Incident in London

[morpheus2]

So much for Ramadan!

We've already had this discussion on another thread. Jihadi violence spikes during Ramadan. Ramadan is a time for more intensive pious slaughter and it has been so for 1400 years and will continue to be so indefinitely due to the immutability of the scriptures which inspire it. It can only get worse, unless somebody has any bright ideas?

Not all Muslims, not all...

[Goalposts]

The west is paying a price for interfering in other peoples back yards.it won't end any time soon.

Utter ********.

This is simple minded , easily influenced retards
looking for a reason to relevant through a out of date religion as so many are

[Imploding Turtle]

Turtle,I dont think you should be so vocal in criticising other peoples views if you dont have a solution yourself.
We need to do something .

Just because i might not know how to solve the problem of a bleeding arm doesn't mean i'm going to remain silent when some idiot says "i know, lets cut it off".

[LongsideFacingUp]

Another irrelevant post.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Hi cfc, some of the central London tubes are closed at w/ends - not required when most of the people who use them work in the city. I don't know whether this is the case for Blackfriars tube, but that would be my first assumption on a Saturday morning.

He has just replied.

You see things differently when you've got a child with you, see armed police yesterday, the only station that had them, and this morning I realised that the pelican crossing to blackfriars tube was blocked with bollards so vehicles couldn't get near, probably after what happened at westminster

[ClaretMoffitt]

It's time the country woke up and realised we are at war, changing Facebook profile pictures isn't making this go away.

It's clearly not a time for politics but the last think we need is weak leadership.

It keeps the sheep placid though

[paulatky]

If people dont like the West why are they still living in this country.

Not being flippant but if I went into a pub and said the beer was crap and I didnt like the clientell I would be thrown out.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Utter ********.

This is simple minded , easily influenced retards
looking for a reason to relevant through a out of date religion as so many are

How many islamic attacks had there been on this land before we started medling with overthrowing governments in these countries?

Its the modern IRA situation.

[PutTheWheelieBinsOut]

This is a war and we might have to restrict civil liberties to protect lives.

But we must learn from history and maybe Corbyn as a point.


25 years of failed British Foreign Policy in the Middle East https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9gtyeMzQM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[tim_noone]

Utter ********.

This is simple minded , easily influenced retards
looking for a reason to relevant through a out of date religion as so many are

Is that so..

[RingoMcCartney]

Ten bellies, which is essentially what I said.

Locking people up because they worship Islam or don't like the West isn't on, locking people up who are on facebook or TV going "I'm going to kill you all" is perfectly fine (and probably legal as well)

Lancaster stop wriggling I'll ask you again.

From which socio demographic and religious group would you start your enquiries?

Be careful what you say. You'll be accused of the following tired old accusations.

Xenophobe

Knuckle dragger

Racist

Nazi

Little Englander

Divisive

Hate monger

Reactionary

Islamaphobic

[LongsideFacingUp]

D1ck.

Excellent retort sir.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Just because i might not know how to solve the problem of a bleeding arm doesn't mean i'm going to remain silent when some idiot says "i know, lets cut it off".

I noticed you used the term bleeding, not infected.

[LifeafterRobbie]

Only way to end this is to give in. Sharia law is on it's way..................... cos we let in the trojan horse.

[Imploding Turtle]

I noticed you used the term bleeding, not infected.

Because while you'll stop the bleeding at the original cut, you'll create an awful lot more bleeding elsewhere.

[Imploding Turtle]

Only way to end this is to give in. Sharia law is on it's way..................... cos we let in the trojan horse.

Edit: Sorry, this made me laugh. Thanks for that.

[CombatClaret]

Was cycling across Tower Bridge (one bridge over) at the time of the attack.

Not going to turn me into a xenophobe though and help start the war they so desperately want . Will go about my normal business tomorrow.

[South West Claret.]

It's time the country woke up and realised we are at war, changing Facebook profile pictures isn't making this go away.

It's clearly not a time for politics but the last think we need is weak leadership.

"Not a time for politics" and "the last thing we need is weak leadership" ? .. it's a public affair thats what politics is

[Lancasterclaret]

Whose wriggling?

You've got very definite ideas about how to sort this.

They don't work, cos they never have.

But you don't want to hear that. So keep typing away, it won't change a thing as what you believe that makes things better actually makes it worse.

Thank God we have a leader who doesn't change her mind at the slightest bit of pressure......oh wait

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Police looking for three suspects

[RingoMcCartney]

Only way to end this is to give in. Sharia law is on it's way..................... cos we let in the trojan horse.

Hahaha
Are you joking!?

Some people would say it's better to die on your feet than to spend the rest of your days on your knees, grovelling.

I can see their point . Can you?

[ElectroClaret]

Sky showing large numbers of people walking away from the scene with their hands on their heads.

Still a very confused scene.

[Damo]

D1ck.

These incidents show how much we need our highly trained police force. It infuriates me how much the Tories have cut our public services (including police), yet people think they are the party of "law and order".

We also need intelligence services. So scrapping MI5 might not be a good idea. Your still going to vote for Corbyn though arnt you?

[South West Claret.]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Don't feel sorry just reframe from posting irrelevant posts.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Time for another COBRA meeting in the morning

[aggi]

Friend of mine just posted this on my status. Interesting.

'I was at blackfriars tube station yesterday, the only one with armed police I saw in the ones I visited yesterday. Went to it this morning and it was closed, nearest open was embankment, they knew something was coming just not where. Our 9 year old was worried before we went after manchester but we saw the lion king and went to camden and london zoo. **** em. They will not win'
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There was planned engineering on that line this weekend. There are a lot of armed police around at a whole variety of places.

[LongsideFacingUp]

How many islamic attacks had there been on this land before we started medling with overthrowing governments in these countries?

Its the modern IRA situation.

Can you please explain how western foreign policy compelled 15 people from Saudi Arabia (plus 4 from UAE/Egypt/Lebanon) to fly planes into a civilian skyscraper in the USA?

[cricketfieldclarets]

Third incident seems unrelated now. Vauxhall reopened.

[USC]

Excellent retort sir.

When someone states the following...

Personally I think we should increase immigration from Syria, Iraq, Libya and parts of North Africa to show ISIS just how 'not racist' we are.

The Tories are to blame. It's those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children.

...
one needs no futher retort than "D1ck".

The fact that you jocularly imply that we should allow uncontrolled immigration from "Syria, Iraq, Libya" and that "It's those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children" show you to be completely idiotic. Especially at a time like this.

[nil_desperandum]

It's clearly not a time for politics but the last think we need is weak leadership.

So with an election less than a week away and the only two real alternatives being Mrs May or Mr Corbyn, what do you suggest we do?
It's coming to something when the leader of the Tory Party makes Jeremy Corbyn look like the strongest option. Heaven help us all.

[cricketfieldclarets]

There was planned engineering on that line this weekend. There are a lot of armed police around at a whole variety of places.

Fair enough. No suprise that people are so on edge though.

[Damo]

Thank God we have a leader who doesn't change her mind at the slightest bit of pressure......oh wait

And not one who MI5 opened a file on due to his terrorist links. One who wants to do away with MI5 and is against further measures to tighten security on the internet

[tim_noone]

Don't feel sorry just reframe from posting irrelevant posts.

Refrain .hes entitled to make irrelevant posts as are you.

[USC]

We also need intelligence services. So scrapping MI5 might not be a good idea. Your still going to vote for Corbyn though arnt you?

.

I have not stated I want to scrap MI5 - It is needed, as is police.

[paulatky]

Turtle by doing nothing ( not cutting off the arm ) you would get the same result, death anyway

[Lancasterclaret]

Can you please explain how western foreign policy compelled 15 people from Saudi Arabia (plus 4 from UAE/Egypt/Lebanon) to fly planes into a civilian skyscraper in the USA?

Er, how long have you got?

[Imploding Turtle]

Can you please explain how western foreign policy compelled 15 people from Saudi Arabia (plus 4 from UAE/Egypt/Lebanon) to fly planes into a civilian skyscraper in the USA?

They didn't like American presense in Saudi Arabia. It didn't matter to them that the U.S. was invited. It doesn't excuse their actions (it's sad that i have to make this point but if i didn't i'm sure you'd attck me for not). But ignoring the fact that they has some reasonable grievances does no one any good.

[ClaretMoffitt]

So with an election less than a week away and the only two real alternatives being Mrs May or Mr Corbyn, what do you suggest we do?
It's coming to something when the leader of the Tory Party makes Jeremy Corbyn look like the strongest option. Heaven help us all.

You want to put Dianne Abbott in charge of our homeland security in times like these?


Go for it I say, this country is ****** anyway.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Can you please explain how western foreign policy compelled 15 people from Saudi Arabia (plus 4 from UAE/Egypt/Lebanon) to fly planes into a civilian skyscraper in the USA?

Support of Israel?
Sanctions on Iraq post Gulf War?

There could be many. And the more we have meddled the worse its become.

[Lancasterclaret]

Great Damo, we have two possible total incompetents.

Ace

[LongsideFacingUp]

When someone states the following...


...
one needs no futher retort than "D1ck".

The fact that you jocularly imply that we should allow uncontrolled immigration from "Syria, Iraq, Libya" and that "It's those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children" show you to be completely idiotic. Especially at a time like this.

Yeah you're right.

Your moral outrage and insults say more than a logical argument ever could.

[Imploding Turtle]

You want to put Dianne Abbott in charge of our homeland security in times like these?


Go for it I say, this country is ****** anyway.

Campaigning on it already, are you?

[Goalposts]

How many islamic attacks had there been on this land before we started medling with overthrowing governments in these countries

Its the modern IRA situation.

Cricket field in many instances you advocate sensibility but in this and your comparison. I reiterate utter ********

[Greenmile]

The likelihood can be reduced by internment of those on the security services radar. Wait though, the civil liberties of those who would see our version of society dead, are paramount. By the way, I'm no right wing nut job, just as you wouldn't describe yourself as a left wing nut job, I presume.

For me, our version of society includes the rule of law and not locking people up without trial, so it's people like you who "would see our version of society dead".

If you had said "those who would see us dead" then I would still disagree with you, but at least your point would have some kind of logic.

[RingoMcCartney]

Whose wriggling?

You've got very definite ideas about how to sort this.

They don't work, cos they never have.

But you don't want to hear that. So keep typing away, it won't change a thing as what you believe that makes things better actually makes it worse.

Thank God we have a leader who doesn't change her mind at the slightest bit of pressure......oh wait

Stop deflecting lancs.

I'll ask you for the 3rd and very last time.

Where would your enquiries begin.

Given-

Drummer Lee Rigby

The Westminster bridge

The Manchester Arena

Stop the excuses. Stop the wriggling.

When you put the key in the ignition of your car tomorrow morning and you start trying to protect the public. What's the profile of your typical suspect?

Be careful, be prepared for a politically correct avalanche of abuse from fellow "up the clarets messageboard" whiteflag waving excuse monkeys.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Do you know what (aside from the immediate repercussions) is one of the worse things about these sort of things?

The amount of division and civil conflict it causes - and thats what they want. This forum is a small example of the wider feeling accross the country. Bickering, disagreeing, panic etc. Its exactly what 'they' want.

[South West Claret.]

Refrain .hes entitled to make irrelevant posts as are you.

Yet another irrelevant post.

[1914tyrone]

What ever you believe or think will be the outcome. If we want a stop to these attacks then whom ever is on the watch list has to leave the country. You can not possibly watch them all!

[USC]

Yeah you're right. Your moral outrage and insults say more than a logical argument ever could.

So you state we should allow uncontrolled immigration from "Syria, Iraq, Libya" and its is those "those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children" and you think you present a logical argument?

[LongsideFacingUp]

Terrorist: "Death to the west! Slay all infidels! Islam will dominate the world!"

Western liberal: "I agree. Western foreign policy is shameful."