Burnley in favour of safe standing but what do you think?

[criminalclaret]

Concourses that have been designed for terracing have less inclines and more width per level (2x3 times a standard seat row).
Concourses that have been designed for seating that are steeper to fit more rows on, and therefore the inclines are a lot larger.

Converting seating concourses to standing terraces they need to put in the "safe seating" style seat/terrace to stop people falling down when moving around. Exiting the concourse down the stair well is the same as what you do at the moment in all-seater areas.

It's a no brainer for me. Gives the 10-20% of the crowd who want to stand the option to do it safely, whilst still having the seat for comfort at HT. Others such as family can be in seated only areas and the officials can enforce that by saying "sit here or move over there". Maintains the same capacity of the ground for safety and stewarding and so the clubs know what revenue to expect. Doesn't require enormous conversions just changing the seat out the seat/terrace.

[forzagranata]

A definite yes from me - because it will bring the atmosphere and singing back. The grounds are far too quiet these days.

I was at Parkhead recently and it is the safe-standing area that starts the songs and generates the (very good) atmosphere at Celtic games.

[ClaretTony]

No need for all this faffing about just keep things as they are and let people stand up, it seems safe enough to me

There has to be one hasn't there?

[Goody1975]

I really want this to happen but also it needs to be done as part of a ground redevelopment, we have talked about what ground improvements are needed at Turf Moor and the majority of people are after better facilities and views NOT what Mike Garlick thinks about capacity increases.

The last thing we should be doing is bolting rails onto the inadequate seating areas we already have, especially when thousands of seats currently have some kind of restricted view. The idea of safe standing is to improve the atmosphere as well as giving choice to people who want to stand but creating an area in either one of the lower tiers (not conducive to any kind of atmosphere) or the CFS which has a large amount of restricted view seats is doing a **** poor job of what could be a massive positive change for Turf Moor.

Hopefully we can stay up again this season and that would give us the necessary funding to put a serious plan in place for a long term vision at our special home.

[Claretforever]

I'd love it to be part of a new Bob Lord Stand/Cricket Field Stand wrap around new build in a couple of years.

Seating in Bob Lord stand, including corner seating for away fans. Then an entire end behind the goals for rail seating split 3:2 to home fans.

Pipe dream for now though.

[ClaretTony]

Over 700 votes received now

[IanMcL]

If it keeps the stand ups in one place, fine. Always used to be a great atmosphere. Crowd increase too. However, need to keep some sound in the Longside. Also, not suitable for me nowadays. Legs can't take it and I like to see everything!

[ClaretTony]

Last day today for voting - almost 750 now received

[ŽižkovClaret]

Safe standing = safe seating too. If people who want to stand have their own area, it lends weight and justification to zero-tolerance on standing in other areas which can often spoil the experience of those who wish to sit, and those who have no option but to sit.

[clitheroeclaret2]

It's a no brainer for me. Gives the 10-20% of the crowd who want to stand the option to do it safely, whilst still having the seat for comfort at HT. Others such as family can be in seated only areas and the officials can enforce that by saying "sit here or move over there". Maintains the same capacity of the ground for safety and stewarding and so the clubs know what revenue to expect. Doesn't require enormous conversions just changing the seat out the seat/terrace.

Think the above figures might need reversing, just voted yes and 90% in favour of standing!


Can remember going on Kop in 60`s in midst of 20,000, our feet hardly touched the floor all game That was something else

[dsr]

Think the above figures might need reversing, just voted yes and 90% in favour of standing!

Voting yes means you're in favour of having standing at the ground. Not necessarily that you want to stand yourself.

[Claret&Green]

Claret & Green, please take a look at the picture posted above this post and explain how pushing and crushing would occur to cause "another Hillsborough"?

You get an allocated seat/space. There is a barrier behind you and a barrier in front of you. Think standing in a seated space now, but with more space and a barrier so nobody could push and shove you forwards or backwards. Also then imagine it's an option so people stand in standing areas, and if you buy a seat then you ALL sit. To be clear, because I have a feeling you don't get it, you can buy a safe standing ticket OR you can buy a seat so your grandson can sit without people standing in front.

I'm sure people think the idea is to have big sprawling terraces of old with hardly any barriers and no seating options...

So with "safe standing" your allocated 1 spot that's going to take up the same space as 1 seat, therefore not going to increase capacity or atmosphere. If everyone in seats stayed sat there'd be no difference, also what if like my son your only 3ft and a strapping 6ft bloke is in the space in front, your not gonna see a thing.

[UpTheBeehole]

It wouldn't increase capacity no, but it would definitely improve atmosphere.

[ClaretTony]

So with "safe standing" your allocated 1 spot that's going to take up the same space as 1 seat, therefore not going to increase capacity or atmosphere. If everyone in seats stayed sat there'd be no difference, also what if like my son your only 3ft and a strapping 6ft bloke is in the space in front, your not gonna see a thing.

You have the option to go into seating areas if you want to sit, or standing areas should you wish to stand.


In terms of capacity - some in Germany it can double the capacity because they can get two standing in each seating area because of the space in front of the seats. At Celtic is one because they've been placed where there used to be seats and there is only space for one.

[Top Claret]

I really can't see the point in safe standing. No different than standing in front of your seat, it won't make one snuff of difference to the atmosphere.

Standing in a pen is no different than sitting down, a complete waste of time and money.

Whats the point in standing when you can't do any gooning, none.

[ClaretTony]

I really can't see the point in safe standing. No different than standing in front of your seat, it won't make one snuff of difference to the atmosphere.

For a ridiculous and ill informed response, that will take some beating.

[UpTheBeehole]

I really can't see the point in safe standing. No different than standing in front of your seat, it won't make one snuff of difference to the atmosphere.

It will make it safer. It's literally a pain when there's an important goal scored, with knees and shins taking flak from the seat in front, and that's if you're lucky enough not to end up a row or two in front. Even with seating, I can think of a number of occasions where I've ended up a row or two in front, such is the surge from people behind, and I've never ended up upright.

[Claretforever]

So with "safe standing" your allocated 1 spot that's going to take up the same space as 1 seat, therefore not going to increase capacity or atmosphere. If everyone in seats stayed sat there'd be no difference, also what if like my son your only 3ft and a strapping 6ft bloke is in the space in front, your not gonna see a thing.

C&G, it's likes you're purposely trying to make it hard for yourself or kin to enjoy the chance of standing in a much safer environment than we currently have. Imagine Turf Moor now but with rail seating at the Cricket Field End. You therefore have 3 full stands, or 18,000 seats, where you could choose to sit without someone standing in your way. That's the same at away games where you will have the choice eventually. Right now if you go away you stand.

If you choose to stand at home, but are vertically challenged by more than a foot, then of course there is a chance someone could be taller than you. I'd therefore advise you to stand at the front.

In England/Scotland it is one seat per place, just like per seat now. It COULD, in future, be a little more like the German model where it's about 1.8 standing spaces per seat. The reason is that we take up more space sitting than we do standing. They take advantage of this. Let's walk before we run, and get it in first.