Tom Ince

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:51 am

Huddersfield in talks with Tom Ince regards signing him. Is this not a player we should be looking at. I know his dad is a tool but surely Dyche would keep him in check. Has speed, can score goals from playing out wide. I dont see a player in our squad who is similar. If we are wanting to sign players that offer us something different and could be used off the bench as an impact sub I doubt there to be any better options at the 3/4 million quoted for signing him.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:03 am

Strong dislike for him

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:08 am

Huddersfield are looking at taking him on a season long loan from Derby who want him off their wage bill

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:10 am

He doesn't work anywhere near hard enough for the prem, which is why he's currently one good game in three for Perennial Bottlers County.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:11 am

Quick with a decent goal scoring record. Would certainly add something different to our squad.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:13 am

Heres hoping they want Hughes' wages off their wage bill and we are in for him

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:15 am

If he was good enough he would have been snapped up long ago, there's a reason he's still at Derby. Would fit into Huddersfield well as they are new to the top, but I would be worried if we were after him.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:17 am

Not for me. Bit lazy, occasionally spectacular but too often doesn't do the basics.

Interesting signing for Huddersfield but if that's the level of what they end up signing then that'll do for me. We're looking at better.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:19 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:He doesn't work anywhere near hard enough for the prem, which is why he's currently one good game in three for Perennial Bottlers County.

So you watch a lot of Deby matches to be able to say he has 1 good game out of every 3?

Derby have been a joke for 2 seasons with management changes and any player struggles for consistency within such an environment. He has potential and in my opinion think at a settled club with a good bunch of players and management team like we have a player like Ince could flourish. He is 1 of a few players I think you could pick up for max 4 million and could possibly treble if not quadruple his value in a season. If not clubs would still sign him for similar to what we paid. This to me makes it as low a risk signing as we could get.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:28 am

Cleveleys, I'm loving that idea that I've not seen him enough to comment but in your opinion he's worth a punt? I'm assuming both of us tend to watch other matches than Derby countys to be perfectly fair! Its like this for me.

- Derby haven't been promoted, despite spending a fortune on transfers and wages. I agree that they have had lot of turmoil, but still
- Ince is still there, which suggests that he's not good enough for anyone to risk. Even if he was, which part of his career, attitude and general play do you think attracts him to a Sean Dyche team?
- Derby under Rowett (a SD clone to be honest, certainly in attitude) want him off the wage bill.

Hughes I'd take a punt on, but again, he's happy to still be there. I'm not sure that fits our criteria on recruitment to be honest.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:29 am

claretspice wrote:Not for me. Bit lazy, occasionally spectacular but too often doesn't do the basics.

Interesting signing for Huddersfield but if that's the level of what they end up signing then that'll do for me. We're looking at better.

Such as? Good player is Tom Ince.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:42 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Cleveleys, I'm loving that idea that I've not seen him enough to comment but in your opinion he's worth a punt? I'm assuming both of us tend to watch other matches than Derby countys to be perfectly fair! Its like this for me.

- Derby haven't been promoted, despite spending a fortune on transfers and wages. I agree that they have had lot of turmoil, but still
- Ince is still there, which suggests that he's not good enough for anyone to risk. Even if he was, which part of his career, attitude and general play do you think attracts him to a Sean Dyche team?
- Derby under Rowett (a SD clone to be honest, certainly in attitude) want him off the wage bill.

Hughes I'd take a punt on, but again, he's happy to still be there. I'm not sure that fits our criteria on recruitment to be honest.

We all see things different I understand but when he was at Blackpool he was a big team player and was the consummate professional. Sometimes clubs like Derby with their massive playing staff cause players like Ince to go backwards.

I just think the ticks a few boxes for us

- has speed
- British
- top flight experience
- would fit in our wage structure
- can score goals from outside box
- set piece taker
- wouldnt cost too much
- flexible in where he can play

Only 2/3 yrs ago clubs were talking of signing him for 10/12 million. When you look at what Bamford, Gestede, Rhodes and McCormack went for surely Ince provides good value.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:49 am

The old 'he only has one good game in three' insult.

I wish our players had a good game every 3rd one. Just look at the players ratings from this site from last season to see how many players had 13 good games last year, and by good I mean making an impact.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:53 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Quick with a decent goal scoring record. Would certainly add something different to our squad.

Our first bone idle player?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:58 am

I would definitely like us to be in for him. Quick, tricky, direct and a good goalscoring record with time on his side.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:00 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The old 'he only has one good game in three' insult.

I wish our players had a good game every 3rd one. Just look at the players ratings from this site from last season to see how many players had 13 good games last year, and by good I mean making an impact.

If you are judging our players performances at Premier League level perhaps rather than judging Ince in one of the better squads in a league lower we should compare to his Premier league performaces, went to Palace on loan who quickly decided they didn't want him then joined Hull for free and within a few months bombed out back to the championship.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:12 am

claretdom wrote:If you are judging our players performances at Premier League level perhaps rather than judging Ince in one of the better squads in a league lower we should compare to his Premier league performaces, went to Palace on loan who quickly decided they didn't want him then joined Hull for free and within a few months bombed out back to the championship.

I'm judging the comment of 'one good game in three'.

One in three is actually a good ratio to have, especially for wingers.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:14 am

I didn't realise he'd been at so many clubs.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm judging the comment of 'one good game in three'.

One in three is actually a good ratio to have, especially for wingers.

How many good games as he had at Premier league level ?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:19 am

Wouldn't one in three in the championship equate to one in six in the prem. If that.

There's a reason he's being talked about going to Huddersfield, and why there isn't a queue of clubs opening up a bidding war.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:20 am

claretdom wrote:How many good games as he had at Premier league level ?

He has only played 15 games which 7 were sub appearances. At Hull he was a new signing bedding in which as shown with our own players an immediate impact is not expected and time is needed to bed in. At Palace was a loan signing and personally I don't much attention to players form when on loan for a short time.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:23 am

anagram of 'to mince'.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:25 am

He's crap.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:20 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Wouldn't one in three in the championship equate to one in six in the prem. If that.

There's a reason he's being talked about going to Huddersfield, and why there isn't a queue of clubs opening up a bidding war.

Is the reason no one likes his dad?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:44 pm

No, I'd love to have signed his dad.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:11 pm

Played against PL opposition for Derby In the FA Cup, think it was against Stoke where he scored two corners and won Derby the tie. (Could have been WBA)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:14 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:He has only played 15 games which 7 were sub appearances. At Hull he was a new signing bedding in which as shown with our own players an immediate impact is not expected and time is needed to bed in.

What happened when he'd bedded in at Hull? They got rid

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:What happened when he'd bedded in at Hull? They got rid

Like they did with Boyd who hasn't turned out too badly for us. Ince is a talented player, ticks boxes even as an impact sub.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:What happened when he'd bedded in at Hull? They got rid

Similar to how they got rid of Boyd.
How Huddersfield got rid of Arfield.
UTD and Keane.
Villa and Lowton.
City and Trippier and Mee.
Rangers and Barton
Wolves and Vokes
Brighton and Barnes

The core of our are a team of misfits who no-one really wanted

I know he isn't the finished article and may never be but the market we are shopping in is very small compared to most Premiership clubs. We are even competing with rich Championship clubs for the players we want. Sometimes a player just fits a la Barton. I believe in Dyche as not just a manager but a man manager who players respect and they would run through walls for him. There is a good player in Ince somewhere, he is different to any player we have and not because his dad is an arse ha ha. Next season we will need a different plan at times as teams will respect us more and fight more knowing they need to put in a proper shift to beat us. Looking at our team/squad at the mo there are few players who we could introduce into a team on 65/70 mins that gives us pace and isn't scared to run at defenders and make something happen. Ince has the ability to do that, proven at Championship level but not at Premiership level so far I admit.

ClaretAndBlue94 · Post by **ClaretAndBlue94** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:35 pm

Certainly has it in his locker but rarely ever seems to show it.

Dependent on wages I would take a look, would add something we currently lack

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:03 pm

"Looking at our team/squad at the mo there are few players who we could introduce into a team on 65/70 mins that gives us pace and isn't scared to run at defenders and make something happen".

Don't you mean Sean, Ian and Billy huddled together with their hands over their mouths as if suddenly surprised that substitutions exist and then finally getting him on in the 84th minute?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:02 pm

He tends to shine in patches and in between stand around waiting for the ball.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:06 pm

I know a few Derby fans, they say he's crap too

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:24 pm

With some man management I think he'd be worth a risk. Clarets will not exactly have the pick of top talent in the market.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:28 pm

I liked Stanislas. We need a bit of pace and intent.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:30 pm

Like Colburn said, there's a reason he ain't been snapped up.

Good Championship player, but that's it.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:Derby who want him off their wage bill

does this mean Candy has lost it's crush and financial prudence has been forced on Mel - heard they want rid of a few big earners including Shackell

not a bad piece of business that one

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:29 am

Derby have never lost a game that Ince has scored in (remember hearing this stat late into last season so could have changed in last few games).

He would definitely add something different to our attack but would hinder how we currently play. If the framework was being changed by Dyche for next season to maybe push on then we could do a lot worse with the amout Ince would cost ...... Definitely do a lot worse if we managed to pip Hudds to a loan deal.

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:16 pm

Similar type to Stanislaus - and Dyche got rid

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:22 pm

maidenover wrote:Similar type to Stanislaus - and Dyche got rid

Junior was offered a contract for the season in the premier but he rejected it and went to Bourmouth in the championship

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm

Have Derby really rejected a 7million bid for him ?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:15 pm

claretdom wrote:Have Derby really rejected a 7million bid for him ?

£7.2, it doesn't seem they are quite desperate to get him off the wage bill

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:55 am

claretdom wrote:Have Derby really rejected a 7million bid for him ?

It appears so, £7.2 million is the figure suggested that they've turned down, but at the same time they've reportedly accepted a £5 million bid from Watford for Will Hughes.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:It appears so, £7.2 million is the figure suggested that they've turned down, but at the same time they've reportedly accepted a £5 million bid from Watford for Will Hughes.

That is some comedown he has be joining Liverpool for the last 3 years. I remember jambo bigging him on here last season trying to claim that if we bought him last summer for 10million he would automatically be worth 20million this summer, looks like he was another sucked into the hype of someone not always 1st choice at Derby.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:52 am

I'll crap in my hands and clap if Hughes leaves for £5million unless its due to a clause.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:13 am

It is a bit odd. I'd suggest Ince is more one dimensional than Hughes, but then Hughes seems lighteweight, talented but lightweight. Hughes reminds me of Wilshire, talented, injury prone and did I mention light....
Ince, I've always thought of him as sturdy, bit of timber, bit of skill, found out too easily. £7 million? Possibly worthy of a fringe player exchange, nothing more. If we were interested.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:05 pm

Set to sign for Watford apparently

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:06 pm

The only source I've seen is "the even less reliable than me Transfer Centre Live"

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:11 pm

Interest reported in Derby Telegraph and Hertfordshire Mercury 4/5 days ago. Said to have moved on from that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:14 pm

Now that does seem like a rather good deal, especially in the context of £17 million for Maguire