General Election 2017 Mega Thread

[ClaretMoffitt]

Awwww, are all the hard brexiteers a bit ****** off this morning?

Shame

Has anyone checked that Ringo is ok btw?

Nah i'm not fussed.

What will be, will be.

We are a country full of cowards and we deserve everything we get.

[Lancasterclaret]

No one wanted a hard brexit, and now we are not going to get one now.

Other than that, who knows?

But its good to see that British values have triumphed again

[HatfieldClaret]

Just woke up, what have I missed?

Just going to bed after up at the count all night.

Big student vote here which swung the local council by election to Labour, 7 votes in it.

Lib Dems wiped out here in the GE. tactical voting ?

Not happy but not in the mood for an argument right now.

[Damo]

Congratulations to all you far left people.
Must be a great feeling, lauding it over the Brexiteers this morning after your massive win

[Lancasterclaret]

Think tacitical voting played a part, but if had been significant, the cons would have been in real trouble.

Young vote came out big for Lab, and Scotland was, well, just weird.

[Lancasterclaret]

Damo, Brexit is happening, but not the one that that people like me didn't want.

hard brexit is off the cards completely now. And Corbyn can't form a government.

You can thank people like me for saving the economy later!

[ClaretMoffitt]

Think tacitical voting played a part, but if had been significant, the cons would have been in real trouble.

Young vote came out big for Lab, and Scotland was, well, just weird.

Of course it did, if you offer kids free everything, they are going to take it because they do not know any better. They don't know how it will affect them in 10 years time, they just see a free 3 years on the **** paid for by the government, who's gonna turn that down at 18, 19, 20?

[Spijed]

Must be a great feeling, lauding it over the Brexiteers this morning after your massive win

The thing is though, the result for Brexit was a divided country - almost 50/50.

[Lancasterclaret]

CM, you are 27 going on 97!

[martin_p]

Of course it did, if you offer kids free everything, they are going to take it because they do not know any better. They don't know how it will affect them in 10 years time, they just see a free 3 years on the **** paid for by the government, who's gonna turn that down at 18, 19, 20?

And I suspect that sort of generalisation is something else that pushed them towards Labour.

[quoonbeatz]

lol @ tories.

[ClaretMoffitt]

lol @ Britian

[HatfieldClaret]

Oh well, another GE in the next 6 months to look forward to !

[JohnMcGreal]

We have just committed economic and social suicide.


I'm just gonna put my feet up, and watch the chaos ensue.

You're 12 months late pal.

[martin_p]

You're 12 months late pal.

Precisely! Last night is part of the chaos ensuing from the referendum. At least there should now be a chance of a softer Brexit rather than the absolute car crash May was leading us to.

[CrosspoolClarets]

We all get what we vote for.

What we voted for is uncertainty, argument and turmoil.

Corbyn obviously lost the election despite being able to mobilise a 72% young person turnout, which is impressive and important. Those young people's views can't be ignored despite their nativity and inexperience (not so much on Brexit, I can see where they come from there, but on complex economics, where experience even for the uneducated means a lot). The right thing to do is thus to make life easier for young people, which primarily is real terms increase in wages and making housing affordable.

May didn't win it but won it more than Corbyn, claiming far more votes than Cameron in either England, Wales or Scotland. She upped the vote share despite the total vote going up due to the young people. So I don't get the argument that she doesn't have a mandate, more that she has weakened authority in the Tory party and faces a battle to get votes through the commons.

If I was sat on the Tory 1922 committee I'd encourage this approach:

1. Keep May as leader but ensure she doesn't fight another election. That is not her talent, it is now clear.
2. Pursue Brexit as before, ensure free movement is ended but offer compromises on things like rights of EU citizens here now, paying a fair price for a future free trade deal and don't become a low tax haven. If the Tories conclude that thinking of leaving the single market has cost them votes, they are wrong. It was populism and charisma.
3. Domestic policies to take on elements of Corbyn's proposals without breaking the economy, as well as some of her own manifesto.
4. Drop the toxic stuff to her own voters like triple lock, social care and tax rises.
5. Move Ruth Davidson somewhere difficult like home office (a shame if she is only a MSP, I wasn't sure)
6. Ensure May embraces wider ideas not just what comes out of Nick Timothy's gob.
7. Plan for a successor, someone charismatic and Brexit focused who knows how to win elections against a populist opponent. Yes. It has to be him.

[evensteadiereddie]

Aye, Muffitt, and which strong and stable "leader" caused this chaos ? Useless, clapped-out and arrogant - and they are three of her best attributes.
Chucking away a majority and having to grovel to Ireland just to get to no. 10.
Unbelievable, Jeff.

[Lancasterclaret]

Those young people's views can't be ignored despite their nativity and inexperience

Jesus, you lot really are not taking this well.

I've been resisting this all night

But you've lost, get over it

[ClaretMoffitt]

You're 12 months late pal.

Funny that, because we have had absolutely nothing of a sort.

We might just now though.

[martin_p]

For all the people looking for a role for Ruth Davidson please note she's an MSP, not an MP. There'll be no role for her in the UK government.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Jesus, you lot really are not taking this well.

I've been resisting this all night

But you've lost, get over it

You can't just say that as though it has some kind of ironic meaning regarding the brexit reaction.

There were weeks of protests, and absolute social media/public figure meltdowns from the left after that. There will be none of that what so ever in this instance.

[Dom]

Another U-turn on the way....

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[Dom]

You can't just say that as though it has some kind of ironic meaning regarding the brexit reaction.

There were weeks of protests, and absolute social media/public figure meltdowns from the left after that. There will be none of that what so ever in this instance.

I dunno, you're throwing a wobbler at the minute.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Like many I have a dilemma now. I voted Corbyn tactically to get the treacherous Clegg out, which worked. Good riddance. Shame you don't get that gold plated EU pension you crave for.

If Corbyn got in though we were all set to leave the country to avoid the economic chaos and robbing of our life savings (inevitable, especially when the economy tanks). I have a conference call with an overseas jurisdiction later this morning where I was contingency planning to negotiate residency (challenging after 2 hours sleep!). At the moment we are in limbo, if I was guessing we'll stay and see how it pans out, I think Tories got just enough seats to stop him.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I dunno, you're throwing a wobbler at the minute.

Hardly.

I gave up hope for this country when it reacted to 3 terror attacks in 3 months with deeper denial disguised as "love and togetherness". That to me signaled we were now a nation of sheep, not lions.

[Dom]

Like many I have a dilemma now. I voted Corbyn tactically to get the treacherous Clegg out, which worked. Good riddance. Shame you don't get that gold plated EU pension you crave for.

If Corbyn got in though we were all set to leave the country to avoid the economic chaos and robbing of our life savings (inevitable, especially when the economy tanks). I have a conference call with an overseas jurisdiction later this morning where I was contingency planning to negotiate residency (challenging after 2 hours sleep!). At the moment we are in limbo, if I was guessing we'll stay and see how it pans out, I think Tories got just enough seats to stop him.

Tories have to remain in power, the other coalition options are far too shaky to be seen as viable. But we might get a Brexit deal that works for the majority now, no hardline Brexit.

Perfect.

[Imploding Turtle]

Pound plummeted in value, wonder if all those lefties who were so upset over it plummeting when we voted Brexit will be equally and concerned upset now...

We weren't concerned last time, we found it hilarious.

[ClaretMoffitt]

We weren't concerned last time, we found it hilarious.

Do you find it hilarious now?

[Imploding Turtle]

Paul Nuttall has been seen celebrating the election result saying how honoured he is be the next PM.

Diane Abbott is celebrating the landslide Labour victory.

[Dom]

Hardly.

I gave up hope for this country when it reacted to 3 terror attacks in 3 months with deeper denial disguised as "love and togetherness". That to me signaled we were now a nation of sheep, not lions.

Drama queenery of the highest order and not only that but total bullsh*t. People haven't denied anything, they want more police, they want us to stop trading with terrorist harbouring countries and they want to stop meddling in foreign affairs, all of which would help us reduce terrorist incidents.
Stop your lying narrative that flies in the face of facts.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Drama queenery of the highest order and not only that but total bullsh*t. People haven't denied anything, they want more police, they want us to stop trading with terrorist harbouring countries and they want to stop meddling in foreign affairs, all of which would help us reduce terrorist incidents.
Stop your lying narrative that flies in the face of facts.

They voted for more immigration, they voted for a man that has spent his entire political life defending terrorists, they voted for a man who wants to dismantle our armed forces. You think having more police will help if we do as Germany did and take in 1 million african/eastern migrants in a year?

(obviously that won't happen now, but could under a Labour government)

[Imploding Turtle]

Nah i'm not fussed.

What will be, will be.

We are a country full of cowards and we deserve everything we get.

Yep, cowards who would give in to the terrorists instead of defend democracy.

[CrosspoolClarets]

But you've lost, get over it

I'm not sure who has lost or what we all stand for. I'm for a full but not hard Brexit, but against most things in Mays manifesto. Similarly I was against most things in Corbyn's manifesto too, but one or two things were attractive.

There may be a way we all win out of this but I'm not sure what that is.

I suspect the Tories will decide she is in a job above her skill set and Boris will replace her and a new election in the autumn will seek a new mandate. Whether that is a win for anybody or not, I have no idea. May was just right of centre so her not implementing her policies (e.g. upping the tax threshold) may not be welcomed by Labour voters if a more right wing successor rewrites the manifesto in 3 months.

[Imploding Turtle]

Of course it did, if you offer kids free everything, they are going to take it because they do not know any better. They don't know how it will affect them in 10 years time, they just see a free 3 years on the **** paid for by the government, who's gonna turn that down at 18, 19, 20?

oh look, the "free everything" thing is getting trotted out again.

[evensteadiereddie]

I can't wait for May's speech this morning, assuming that even she isn't so gutless as not to appear outside no. 10.
I wonder if she'll continue to waffle about the need for strength and stability - qualities she clearly doesn't possess - in spite of her humiliation.

[Dom]

They voted for more immigration, they voted for a man that has spent his entire political life defending terrorists, they voted for a man who wants to dismantle our armed forces. You think having more police will help if we do as Germany did and take in 1 million african/eastern migrants in a year?

(obviously that won't happen now, but could under a Labour government)

I don't know if it's deliberate trolling or not now but you're just spouting crap that wouldn't even come out of the Daily Mail or Express. Go and ask for a bottle of warm milk, a blanket and have yourself a little nap.

[Sidney1st]

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I'm disappointed Lord Buckethead didn't get more votes.

[evensteadiereddie]

You're losing it a bit, Muff. Man up.

[SonofPog]

With a few sneering posts about giving "kids"... "free stuff". Just remember they're already at Uni and have paid their tution fees. They did it for the next generation of students. Not themselves.

[Imploding Turtle]

Do you find it hilarious now?

No, but only because it isn't anything near as big a drop as after the referendum. I rate it mildly amusing.

[Dom]

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Arrogant Tory attitude showing the reason why they failed in their target so badly.

[Imploding Turtle]

They voted for more immigration, they voted for a man that has spent his entire political life defending terrorists, they voted for a man who wants to dismantle our armed forces. You think having more police will help if we do as Germany did and take in 1 million african/eastern migrants in a year?

(obviously that won't happen now, but could under a Labour government)

1 million brown ppl a year. God, you must be terririfed at all the brown people here already.

[ClaretMoffitt]

1 million brown ppl a year. God, you must be terririfed at all the brown people here already.

You know as well as I do it's jack sh!t to do with colour.

Its the religion and cultural attitudes that come with them.

[evensteadiereddie]

That Tory MP for Reigate is a proper Crispin Blunt.

[nil_desperandum]

The thing is though, the result for Brexit was a divided country - almost 50/50.

Not any more it isn't.
As late as 36 hours ago May reaffirmed that this was all about hard brexit.
Nearly 60% of the country disagreed with her, and let's remember - 3 million weren't allowed to vote, and as EU citizens - whose future in UK was not guaranteed by May, they would have joined that 60%.
Anyway. It would appear that the price of DUP cooperation is single market, soft border and free movement.
Some big decisions for the Tory hierarchy.

[evensteadiereddie]

You know as well as I do it's jack sh!t to do with colour.

Its the religion and cultural attitudes that come with them.

What , yours you mean ?

[Damo]

It would be nice if, after a couple of years of political squabbling, we can all go back to normal following this result

[Dom]

That Tory MP for Reigate is a proper Crispin Blunt.

Reply on twitter was funny

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[CrosspoolClarets]

Tories have to remain in power, the other coalition options are far too shaky to be seen as viable. But we might get a Brexit deal that works for the majority now, no hardline Brexit.

Perfect.

Quite possibly, but I'm still not sure what hardline means. There are hundreds of issues on the table with Brexit, we only focus on the three or four high profile ones like SM and FOM.

I want an end to free movement above and beyond the single market issue, but ideally I would have a free trade agreement and single market access too. Nobody can say we can't achieve that by making concessions on some of the other 200-300 issues (like budgetary payments). It's an unknown.

[DCWat]

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Arrogant Tory attitude showing the reason why they failed in their target so badly.

This is exactly the sort of shite that politicians should be brought to task over. It shows contempt for the voters and accepts no responsibility.