Labour & Sinn Fein coalition?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:08 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Aggi surely you are just highlighting what a strong and stable leader she is!?

He's explaining how May has become a 9D transdimensional time travelling Connect4 Grandmaster and is actively sabotaging her campaign in order to reduce her potential majority and keep Agent Corbyn in power as Labour party leader through to 2022.

(stole from Reddit)

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:11 am

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:32 am

Rowls wrote:Dagenham = John Cruddas (Labour)

Shadow cabinet and hugely influential in the circles of ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband.

He sounds like a right laugh.

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:40 am

Rowls wrote:Forgot Lincoln!

Lincoln = Karl McCartney (Conservative). Even though this breaks my "10 year minimum rule" this guy has already achieved more in 7 years than Jeremy Corbyn did in 30.

He's been appointed to the "Brexit Committee" and been appointed to the Conservatives influential 1922 Committee.

Amazing. Churchill has nothing on this guy!!

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:34 am

Teresa May was the most judicially reviewed Home Secretary ever. That's when your government gets pulled up by the courts for acting unlawfully. Serious stuff basically.
What did she do about it - change her ways maybe? Get better lawyers to advise her on what she could or couldn't do as Home Secretary perhaps?
Nope - she cut legal aid for JR's so only those with about half a mill to spare can ever bring an action again.

She's a barren despotic hag without a shred of common decency

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:44 am

Garnerssoap wrote:
She's a barren despotic hag without a shred of common decency

Please tell me that isn't a dig at her not having children.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:05 am

In the same way the American election candidates were the weakest in living memory, the UK elections are very much the same, very very weak field of leaders.
Who is least worst, as opposed to who is best.

FWIW, I will be voting Labour, area I live in at the minute MP is Liz McInnes, don't mind her. The area I'm in the process of buying a house in, the MP is Ivan Lewis, someone else who is a decent MP, from the area he's an MP for.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:09 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Whilst Diane Abbott is away with the fairies

Diane Abbott would be Home Secretary and representing Britain around the world. She's going to damage our reputation just like Trump is the USA's. Dumb and Dumber.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:13 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Diane Abbott would be Home Secretary and representing Britain around the world. She's going to damage our reputation just like Trump is the USA's. Dumb and Dumber.

The job you're thinking of where our politicians embarrass us to the world is Foreign Secretary, currently a position that is held by who?

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:49 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Diane Abbott would be Home Secretary and representing Britain around the world.

Having seen our current Home Secretary in the BBC debate the other night, suddenly that doesn't seem too terrifying a prospect.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:53 am

Rowls wrote:
People can -and will- decide for themselves if they think Corbyn is a suitable man to be our Prime Minister and negotiate Brexit with Diane Abbott by his side.

More scaremongering.
Why would Abbott be anywhere near the Brexit negotiations?
It wouldn't be compatible with the job she's been promised. (Not that I favour that).

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:05 am

To give Diane Abbott credit she'd work nine days a week, six hundred and twelvety days a year to do her best for the country.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:19 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Diane Abbott would be Home Secretary and representing Britain around the world. She's going to damage our reputation just like Trump is the USA's. Dumb and Dumber.

Trump & Abbott

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:54 pm

Can we just set this straight.

Diane Abbott is currently Shadow Home Secretary. The Home Secretary, if elected, is responsible for the internal affairs of England and Wales, and for immigration and citizenship for the United Kingdom. Not involving themselves in Brexit, apart from when it comes to their office advising on immigration.

The Brexit negotiations will be done by Senior Civil Servants within the Foreign & Commonwealth Office and the office of The Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. The current incumbent is David Davis and if Labour are elected, Sir Keir Starmer.

As for the person who is presenting the UK to the rest of the world, that will be the PM and Foriegn Secretary. We already have ManChild Boris Johnson representing us....

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:36 pm

I can understand the arguments that doubt Labour. I can understand that some people prefer the Conservative ideology. I might not agree with them all, but I can understand them. How, after the last couple of months, anybody can make the argument that Theresa May is anything other than a weak, gutless, ineffective leader is beyond me. She's u-turned on key budget policy, u-turned on holding an election, u-turned on a key manifesto policy, refused to join the rest of the civilised world in condemning Trump's withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and now having called the unnecessary election has gone into hiding because that's a less damaging strategy for her than appearing in public and letting people hear what she has to say. Her manifesto is uncosted and contains no detail whatsoever - any challenge to this is met with "we'll be consulting on this after the election."

The 'Strong and Stable' leader is currently attempting to win election on the back of telling us nothing and hiding from us. For some reason people still think she's the best person to lead the country through Brexit - maybe it's her insightful soundbites such as "Brexit means Brexit" and "No deal is better than a bad deal" that lead people to believe that. Seriously, we've had 12 months to prepare for Brexit and the most positive message she can come out with is that no deal (generally considered to be a pretty disastrous outcome) is better than a bad deal. Is that the vision we're expected to line up behind?

I have my doubts about some of the Labour team, I have my doubts about some of the Labour policies, but I'm now in no doubt whatsoever that I'd much rather give them a chance than vote for 5 more years of the negativity, u-turns, lies, missed targets, austerity, social division and general incompetence that this Conservative government has come to represent. Look past the propaganda headlines, don't accept when people tell you that things can't change, this is as good as it gets and you should be happy with it. Be bold, be positive, Vote Labour.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:37 pm

Clarets4me wrote:If Labour form a Government, MI5 & MI6 will be report directly to Diane Abbott, Labour's new Home Secretary, and Jeremy Corbyn will be chairing meetings of COBRA....

Read that sentence again, before casting your votes !

And if we remain under the Tories, wave goodbye to the NHS.

It's a lose-lose vote next Thursday.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:44 pm

Apart from the point that Clarets4me's statement is fact and yours on the NHS is hysterical tosh, you're absolutely correct, Frank.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:48 pm

Darthlaw wrote:you're absolutely correct, Frank.

I know.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Apart from the point that Clarets4me's statement is fact and yours on the NHS is hysterical tosh, you're absolutely correct, Frank.

Well, that isn't fact either. The PM doesn't chair COBRA meetings, the home secretary generally does (admittedly that does help to make his point).

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:12 pm

Whos that behind our Gerry

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:27 pm

Me? You?

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:47 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Whos that behind our Gerry

I don't know, but it's been confirmed, re-confirmed and absolutely verified that it is not Jeremy Corbyn.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:50 pm

Has it been confirmed Corbyn isn't gunman 2 or 3 ?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:04 pm

For a press that is apparently out to get him there hasn't been interviews with the majority of his MPs that don't support him, or more so don't trust him, so they've let that lie, there has been reference to his courting of terrorists but very little detail or perseverance of attaining the facts.
I mean if that's the hardest ride you get when you have had a love in with the enemies of the country you want to lead.
Man o peace our Jezza you know

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:11 pm

Wexford_Claret wrote:I don't know, but it's been confirmed, re-confirmed and absolutely verified that it is not Jeremy Corbyn.

Oh its him all rite. ****

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:11 pm

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:07 pm

You can't trust a Tory politician! Ask the Foxes!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:11 pm

claretdom wrote:Has it been confirmed Corbyn isn't gunman 2 or 3 ?

I think the Tories are one more bad poll away from suggesting he's an IRA bomb-maker. They're trotting out all the scaremongering now. And where are you lot in condemning such tactics like you were last June?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:31 pm

The one with the umbrella is in fact Diane Abbott. It

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:53 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Whos that behind our Gerry

I'm not sure whether it's libelous to guess at people's names in what appear to be compromising positions on photos, but it it isn't, then whilst I don't see Corbyn on there, the young Ricky Tomlinson appears to be 2nd left. (Some would suggest that Corbyn would obviously be on the Far-left, but that's clearly not him.)

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think the Tories are one more bad poll away from suggesting he's an IRA bomb-maker. They're trotting out all the scaremongering now. And where are you lot in condemning such tactics like you were last June?

Good job it is a liberal saying "you lot" had it been someone else saying that, the same liberals would probably ask what do you mean by "you lot, are you being racist"

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:20 am

I just don't get how some can vote for someone who supported the IRA during the troubles, took a high profile position in an organisation who criticises everything the West does but says nothing against countries like Russia Iran or North Korea. Thinks it was a travesty that bin Laden was killed and marched against British action in the Falklands.

And some want him to lead us ? I just don't get it.

I can forgive him for being a Gooner but that's about it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:22 am

claretdom wrote:Good job it is a liberal saying "you lot" had it been someone else saying that, the same liberals would probably ask what do you mean by "you lot, are you being racist"

What race could i have possibly been referring to? What are you on about? Do you even know?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:47 am

HatfieldClaret wrote:I just don't get how some can vote for someone who supported the IRA during the troubles, took a high profile position in an organisation who criticises everything the West does but says nothing against countries like Russia Iran or North Korea. Thinks it was a travesty that bin Laden was killed and marched against British action in the Falklands.

And some want him to lead us ? I just don't get it.

I can forgive him for being a Gooner but that's about it.

Not sure how some can vote for someone who is proud to sell arms to Saudi
But there you go

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:35 am

I actually think May is trying to lose. I've never seen such a dreadful attempt to win votes than the Tory campaign. Labour started way way behind in the polls - and even labour voters were saying "I won;t vote for Corbyn". The Tory campaign failed to take a great deal of advantage of a couple of early slips in the first week/two weeks and since then Corbyn has grown in confidence and the campaign has grown.

Add to that the dreadful clangers they've kept dropping and the focus on "vote for me - I'm good he's ****" message with nothing to back it up and you have the worst campaign I've ever seen. Worse than the Remain campaign which was pretty awful. She truly is the worst PM we've had since Chamberlain, maybe even worse than him because at least his excuse was that the establishment would do anything at the time to avoid either a revolution or another war.

I think to myself she can't be that incompetent - surely not. I think she's looking at Brexit, crapping her knickers and hoping she's lose narrowly or just win so she gets the boot and some other poor sap has to try and dig through the ton of **** that is Brexit looking for a sixpence.

Strong and Stable? I'd rather let Venky's run the country.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:12 am

No problem selling arms to the Saudis.

If the Saudis fall then the whole region will be another Iraq/Syria/Libya.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:40 am

You're talking shyte, Hatfield.

http://www.newsweek.com/uk-report-terro ... ing-618508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Saudi Arabia is the arsehole of the world from which Islamism is spewed.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:55 am

Another thing to fear....

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:56 am

IanMcL wrote:Another thing to fear....

You're like a broken record

Formerbfcmanager · Post by **Formerbfcmanager** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:48 am

Clarets4me wrote:If Labour form a Government, MI5 & MI6 will be report directly to Diane Abbott, Labour's new Home Secretary, and Jeremy Corbyn will be chairing meetings of COBRA....

Read that sentence again, before casting your votes !

Not MI6, they report to the Foreign Secretary

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:44 am

Spiral wrote:You're talking shyte, Hatfield.

http://www.newsweek.com/uk-report-terro ... ing-618508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Saudi Arabia is the arsehole of the world from which Islamism is spewed.

The report tells us nothing that we didn't already know.

But that wasn't the point that I was making......

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:58 pm

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:53 am

I wonder if all the people who have been jumping up and down complaining about the Conservatives jumping into bed with the DUP to form a government will still be jumping up and down about their beloved JC possibly jumping into bed with Sinn Fein to try to form a government or will this be acceptable because its Jeremy.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:03 am

FulledgeClaret wrote:I wonder if all the people who have been jumping up and down complaining about the Conservatives jumping into bed with the DUP to form a government will still be jumping up and down about their beloved JC possibly jumping into bed with Sinn Fein to try to form a government or will this be acceptable because its Jeremy.

Why not think about it?
What would point be of JC making coalition with Sinn Fein.
They don't attend Westminster Parliament so wouldn't add to his parliamentary numbers.!!

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:15 am

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:27 am

FulledgeClaret wrote:I wonder if all the people who have been jumping up and down complaining about the Conservatives jumping into bed with the DUP to form a government will still be jumping up and down about their beloved JC possibly jumping into bed with Sinn Fein to try to form a government or will this be acceptable because its Jeremy.

They'll struggle unless they're going to get the DUP in on the act too. With Sinn Fein joining the 'anyone but the tories' coalition party it puts Labour 3 seats short of a majority. Without Jezza's old mates they are 7 seats short, accounting for abstainers.

That is, unless Diane Abbott counts the seats. Then they have a four thirds majority and can authorise the pigs to taxi to the runway...

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:37 am

Unless they find a way for Sinn Fein MP's to take their seats at Westminster without swearing allegiance to the Queen then it can't happen.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:50 pm

Nothing to see here, move along

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:17 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Why not think about it?
What would point be of JC making coalition with Sinn Fein.
They don't attend Westminster Parliament so wouldn't add to his parliamentary numbers.!!

That's too profound for some on here!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:24 pm

Gerry Adams has said that Theresa May is breaching the Good Friday Agreement. What happens to the Conservative party if as a direct result of them allying with the DUP is destroys the peace process in Northern Ireland?