Jeremy Corbyn & the IRA

[Imploding Turtle]

You missed the m

If you ever leave your house one day then you can comment.
Has supermarket home delivery made you more independent from your Mum
There I go sinking down to your level and getting all personal when my intellect lets me down.
God Tony please ban me for a day or two and save me from myself and this protagonist.
Please

Wait, i thought us lefties all got our food from foodbanks.

Yeah, i'm not sure why you're getting personal. I don't get personal, i just call people names. But there's been a few people recently who have been fantasising about me and it's kind of weird. Funny, but weird. I'm a little disappointed in you trying it though, not because i really care, i'm more than happy to join in the laughing at me if it's funny, but because you pleasantly surprised me yesterday by actually reading the HRA when others wouldn't want to risk their preconceptions being disproven.

[BleedingClaret]

Wait, i thought us lefties all got our food from foodbanks.

Yeah, i'm not sure why you're getting personal. I don't get personal, i just call people names. But there's been a few people recently who have been fantasising about me and it's kind of weird. Funny, but weird. I'm a little disappointed in you trying it though, not because i really care, i'm more than happy to join in the laughing at me if it's funny, but because you pleasantly surprised me yesterday by actually reading the HRA when others wouldn't want to risk their preconceptions being disproven.

all a bit tongue in cheek, with a sprinkling of mischief.
I think I'm funny.......
I actually like the idea of you cooped in your darkened room all 'I see the crescent whilst you see the whole of the moon"
like.
Evoking passion and anger in those that tread there weary paths and invoking a response that,s often rash and unthought out that you can correct.

I was just reverting back to my pre HRA role, much more interesting.

[aggi]

The list was only published at 8:29 this morning, and I had seen it just before I copied it on here, so I could not have posted it earlier.

And I've no problem with you scrutinising it, in fact I will make it very easy for you. if you follow this link https://order-order.com/ to where I copied the list from there is a link to the source of each statement. Simples!

I gave that a try knowing that Guido Fawkes isn't the most unbiased of sources. I randomly clicked on half a dozen links, 3 of which put me onto Daily Mail articles (they didn't cite their sources), two onto the Telegraph and one just back to the Order Order website.

I have no doubt that some of them are true. I also have no doubt that some of them have been specifically phrased to provide no context.

[Rick_Muller]

Here's an excellent and balanced article of Jeremy Corbyn:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/wel ... -politics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

article written by the son of a former Tory minister who served under Maggie Thatcher and John Major. Sure, that'll be impartial journalism...

[COYC73]

Hoping & Praying that after Corbyn loses this Election.....he gets replaced!!! The egotistical pr1ck will try to hold on to leadership at least until he can change party rules to require just 5% of MPs and MEPs to nominate candidates for leadership, instead of the current 15%.....Can't wait to see the back of him!!! Just hope it's sooner rather than later...!

[Chobulous]

You missed the m

If you ever leave your house one day then you can comment.
Has supermarket home delivery made you more independent from your Mum
There I go sinking down to your level and getting all personal when my intellect lets me down.
God Tony please ban me for a day or two and save me from myself and this protagonist.
Please

Do what I have done, block him as a foe. (Doesn't work when he is quoted unfortunately)

[Imploding Turtle]

Corbyn's egotistical?

[Imploding Turtle]

Do what I have done, block him as a foe. (Doesn't work when he is quoted unfortunately)

I can still quote you as well to remind you that i'm still here with a little notification.

[Chobulous]

Sorry Wolfie if that's a reply to me I've got my fingers in my ears and my eyes closed, just like I used to do in the 90s when Bastards were on Match of the Day and had won that week.

[Imploding Turtle]

See?

[ClaretCliff]

I gave that a try knowing that Guido Fawkes isn't the most unbiased of sources. I randomly clicked on half a dozen links, 3 of which put me onto Daily Mail articles (they didn't cite their sources), two onto the Telegraph and one just back to the Order Order website.

I have no doubt that some of them are true. I also have no doubt that some of them have been specifically phrased to provide no context.

I'm not surprised that mail, etc are there - they are obviously keen to expose Corbyn's links with terrorists. However, a quick look at the list also shows the Guardian, the Independent, the BBC and Sky. Are you saying these are all biased too, or might it just be true that Corbyn does take sides with these terrorist groups?

[UpTheBeehole]

[aggi]

I'm not surprised that mail, etc are there - they are obviously keen to expose Corbyn's links with terrorists. However, a quick look at the list also shows the Guardian, the Independent, the BBC and Sky. Are you saying these are all biased too, or might it just be true that Corbyn does take sides with these terrorist groups?

As I said, I have no doubt that some are true. I just randomly clicked on half a dozen and that is what came up. More the point was that the sources weren't the primary source. For number 47 for instance the Mail was literally quoting one word, "strange" from an interview (with no citation of the actual interview).

It may be true but I'd contend that it had really provided sources.

[ClaretMoffitt]

See?

Wtf I just finished work where did my thread go??

[Rowls]

article written by the son of a former Tory minister who served under Maggie Thatcher and John Major. Sure, that'll be impartial journalism...

He does not support the Conservative Party. He crticizes the party regularly.

If you only vote the way you do because of your father's politics then that's your decision.

[chorleyhere]

A pointer to an independent thinker is the ability to criticise those whose ideas don't agree with their own, in a sensible manner, even if their leanings in general are towards their line of politics. Equally, it is to accept that there is merit in some of the ideas put forward by those who you consider to be generally on the opposite side of politics.
There are posters on here , who cannot accept that there are any points made by a politician of another party colour, that have any merit. They remain blinkered and fodder for a biased press.

[Greenmile]

Jeremy Corbyn.

A man who cannot bring himself to condemn terrorism.

What do you make of Theresa's new bff, Rowls?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 76873.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Pimlico_Claret]

Rowls is absent . looking for his conscience.

[Spijed]

What do you make of Theresa's new bff, Rowls?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 76873.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's quite damning.

Also, I wonder how the Mail and Sun will now try and attack Corbyn as the stories of his meetings with the IRA are now dead in the water?

[Woodleyclaret]

Move on Jezza delivered time to look forward to more Tory embarrassment.

[morpheus2]

Wtf I just finished work where did my thread go??

Same happened to me tho other day, set myself a nice little thread up in the morning, reasonable conversation going on concerning 130 Imams not performing prayers for their terrorists, went to work and all these miscreants couldn't behave themselves and be courteous to each other and they got it deleted, naming no names *cough cough IT cough cough*

[Spijed]

Jeremy Corbyn.

A man who cannot bring himself to condemn terrorism.

Total hypocrisy.

Rowls, what about Arlene Foster - leader of the DUP?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup ... 82631.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JohnMcGreal]

Life comes at you fast, right Rowls?

[Greenmile]

Jeremy Corbyn.

A man who cannot bring himself to condemn terrorism.

Come on Rowls. You can't hide forever.

[Tribesmen]

Total hypocrisy.

Rowls, what about Arlene Foster - leader of the DUP?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup ... 82631.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Feck, Aelene is a real something else . You will dance with the devil if you get on board with this woman

[CrosspoolClarets]

The way to combat the extreme left is not with the extreme right.

Both are despicable and would leave our country in tatters.

You need the middle ground. You need to offer people a good standard of living whilst keeping us secure and keeping taxes reasonable.

Not sure why May's incompetent ex-advisors (and herself) didn't see that but it is clear that the bed sharing with the DUP won't last long, as it takes away all the moral high ground this thread exhibits. I give her 5 weeks, and an election will be either Autumn or next Spring once a new leader has worked out their own appeal nationwide.

[Rowls]

Total hypocrisy.
Rowls, what about Arlene Foster - leader of the DUP?

What do you make of Theresa's new bff, Rowls?

Typical of both of you to engage in this kind of whataboutery.

You imagine I'm going to defend the DUP's links to terrorist groups?

I'm not.

But DUP tend to have the honesty to admit they support a Unionist organisation - just like Diane Abbott had the honesty to admit she deliberately supported anti-British groups.

Corbyn's still lying about not supporting the IRA though.

[Imploding Turtle]

Pointing out hypocrisy is a prefectly fine use of "whataboutery".

[Greenmile]

Typical of both of you to engage in this kind of whataboutery.

You imagine I'm going to defend the DUP's links to terrorist groups?

I'm not.

But DUP tend to have the honesty to admit they support a Unionist organisation - just like Diane Abbott had the honesty to admit she deliberately supported anti-British groups.

Corbyn's still lying about not supporting the IRA though.

Glad you're back Rowls, and that you haven't changed much in your absence.

Not sure anyone thought you'd defend the DUP's current terrorist links, but what about the Tories' current DUP links? Are you ok with that? If not why isn't it a problem like Corbyn's historic IRA "support"?

I wouldn't try claiming it's all down to honesty, either, given St Theresa's recent record in that regard.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Good to see Rowls has wiped his tears away and is back posting.

[Spijed]

You'd be better off just seeing how things turn out and seeing if there's anything left to salvage of the Labour Party. If you're sensible enough to realise the damage Corbyn has done to your movement then I wish you sincere best wishes. If you're not then "good luck to you".

You guys have a choice - you can read the kind of thing the Guardian published in 96 (thanks to Damo above) or you can wait and see just how low the Labour vote can fall in a traditional working class Labour seat like Burnley.

So Rowls, how low DID the labour vote fall last Thursday?

And how much damage has Corbyn done to the Labour party?

[Rowls]

Not sure anyone thought you'd defend the DUP's current terrorist links, but what about the Tories' current DUP links? Are you ok with that? If not why isn't it a problem like Corbyn's historic IRA "support"?

Anyone who takes their place in Parliament is free to try and form a government.

You miss the point about Corbyn. It isn't that he talked to terrorists. It's the fact that he supported them and now lies about it. As said, Diane Abbott has admitted she has changed her mind. Why can't Corbyn do the same eh?

[Rowls]

So Rowls, how low DID the labour vote fall last Thursday?

And how much damage has Corbyn done to the Labour party?

3rd lowest percentage of the vote Labour has ever achieved.

Corbyn has done the Labour party massive damage. One good campaign will highlight the stupidity of his and McDonnell's economic policies which would ruin the country.

The Conservatives have just run possibly the worst campaign in modern British politics and have STILL beaten Corbyn's Labour.

[Devils_Advocate]

[Rowls]

Good to see Rowls has wiped his tears away and is back posting.

Thanks for the concern.

I've been away from Friday morning till Monday on a stag do which I arranged.

Since my return I've been covering sickness at work. All very, very tiring thanks but the only time I cried was when the stripper rode the stag like a donkey. That was hilarious.

[Spijed]

3rd lowest percentage of the vote Labour has ever achieved.

Eh? Labour got 40%

[ClaretMoffitt]

Thanks for the concern.

I've been away from Friday morning till Monday on a stag do which I arranged.

Since my return I've been covering sickness at work. All very, very tiring thanks but the only time I cried was when the stripper rode the stag like a donkey. That was hilarious.

I was best man for a stag this weekend too, go figure

[Rowls]

I was best man for a stag this weekend too, go figure

???

What does this mean?

I was out of the country, no mobile phone, no computer.

Do you think I could be bothered to find an internet cafe for you guys?

[ClaretMoffitt]

???

What does this mean?

I was out of the country, no mobile phone, no computer.

Do you think I could be bothered to find an internet cafe for you guys?

Uh.. It means I organised and went to a stag this weekend too. Just saying bro

[Rowls]

Eh? Labour got 40%

3rs lowest percentage turnout in modern times.*

Only lower in 87 and 83.

Had the Conservatives run a good campaign Labour could have been annihilated. They spent no time whatsoever countering Corbyn's ridiculous economic promises and instead put May at the front of a personality contest.

Corbyn's a loser and utterly incompetent but he does have some personality.

Yet he still came second to a robot in a two-horse personality contest.

3rs lowest percentage turnout in modern times.* - edit: 3rd lowest percentage of the vote won by Labour in modern times.

[Rowls]

Uh.. It means I organised and went to a stag this weekend too. Just saying bro

And you found time to post here?

[ClaretMoffitt]

And you found time to post here?

Uh, no? Whats with the hostility man I was just saying.

[Rowls]

Uh, no? Whats with the hostility man I was just saying.

Fair enough. It's easy to mistake meaning on internet. Didn't understand what the "go figure" thing meant.

Well, all the best!

As we were!

[Eddiebfc]

3rs lowest percentage turnout in modern times.*

Only lower in 87 and 83.

Had the Conservatives run a good campaign Labour could have been annihilated. They spent no time whatsoever countering Corbyn's ridiculous economic promises and instead put May at the front of a personality contest.

Corbyn's a loser and utterly incompetent but he does have some personality.

Yet he still came second to a robot in a two-horse personality contest.

3rs lowest percentage turnout in modern times.* - edit: 3rd lowest percentage of the vote won by Labour in modern times.

Wrong! Only 1997 and 2001 higher % of turnout at 43% and 40.7% and that's only just. Every other one since the 80's the Labour share was below 40%. PS Most number of votes for Labour since the 70s excluding 1997.

[Rowls]

Wrong! Only 1997 higher % of turnout at 40.7% and that's only just. Every other one since the 80's the Labour share was below 40%.

No you're right.

But I maintain the Corbyn-mania is a bubble.

He wasn't put under any serious level of scrutiny as far as I could see at all during the election. It was turned into a personality contest by Theresa May between him and her.

Given that she doesn't have a personality it played right into his rouble-rousing speechifying rally-attending ways. A clear speaker with a message should have ruined his ridiculous economic policies.

[Greenmile]

Anyone who takes their place in Parliament is free to try and form a government.

You miss the point about Corbyn. It isn't that he talked to terrorists. It's the fact that he supported them and now lies about it. As said, Diane Abbott has admitted she has changed her mind. Why can't Corbyn do the same eh?

Im ok with these rapidly moving goalposts as you're still on a hiding to nothing, so let's put aside the fact that your own lies about Corbyn were disproved by post 6 of this 5-page thread and concentrate on politicians lying. What do you make of the following?

" I’m not going to be calling a snap election. I’ve been very clear that I think we need that period of time, that stability to be able to deal with the issues that the country is facing and have that election in 2020."

“The cold hard fact is that if I lose just six seats I will lose this election and Jeremy Corbyn will be sitting down to negotiate with the presidents, prime ministers and chancellors of Europe”

and of course....

"We send the EU £350m a week..."

Now, apart from being entirely imaginary, what makes JC's "lie" any different to the above?

Oh, and you still haven't told us what you think about the Tories teaming up with actual terrorist sympathisers which was my original question all that time ago.

Edit - sometimes you can look less silly by admitting you were wrong, instead of continuing to fight such an obviously losing battle (that bit is in reference to yourself, Rowls, not to any politician)

[JohnMcGreal]

Uh, no? Whats with the hostility man I was just saying.

Don't take it personally, Moffitt. It's easy to develop a siege mentality when you're posting from your bunker.

[joey13]

No you're right.

But I maintain the Corbyn-mania is a bubble.

He wasn't put under any serious level of scrutiny as far as I could see at all during the election. It was turned into a personality contest by Theresa May between him and her.

Given that she doesn't have a personality it played right into his rouble-rousing speechifying rally-attending ways. A clear speaker with a message should have ruined his ridiculous economic policies.

It's very unusual for a Tory to quote false figures.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

No you're right.

But I maintain the Corbyn-mania is a bubble.

He wasn't put under any serious level of scrutiny as far as I could see at all during the election. It was turned into a personality contest by Theresa May between him and her.

Given that she doesn't have a personality it played right into his rouble-rousing speechifying rally-attending ways. A clear speaker with a message should have ruined his ridiculous economic policies.

And who turned it into a personality contest? I thought that judging by what was printed on one of those damn "battle buses" sides Labour were actually fighting a party that had changed its name to Theresa May.

To fight an election campaign on a battle of personalities you have to have one yourself to begin with

[Rowls]

Don't take it personally, Moffitt. It's easy to develop a siege mentality when you're posting from your bunker.

The post in question did end with a "go figure".

I've happily accepted it wasn't intended as antagonistic but I think it's easy to interpret that phrase in that manner.