Brighton & Huddersfield

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:08 pm

Have they got enough quality, even with one or two additions, to avoid a swift return to the Championship?

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:11 pm

Think Brighton could have by the time the season starts.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:12 pm

Brighton will be splashing the cash to buy.

Probably be a whole new look to their team when they kick off the PL season.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:14 pm

Brighton will pour money into it, but it's going to boil down to who's the better manager.

Hughton is a nice bloke but is he cut out for PL manager?

Which achievement is better, promotion with Brightons resources or Huddersfield?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:14 pm

Hughton is no mug, Brighton could well survive, me personally I hope they finish rock bottom

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:16 pm

Udders will struggle unless they recruit big style.

Bottom three all season.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:20 pm

If Brighton don't get a decent forward in then they will be struggling for goals.

Huddersfield are already relegated.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:If Brighton don't get a decent forward in then they will be struggling for goals.

Huddersfield are already relegated.

Think they'll get Tammy Abraham then we'll see if he's the real deal.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:30 pm

After our dire away form this season it surely has to be six points from the Huddersfield fixtures.
That said, it's great to see them in the Prem.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:02 pm

May I suggest we worry about ourselves. Our results in the last third of the season were dire, lets hope we go into next season with a stronger 11 and different tactics, because we got found out in the last third of the season.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:07 pm

Huddersfield remind me of us when we won promotion in 2013/14. No doubt they'll be competitive but I think they'll fall short.

Brighton have a PL infrastructure and will probably be in a better position to recruit well, but both teams will be in and around us at the bottom.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:08 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:May I suggest we worry about ourselves. Our results in the last third of the season were dire, lets hope we go into next season with a stronger 11 and different tactics, because we got found out in the last third of the season.

Did we really? I could have sworn we won the matches we had to and tailed off a bit because we were pretty much safe with a few matches to go.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:14 pm

Billyblah wrote: it surely has to be six points from the Huddersfield fixtures.

Bet Liverpool and Everton said the same about us.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:14 pm

Spijed wrote:Did we really? I could have sworn we won the matches we had to and tailed off a bit because we were pretty much safe with a few matches to go.

Two wins from last 16. You'd have to be a bit deluded, or completely blinkered, to think next season isn't going to be even tougher than last.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:19 pm

It will be for everyone.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:21 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:May I suggest we worry about ourselves. Our results in the last third of the season were dire, lets hope we go into next season with a stronger 11 and different tactics, because we got found out in the last third of the season.

Precisely.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:22 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Two wins from last 16. You'd have to be a bit deluded, or completely blinkered, to think next season isn't going to be even tougher than last.

We almost got a point per game (14 points from those 16 matches) so it wasn't like we were struggling to get the points required. These days it looks like 36-37 points will almost certainly keep you up.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:06 pm

Spijed wrote:We almost got a point per game (14 points from those 16 matches) so it wasn't like we were struggling to get the points required. These days it looks like 36-37 points will almost certainly keep you up.

Come on Spijed, you can't believe that less than a point a game is good going?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:16 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Come on Spijed, you can't believe that less than a point a game is good going?

Well, we did play two meaningless games at the end. If either one had had resulted in a win it would have looked a bit different. But it shows that we had plenty to spare and we were never really in any danger of going down. I suspect had we needed more points towards the end we'd have got them.

The fact that we didn't fall into the bottom three (after the first game) probably upset a few as it didn't give them enough ammo to complain about the season!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:19 pm

We finished SIX points clear of the relegation zone. All Clarets fans would have taken that.

I call that good going.

Cornwallclaret · Post by **Cornwallclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:48 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:We finished SIX points clear of the relegation zone. All Clarets fans would have taken that.

I call that good going.

I agree....and 6 points higher would have seen us finish 8th

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:48 pm

Huddersfield deserve their promotion, but are in a very similar situation to we we're when we went up under Coyle. They are a good Championship side but a long way from having a team capable of staying in the Premier League and will be nailed on favourites to go straight back down. I suspect, like we did, they will get some surprise results early on but over the course of the season they are really going to struggle. They were the one team out of the playoff contenders that I wanted to go up as they are the least well equipped to stay up. Both Fulham and Reading have recent Premier League experience, while Wednesday are just a bigger club that would have had a better chance of attracting quality players.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:51 pm

Huddersfield have more of a chance of staying up than we did , they have a chairman who actually puts his own money into the club and not take it out in bonuses or high interest rate payments.

Paint it claret · Post by **Paint it claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:56 pm

Dean hoyles worth 365 million quite a bit more then our director's are I would imagine

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:12 pm

Can see Huddersfield starting strongly because of the way they play, whether they could maintain it will depend on their ability to find a plan b once the PL teams find them out.

Brighton are harder to predict, think they'll be consistent throughout the season but whether that will be enough I'm not sure. Don't think their fans will stick with the team or manager if they're on a bad run and that could be a deciding factor.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:16 pm

Both nailed on to go back down .Gibson isn't a pauper but that didn't help Boro .Hull spent money for fun.
It isn't about whose got the most money it's about getting in a manager who can do the best with what they get.
Nouse in the Premiership has to be painfully earned.Newcastle Brighton and Huddersdield don't have any ,we do

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:19 pm

joey13 wrote:Huddersfield have more of a chance of staying up than we did , they have a chairman who actually puts his own money into the club and not take it out in bonuses or high interest rate payments.

How much did you put in?

Wembley09 · Post by **Wembley09** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:21 pm

Echo what others have said about Brighton, they will splash alot of cash.. and under Houghton I expect them to have more than enough to fight relegation. Be abit like Bournemouth were their first season up imo.

They've splashed alot of cash (in Championship terms) on transfers/wages ever since they moved into their new stadium.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:22 pm

joey13 wrote:they have a chairman who actually puts his own money into the club and not take it out in bonuses or high interest rate payments.

JFW.

Wembley09 · Post by **Wembley09** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:22 pm

Huddersfield I think will be in for a struggle. But I'm sure they will enjoy their moment in the dream league, even if it's only a short stay.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:24 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Both nailed on to go back down .Gibson isn't a pauper but that didn't help Boro .Hull spent money for fun.
It isn't about whose got the most money it's about getting in a manager who can do the best with what they get.
Nouse in the Premiership has to be painfully earned.Newcastle Brighton and Huddersdield don't have any ,we do

Wagner will acquire good potential players from Germany and build a tight motivated squad. We need to concentrate on adding quality to our own club.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:26 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Both nailed on to go back down .Gibson isn't a pauper but that didn't help Boro .Hull spent money for fun.
It isn't about whose got the most money it's about getting in a manager who can do the best with what they get.
Nouse in the Premiership has to be painfully earned.Newcastle Brighton and Huddersdield don't have any ,we do

Newcastle don't have any?
You've seen who their manager is haven't you?
You've seen their squad?
They'll be fine.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:45 pm

joey13 wrote:Huddersfield have more of a chance of staying up than we did , they have a chairman who actually puts his own money into the club and not take it out in bonuses or high interest rate payments.

Don't burnley fans frown on chairmen that do that?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:46 pm

Archer wrote:How much did you put in?

I'll explain, just so it's easier for you to understand
Huddersfields Chairman puts his own money into the club he supports
Our Chairman doesn't
Clear enough for you .

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:51 pm

joey13 wrote:I'll explain, just so it's easier for you to understand
Huddersfields Chairman puts his own money into the club he supports
Our Chairman doesn't
Clear enough for you .

I'll explain something for you.

Our board are trying to ensure the club is run in a self sufficient manner because its actually quite important that it is.
The odd bit of lending here and there, that gets repaid, is better then relying on someone to keep pouring money into a business because it doesn't encourage the business to stand on its own two feet.

If you're struggling with this can I refer you to numerous clubs that are or have been on their arse due to over reliance on a rich owner.
Rovers, Bolton, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Southampton, Liverpool and numerous others.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:06 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'll explain something for you.

Our board are trying to ensure the club is run in a self sufficient manner because its actually quite important that it is.
The odd bit of lending here and there, that gets repaid, is better then relying on someone to keep pouring money into a business because it doesn't encourage the business to stand on its own two feet.

If you're struggling with this can I refer you to numerous clubs that are or have been on their arse due to over reliance on a rich owner.
Rovers, Bolton, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Southampton, Liverpool and numerous others.

I was pointing out a fact , didn't say whether it was right or wrong , but obviously touched a nerve with the sycophants .

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:16 pm

joey13 wrote:Huddersfield have more of a chance of staying up than we did , they have a chairman who actually puts his own money into the club and not take it out in bonuses or high interest rate payments.

joey13 wrote: I was pointing out a fact , didn't say whether it was right or wrong , but obviously touched a nerve with the sycophants .

OK, Boro then.
Gibson pours money into the club, doesn't take it out and even writes it off when required and that worked out well for them this season.

Your first post sounded critical of how our club is run that's all, I merely pointed out the flaws in your comment.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:26 pm

Sidney1st wrote:

Your first post sounded critical of how our club is run that's all, I merely pointed out the flaws in your comment.

And Joey13 being Joey13 didn't like it, so called you a sycophant.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:33 pm

joey13 wrote:I was pointing out a fact , didn't say whether it was right or wrong , but obviously touched a nerve with the sycophants .

You need to get a dictionary, or a better attitude. Expressing approval of what our board of directors has done is not sycophancy; it's a genuine opinion, well founded (IMO) in the club's current position. It may not be an opinion you share, but it's a valid opinion.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:37 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Huddersfield remind me of us when we won promotion in 2013/14. No doubt they'll be competitive but I think they'll fall short.

Not me. Huddersfield got 25 wins, 15 defeats; we got 26 wins, 5 defeats. Huddersfield scored 56, conceded 58; we scored 72, conceded 37. I think Huddersfield are a long way behind us.

I don't even think they're as good as we were in 2009-10. I doubt their chairman will throw in enough of his alleged £350m to make enough of a difference.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:52 pm

I think both will struggle, neither have premier league experience.
Huddersfield will to to emulate us , tight close knit squad try to keep that unity and hope that works.
Don't know what route Brighton will take but I assume throwing lots of money will be the way, maybe hughton will be savvy and try to keep the squad that got them up.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:55 pm

350m relatively speaking is bugger all. He could put all that in to transfers and he would still only be able to afford half of the united team that finished 6th! And thats before hes paid any of their wages.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:04 pm

dsr wrote:Not me. Huddersfield got 25 wins, 15 defeats; we got 26 wins, 5 defeats. Huddersfield scored 56, conceded 58; we scored 72, conceded 37. I think Huddersfield are a long way behind us.

I don't even think they're as good as we were in 2009-10. I doubt their chairman will throw in enough of his alleged £350m to make enough of a difference.

That's fair enough, but I think there is a comparison there in terms of how our successful seasons almost came out of the blue after a couple of years of mediocrity, with a new manager playing a high energy game and getting the best out of players who hadn't really done it anywhere else. The size of the two clubs is also basis for comparison.

I reckon their season will pan out similarly to ours in 2014-15.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:08 pm

I think Brighton will be OK. They play decent football, have a good manager (with previous Premier League experience) and, when they go talking to players can offer them a club in easy range of the capital and in a valued area of the country. Whether that will enough to persuade a decent striker to sign on remains to be seen.

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Tue May 30, 2017 12:38 am

Only thing that will threaten Brighton is a nervous board who sack Hughton prematurely

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Tue May 30, 2017 1:17 am

Huddersfield with a minus 2 goal difference. That says it all. No way they will stay up. BHA might. I hope not.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 30, 2017 1:23 am

a lot will depend on the fixture list too. If you start with

Stoke
Swansea
West Ham
Burnley
Bournemouth

you might get a chance to put points on the board and create confidence and momentum

If you start with
Spurs
Arsenal
Liverpool
Man City
Southampton

you could well be screwed

That unexpected Liverpool win set us up for the season, it doesn't happen too often though

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue May 30, 2017 6:09 am

The more clubs like Huddersfield get into the premier league the better.
Brighton on the other hand you just know are going to have the media gushing all over them.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Tue May 30, 2017 6:57 am

Well done to Huddersfield.

If they have any sense they'll spend minimally and hope they somehow stay up. Would be a massive risk for them to spend big.

On that basis it's my opinion they'll go down.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue May 30, 2017 10:40 am

Will Wagner even be there next season, I have my doubts.

I personally don't think Brighton will throw that much money about, probably more than us but I just cannot see Hughton getting all starry eyed like Karanka did and sign the likes of Valdes and Negredo, One of the reasons Hughton went at Newcastle was because of loyalty to his existing squad rather than the flamboyant signings that were demanded.

We have taken 9 points in 13 games since we played Lincoln. That slump certainly concerns me going into next season and likely losing our best player. We will struggle getting a suitable replacement for Keane at what we are prepared to pay.