shall be allowed to bowl a maximum of 15 overs. All other bowlers shall bowl a maximum of 13 overs. The number of overs shall not be reduced in rain affected matches.
3.2.2. In Second Eleven Matches, THE GAME - shall consist of 90 overs. Each side shall be entitled to receive a maximum of 45 overs.
3.3. When a game is delayed or interrupted by ground and/or weather conditions, overs shall be deducted as follows:
i) If a start is delayed by weather conditions, one over shall be deducted from each side for every seven minutes lost during the first innings.
ii) In a game which starts on time but is interrupted by weather or injury to or ill-health of any player, umpire or scorer, one over shall be deducted from each side for every seven minutes lost time during the first innings.
iii) In the second innings if weather or injury to or ill-health of any player, umpire or scorer, interrupts play, one over shall be deducted for every three and a half minutes lost time during that innings. Provided that no such deduction shall be made until any time saved in the first innings has elapsed. n.b. time will be saved whenever the first innings ends before 4:35 pm (4:05pm in September). (In second team matches 4:00 or 3:30 in September)
iv) No over shall be deducted for time lost for any reason other than weather or injuries to players and/or officials. The second innings will be deemed to have commenced upon completion of the interval between innings.
v) A minimum of 20 full overs per team must be bowled to constitute a completed game unless a result has already been achieved.
vi) If the delay prior to the start of the game is such that it is deemed by umpires that there will not be sufficient time for the Team batting second to receive its full complement of 20 overs, then the game shall not be commenced. If there is a delay or further delay occurring after the commencement of the game such that it is deemed that there is not sufficient time for the Team batting second to receive its full complement of 20 overs then the game shall be declared an uncompleted match. However either Captain shall have the right to continue with the match on the basis that (a) their opponent’s total can be passed within the overs to be received or (b) their opponents can be totally dismissed within the number of overs to be bowled. Thus it is possible for a definite result to be achieved in a match where the side batting last becomes entitled to receive less than 20 overs
vii) If a start is delayed by weather a match shall not commence after 4.30pm (4:00 pm in September) (In second team matches 3:55 or 3:20 in September). The reason being that the time allowed will not permit the minimum 20 overs to be bowled. It will be declared a “no result”.
viii) During a match: ground, weather and/or light conditions, injury/illness to players/officials, may cause the deduction of overs from either/both innings. All calculations for the deduction of overs are based on “Time Lost”. For the purpose of this rule, all references to “Time Lost” are to be calculated as follows. “Time Lost” will be the number of minutes counted from the start of any interruption or delay, to the time agreed by the Umpires for play to start or re-start. This means that if play should start /re-start earlier or later than the designated time decided by the Umpires, the original calculation will remain unchanged.
3.4. In a game delayed or interrupted by ground and/or weather conditions providing time allows the side batting second to receive 20 or more overs (it being acknowledged that the Team may not need to receive the said number of overs to pass the first innings score and thereby win the match) the target score to be achieved by the side batting second shall be calculated on the following basis:
i) Divide the runs scored in the first innings by the number of overs received in order to arrive at the first innings runs per over rate. (For this purpose any part over received shall constitute a full over). In the event of a side being dismissed within the total number of overs that it was entitled to receive in the time allotted for the first innings, the run rate will be calculated by dividing the runs scored by the total number of overs which the Team was entitled to have received rather than the number of overs actually received.
ii) Calculate 75% of the runs per over rate in i) above. iii) Multiply the reduced run rate at ii) by the number of overs lost in the second innings.
iv) Calculate the reduced target to be achieved by the Team batting second by deducting the figure arrived in iii) from the first innings total. The overs will still be reduced during an early tea break. In dealing with this calculation run rates should be calculated to the second decimal place and the amended target score will always be rounded up to the next whole number. When the 1st innings score is rounded up to the next whole number, the side batting 2nd must achieve the new target score to achieve victory. Failure to do so will result in a win for the team batting first (i.e. a tie is not possible when the score has been rounded up).
SEE EXAMPLES BELOW
First Number
Inns ÷ of =? x 75% =? x lost =? Take from
Total overs total
200 ÷ 50 = 4 x 75% = 3 x20 = 60 from 200 = 141
152 ÷ 42 = 3.6 x 75% = 2.7 x8 = 21.7 from 152 = 131
190 ÷ 50 = 3.8 x 75% = 2.85 x12 = 34.2 from 190 = 156
140 ÷ 50 = 2.8 x 75% = 2.1 x15 = 31.5 from 140 = 109
110 ÷ 50 = 2.2 x 75% = 1.65 x10 = 16.5 from 110 = 94
160 ÷ 45 = 3.55 x 75% = 2.66 x5 = 13.3 from 160 = 147
If after the commencement of the second innings further time/overs is/are lost then the target score must be recalculated.
3.5. Any over not completed either through injury to the bowler or any other reason shall be completed by another bowler. Subject to the following numerical restrictions . Note that a part over bowled by a bowler will be considered as a full over in respect of that particular bowler's allocation. Where an innings is interrupted, and overs are lost , the number of overs permitted to be bowled by an individual bowler will reduce as the available overs for that innings reduce. As follows.
40– 44 overs remaining. One bowler may bowl 13 & other bowlers 11
35 – 39 overs 11 & 9
30 – 34 overs 10 & 8
25 – 29 overs 8 & 6
20 – 24 overs 7 & 5 alt 6 and 5
15 - 19 6 + 4 alt 5 and 4
10 - 14 5 +3 alt 4 and 2
5 - 9 3 +2
2 - 4 1 +1

3.6. The interval between innings shall be 25 minutes. This will be reduced to 10 minutes in any match affected by ground or weather conditions provided that the two Captains agree to take tea during stoppage in play during the first innings of the match and so inform the umpires before taking tea. In these circumstances the Teams will not retake the field until the expiration of the said 10 minutes, even if the Umpires in the meantime deem conditions fit for play to resume.
3.7. Up to but no more than two drink breaks of no more than 2 minutes duration shall be allowed in any one innings provided always that this has been agreed between the Captains and Umpires before the start of the game.
3.8. In the second innings bonus points shall be awarded to the losing team as follows:-
Bowling - Wickets taken
5 Wickets 1 Point
6 Wickets 2 Points
7 Wickets 3 Points
8 Wickets 4 Points
9 Wickets 5 Points
Batting - Points will be awarded for getting within so many runs of the first
innings total as follows:-
50 1 Point
40 2 Points
30 3 Points
20 4 Points
10 5 Points
At the close of the first innings, the Umpires shall check and agree with the scorers the total scored by the team batting first and the target score required by the team batting second. In rain affected games bonus points will be awarded from the amended total and not the original total.
3.9. In a completed game, in addition to any bonus points earned by the losing side in the second innings, the following points shall be awarded:-
Win 10 points or
Tie 7 points (scores tied irrespective of number of wickets taken/lost) and
to any side bowling out the opposition 2 points
In any uncompleted Game 3 points only shall be awarded to each team
3.10. Deduction of Points
a) Fielding sides are expected to bowl their overs at an average rate of 16 per hour. Teams will incur a one point penalty from their league total points should the umpire indicate on their match report that a slow over rate penalty is appropriate (see table below). This over rate penalty only applies to an innings of more than 40 overs duration.
b) If a batting side is found to be deliberately wasting time (eg, failing to cross on the field of play or not being in a position to receive the delivery when the bowler is ready) the side shall lose a point. This to be reported on the match report sheet by the Umpires if they think that the batsman’s actions are deliberate.
OVER RATE –
1 over = 3 min 45 sec
2 overs = 7 min 30 sec
3 overs = 11 min 15 sec
4 overs = 15 mins
5 overs = 18 mins 45 sec
6 overs = 22 mins 30 sec
7 overs = 26 mins 15 sec
8 overs = 30 mins
9 overs = 33 mins 45 sec
10 overs = 37 mins 30 sec
11 overs = 41 mins 15 sec
12 overs = 45 mins
13 overs = 48 mins 45 sec
14 overs = 52 mins 30 sec
15 overs = 56 mins 15 sec
16 overs = 1 hr
17 overs = 1 hr 3 mins 45 sec
18 overs = 1 hr 7 mins 30 sec
19 overs = 1 hr 11 mins 15 sec
20 overs = 1 hr 15 mins
21 overs = 1 hr 18 mins 45 sec
22 overs = 1 hr 22 mins 30 sec
23 overs = 1 hr 26 mins 15 sec
24 overs = 1 hr 30 mins
25 overs = 1 hr 33 mins 45 sec
26 overs = 1 hr 37 mins 30 sec
27 overs = 1 hr 41 mins 15 sec
28 overs = 1 hr 45 mins
29 overs = 1 hr 48 mins 45 sec
30 overs = 1 hr 52 mins 30 sec
31 overs = 1 hr 56 mins 15 sec
32 overs = 2 hrs
33 overs = 2 hrs 3 mins 45 sec
34 overs = 2 hrs 7 mins 30 sec
35 overs = 2 hrs 11 mins 15 sec
36 overs = 2 hrs 15 mins
37 overs = 2 hrs 18 mins 45 sec
38 overs = 2 hrs 22 mins 30 sec
39 overs = 2 hrs 26 mins 15 sec
40 overs = 2 hrs 30 mins
41 overs = 2 hrs 33 mins 45 sec
42 overs = 2 hrs 37 mins 30 sec
43 overs = 2 hrs 41 mins 15 sec
44 overs = 2 hrs 45 mins
45 overs = 2 hrs 48 mins 45 sec
46 overs = 2 hrs 52 mins 30 sec
47 overs = 2 hrs 56 mins 15 sec
48 overs = 3 hrs
49 overs = 3 hrs 3 mins 45 sec
50 overs = 3 hrs 7 mins 30 sec

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:46 am

Not sure how you did things in you're day ty. But we tend to look at the index the read the rule we need to rather than read all the lot! Usually takes 30 seconds to a minute!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:46 am

Thanks Ty. I'd read that but the bank holiday is only one day!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:11 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Cheers thanks. Are they replaying these fixtures or not this season?

No.

(Not as detailed as ty's response, but easier to read!

)

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:03 am

The rocky boys joint top and unbeaten!!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:09 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Cheers thanks. Are they replaying these fixtures or not this season?

Don't think they replayed any last year but they certainly aren't this year because I read from one club yesterday that their game had been abandoned and it was three points each.

I know the LL site is down, has been for a few days, so I thought I'd update you all with the league table.

Accrington p 1 pts 3
Bacup p 1 pts 3
Burnley p 1 pts 3
Church p 1 pts 3
Clitheroe p 1 pts 3
Colne p 1 pts 3
Darwen p 1 pts 3
East Lancs p 1 pts 3
Enfield p 1 pts 3
Great Harwood p 1 pts 3
Haslingden p 1 pts 3
Lowerhouse p 1 pts 3
Ramsbottom p 1 pts 3
Rawtenstall p 1 pts 3
Rishton p 1 pts 3
Todmorden p 1 pts 3
Nelson p 0 pts 0

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:15 am

Nelson must be favourites for the league now they have the game advantage?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 am

I would have suspected Nelson might have been frustrated at having to sit out the opening week but I bet they had smiles on their faces yesterday when the rain came down.

I always said it should have remained a Saturday league

Hopey · Post by **Hopey** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:37 am

We're using CricHQ this year, which will show live scores, rather than having to rely on hearsay or Twitter.

Bookmark this link for the weekend - it will have all scores live, with ball by ball updates on there, or obviously, get down and support your team.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:43 pm

Not from this weekend but some of you may recognise the bowler, umpire and possibly one or two other players....

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:22 pm

Bumble bowling and Eli umpiring to start off?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:27 pm

Who is the batting side?

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:16 am

The mighty Colne in sixth position in the league - their highest for some time !!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:31 am

MT03ALG wrote:The mighty Colne in sixth position in the league - their highest for some time !!

We were fifth at the beginning of April last year.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:44 am

I believe the game is Accy v Rawtenstall early 1980s.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:28 am

no sight screens? scandalous.

Elder statesman · Post by **Elder statesman** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:55 am

Phil Pickles fielding for Rawtenstall. He later played for Nelson.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:20 am

Whatever happened to crouching umpires? Why did they use to bend down like that?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:32 am

Elder statesman wrote:Phil Pickles fielding for Rawtenstall. He later played for Nelson.

Were Accy not fielding?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:22 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:no sight screens? scandalous.

Given the angle of the picture, the sight screen wouldn't be in view.

Bumble & Eli on one picture - brilliant.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:31 am

I would hazard a guess the Accy keeper is Billy Rawstron. The batter for Rocky could possibly be Peter Wood but don't remember him batting in glasses (slightly before my time this game)

Defo Phil Pickles the non striker. Actually spoke to Phil last week

Elder statesman · Post by **Elder statesman** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:55 am

Sorry, saw the picture on my phone and thought Phil was fielding.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:05 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:I would hazard a guess the Accy keeper is Billy Rawstron. The batter for Rocky could possibly be Peter Wood but don't remember him batting in glasses (slightly before my time this game)

Defo Phil Pickles the non striker. Actually spoke to Phil last week

Billy Rawstron is a good shout.

I watched and played against Peter Wood for many years and can't ever remember seeing him bat in glasses.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:47 pm

Saw this on twitter and the name rang a bell...

If it's who I think it is there's two faces that are well-known round these parts.
If not, there's just one.

Joey is no kant · Post by **Joey is no kant** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:53 pm

Bumble ?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:53 pm

'Bumble' Lloyd bowling

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:54 pm

Give us a clue. Is it that woman 2nd from the right?

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:55 pm

Leighton James with the bat?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:57 pm

Bumble
Eli
Ivan Lendl

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:09 pm

Bowler is definitely Bumble. "start the car"

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:10 pm

the bowler is indeed bumble, it was him who retweeted it.

the other one was the umpire which dom has got - david evans.

i hadn't spotted the ivan lendl/andy murray/beavis and butthead hybrid initially.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:48 pm

Umpire DP Evans aka Eli

Bowler Bumble

Non Striker Phil Pickles

Keeper I reckon is Billy Rawstron

Batsmen Possibly Peter Wood not convinced though.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:00 pm

Leisure wrote:Give us a clue. Is it that woman 2nd from the right?

That's not a woman, it's Jimmy Saville. (notice hands in pockets)

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:40 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Umpire DP Evans aka Eli

Bowler Bumble

Non Striker Phil Pickles

Keeper I reckon is Billy Rawstron

Batsmen Possibly Peter Wood not convinced though.

It's at Accy and all the details above are correct except the batsman taking strike is Kershaw not Peter Wood.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:44 pm

Kershaw is the batsman

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:53 pm

I got the photo from Eli's son and tweeted it to Bumble. He then retweeted it. I have already posted this photo on the Lancashire League thread.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:16 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I got the photo from Eli's son and tweeted it to Bumble. He then retweeted it. I have already posted this photo on the Lancashire League thread.

ah, apologies herts, i hadn't read this thread.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:30 pm

Kershaw with the glasses remember Viv Richards smashing them once!

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:59 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:ah, apologies herts, i hadn't read this thread.

Not a problem. The photos were some that were rescued from the Accy paper. The rest were binned. Thought people would appreciate the photo of the much missed umpire behind the stumps....

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:18 pm

Looks like they took a quick single.....

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:23 am

Must've been a slow single. Kreshaw is out, I think that's Peter Wood. The spectators have gone on a lap as well! DP is unmoved!

Hopey · Post by **Hopey** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:07 am

Seen as we're on with old photos.

1 point for bowler - obvious
5 points for backing up Batter.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:14 am

Bit blurry on my phone but is the bowler Alan Donald?

Hopey · Post by **Hopey** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:18 am

Correct.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:22 am

Hopey wrote:Seen as we're on with old photos.[/img]

The photo was there because of who the umpire was. He was very much part of the message board until sadly passing away in 2006 and we do like to keep his memory alive.

I've no idea who is on your pic, but do I get any points for the ground being Rishton?