Dyche ------->Palace

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:48 pm

a left field manager could be the hoffenheim boss. Looks like he could be a future great.
If we want a short term fit I believe he would keep us in the league for a season or two then move on.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:50 pm

claretdj wrote:Both play the game how it should be played.

I want a manager who knows how to keep us in the Premier league, first and foremost.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:51 pm

Definitely Monk.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't want him to go, but he has to move somewhere to try to match his ambitions.

Guess it all depends on whether he thinks he can do better than Palace.

I expect that he will think he can do better than Palace but not at this moment in time.

It's the next rung up the ladder for him rather than five up too early.

I still think that it would all end in tears if he went to Palace.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:00 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'm just trying to decide which of the two is the most stupid comment.

And you clearly didn't read my response to an earlier comment then...

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:01 pm

We move on with or without Dyche, no 1 man is bigger than the club. If he wants gone, get him gone asap. He will realise the grass is rarely greener like all the players who have left us over the past 15 years, Trippier the only one who has really gone onto better things.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:03 pm

kaptin1 wrote:And you clearly didn't read my response to an earlier comment then...

No I didn't.

If you were just being daft then fair enough.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:08 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I said Garry Monk on the other thread and he'd still be my first choice

Yesterday afternoon he was odds on favourite for Palace, this morning he was odds on favourite for Middlesbrough and now he's odds on favourite for Hull.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:09 pm

I take it the ones suggesting Monk don't take an interest in the championship anymore.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:11 pm

How many more times..SD is not going to fill this vacancy

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:12 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No I didn't.

If you were just being daft then fair enough.

Coyle left for a club that had more money to spend, a better squad and who he thought was 10 years ahead of Burnley. Dyche going to Palace would be similar. It could work out really well for him, but could also go horribly wrong. He has the backing of the board and fans at Burnley, who would be willing to cut him more slack than Palace if performances slip. I'm not sure Palace is a big enough step forward to warrant the risk and, despite their superior squad, they only just finished above us and were the only team we beat home and away all season. This was despite having two managers with much more top flight experience than Dyche.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:15 pm

joey13 wrote:I take it the ones suggesting Monk don't take an interest in the championship anymore.

Who'd be your choice then?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:17 pm

Dyche hasn't gone yet , and no point speculating until it happens, but definitely not Monk

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:18 pm

I'm not massively keen on monk either. Comes across as a bottler when the going gets tough.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:21 pm

joey13 wrote:Dyche hasn't gone yet , and no point speculating until it happens, but definitely not Monk

You must still have an opion on who you would like still? So get off the fence..

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:23 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Coyle left for a club that had more money to spend, a better squad and who he thought was 10 years ahead of Burnley. Dyche going to Palace would be similar.

So you weren't being daft then?

Dyche would have to lie through his teeth for the next two months and tell everyone what sort of man he would be if he sells the club to new players if he jumped ship at the first opportunity...........

Then at the beginning of August get Ian Woan to come out and tell us how Dyche has gone back home to see his mother, then a few days later end up at Palace..............

For it to be anything like as similar.

matucana · Post by **matucana** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:23 pm

Should he depart my bigger concern would be which players would also be following him, Mee, Ward, and Gray, possibly,---- not to mention his backroom team.
Clubs in the lower half of the Prem do try to weaken their competitors/ rivals to give them an advantage. The Board need to be going all out to retain his services and retain stability within the squad by committing resources at a level not previously seen by BFC. 15 of the current PL teams ,including Palace, have an annual wage bill of a minimum of £80m rising to £265m. If we want to be seriously competitive in the PL, this is the level of investment we need to be considering. Since our first excursion into the PL some eight seasons ago the club's combined turnover is approximately £370m of which SD's time as manager has contributed approximately £265m or 70%, a magnificent achievement. It is time to become more competitive like the Stoke's and West Brom's of the League who also had a stuttering start to the PL like ourselves.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:24 pm

monk is not good enough by a long chalk, massive backward step to certain relegation.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:24 pm

I get arguments on both sides. For me Dyche is the best manager I have seen at the helm and want him to stay, that's my heart ruling. Dyche's career is at a tipping point and he should be allowed and be daft not to move on to bigger and better things, as I genuinely feel he will have a part to play in the England set up 1 day, may not be manager but a part of the set up. That is my brain ruling. Either way I would like it done quickly so we can look on to next season.

UTD NNN

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:24 pm

I'm a tad surprised that Palace are suddenly seen as such a step up. If it were an Everton, Southampton or similar then maybe, but aside from a year or two more in this league and deeper pockets, there isn't a world of difference between us and them.

Why can we not aspire to be at least of the level that they aspire to!?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:26 pm

claretdj wrote:You must still have an opion on who you would like still? So get off the fence..

I'm quite happy on the fence until it collapses

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:29 pm

DCWat wrote:I'm a tad surprised that Palace are suddenly seen as such a step up. If it were an Everton, Southampton or similar then maybe, but aside from a year or two more in this league and deeper pockets, there isn't a world of difference between us and them.

Why can we not aspire to be at least of the level that they aspire to!?

You've answered the step up bit with 'deeper pockets'.

That's how the game is and that's the only reason that it's a step up.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:30 pm

I still am unconvinced Dyche is leaving, but if he did go tomorrow I think the need to hit the ground running and "get" the current team demands a manager who has managed in the premier league before and is British. Which probably rules our Wagner although otherwise he's an obvious candidate.

Assuming Chris Hughton and Brendan Rodgers are unavailable, then Monk, Moyes and (hold your nose) Lambert, provided Lowton and Westwood still hold him in sufficiently high regard. British managers who have managed in the Premier League and are actually available doesn't make for a big field. The final name - that i really wouldnt reject out if hand - is Michael Duff, but perhaps it is a year or two too early.

Grimsdale · Post by **Grimsdale** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:34 pm

One quote from Steve Parish I found interesting is
"We have got a personnel and a way of playing. It has served us well. Do we try and change that again? That will inform probably where we go on the list of managers."
Given that Palace play with a 4-3-3 I can't see Dyche being top of their list from a tactical perspective, given his passion for his rigid 4-4-2. Would Benteke be able to play a high pressing game? Townsend and Zaha being instructed to track back more?

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Long thread based on a newspaper article with no quotes and a notoriously volatile betting market.

It'll be reet.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:39 pm

claretspice wrote:I still am unconvinced Dyche is leaving, but if he did go tomorrow I think the need to hit the ground running and "get" the current team demands a manager who has managed in the premier league before and is British. Which probably rules our Wagner although otherwise he's an obvious candidate.

Assuming Chris Hughton and Brendan Rodgers are unavailable, then Monk, Moyes and (hold your nose) Lambert, provided Lowton and Westwood still hold him in sufficiently high regard. British managers who have managed in the Premier League and are actually available doesn't make for a big field. The final name - that i really wouldnt reject out if hand - is Michael Duff, but perhaps it is a year or two too early.

sorry but definately no, he's just a favoured ex claret with the fans, we need a top notch replacement so we can continue at this level.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:44 pm

Grimsdale wrote: Given that Palace play with a 4-3-3 I can't see Dyche being top of their list from a tactical perspective, given his passion for his rigid 4-4-2. Would Benteke be able to play a high pressing game? Townsend and Zaha being instructed to track back more?

Palace don't play any formation, ex managers of theirs have played the formations.

They currently don't have a manager, so it's a blank canvas.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:48 pm

If he was to leave could we keep our goalkeeping coach?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:54 pm

Moyes and Lambert are terrible suggestions. Terrible. Duff also has to be a joke. He has no management experience never mind in the PL.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:55 pm

Waiting for the calls for Graham Alexander. Seriously, they'll be along.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:56 pm

claretspice wrote:I still am unconvinced Dyche is leaving, but if he did go tomorrow I think the need to hit the ground running and "get" the current team demands a manager who has managed in the premier league before and is British. Which probably rules our Wagner although otherwise he's an obvious candidate.

Assuming Chris Hughton and Brendan Rodgers are unavailable, then Monk, Moyes and (hold your nose) Lambert, provided Lowton and Westwood still hold him in sufficiently high regard. British managers who have managed in the Premier League and are actually available doesn't make for a big field. The final name - that i really wouldnt reject out if hand - is Michael Duff, but perhaps it is a year or two too early.

Spice, out of interest why are you ruling out a foreign manager ?

Amex · Post by **Amex** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:56 pm

How about Graham Alexander??

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:57 pm

Moyes and Lambert. Christ.

Why not sling Nigel Adkins and Steve McClaren into the mix whilst we're at it? Peter Reid anyone?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:58 pm

Lambert.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:58 pm

Paul Cook?

Amex · Post by **Amex** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:59 pm

Coyle?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:00 pm

claretspice wrote:The final name - that i really wouldnt reject out if hand - is Michael Duff, but perhaps it is a year or two too early.

Isn't that going down the same route as when we employed Brian Laws, in that he would never had got the job had he not played for us?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:01 pm

Assuming Stan Ternent has retired, we could do worse than sound out Adrian Heath.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:03 pm

You hear the well if he goes he goes then you look at the frightening names to replace him! Part of me is hoping Dyche is using this to increase his summer spending with us. When he does leave I would be expecting a bigger club than Palace.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:07 pm

Monk, Jokanovic, Rowett....If we get really desperate there's always Mike Phelan.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 pm

What about a double act manager Derek Akora the top top top psychic medium and John Bond represented on the bench by a golf club and stewards outfit.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 pm

John Johnson 1605 wrote:Spice, out of interest why are you ruling out a foreign manager ?

Because he's going to inherit and have to work with a squad based on its Britishness (and irishness). Thats the character of the team and we need a manager who can work with it.

As for Duff, the biggest single quality a new manager must have - if we need one - is the ability to command the respect of the squad and work with the basic parameters thst Dyche has established. Duff, from what i understand, ticks all of those boxes. Its not the fact that he played for us per se that makes him an option, its the continuity and leadership he might offer as an inside candidate that does - provided that it is the case (as i believe it is) that Dyche is seen within the game and club as future managerial material.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:13 pm

Michael O'Neill is another name who would do a job..

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:20 pm

If Dyche was to leave this summer it would be a truly bizarre appointment if Duff was to be appointed manager.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:23 pm

What about Steve Bruce?

Has a similar win ratio compared to Dyche. Been told he has no transfer kitty. Left Hull because of lack of support from the owners.

Seems to be able to work with both British and international players..

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:25 pm

clarethomer wrote:What about Steve Bruce?

Has a similar win ratio compared to Dyche. Been told he has no transfer kitty. Left Hull because of lack of support from the owners.

Seems to be able to work with both British and international players..

If he were interested, Bruce would be an excellent candidate. But he has a very decent job already at Villa.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:29 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:If we get really desperate there's always Mike Phelan.

There's a lot worse than Phelan listed above.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:32 pm

claretspice wrote:If he were interested, Bruce would be an excellent candidate. But he has a very decent job already at Villa.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... e-10416675" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

not sure if its all that great..?

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:33 pm

claretspice wrote:Because he's going to inherit and have to work with a squad based on its Britishness (and irishness). Thats the character of the team and we need a manager who can work with it.

As for Duff, the biggest single quality a new manager must have - if we need one - is the ability to command the respect of the squad and work with the basic parameters thst Dyche has established. Duff, from what i understand, ticks all of those boxes. Its not the fact that he played for us per se that makes him an option, its the continuity and leadership he might offer as an inside candidate that does - provided that it is the case (as i believe it is) that Dyche is seen within the game and club as future managerial material.

I think the crucial thing would rest on the appointees ability to speak fluent English. If so I wouldn't rule out a foreign manager, in fact it may well assist in progressing our club.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:44 pm

John Johnson 1605 wrote: I think the crucial thing would rest on the appointees ability to speak fluent English. If so I wouldn't rule out a foreign manager, in fact it may well assist in progressing our club.

I think there's more to it than that. Its about cultural cohesion. There's a danger a manager from a different football culture would be an outsider with the squad and that can't be a good thing. We need to become more internationalist, but thats a gradual process and the current squad is very British. The new manager therefore must be slipped with this - if we need one.