Defour to stay put?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:17 pm

Article in t'Express:

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agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:20 pm

There's little in that article really, but I hope he does.

He's certainly one of, if not THE, most naturally gifted players at the club.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:23 pm

That article suggests the complete opposite, not for one second did I get the impression the article matched the headline.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:32 pm

I cannot see him being here in August for one second.

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see us loan him out for a loan fee and his wages being covered - a real shame.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:36 pm

I'd love him to stay, and I'd love him to feature.

Resigned to losing him, but want him to stay

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:50 pm

That article is at least a month old...

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:03 pm

I wish he would putt. I've been on this 4th hole for ages!

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:06 pm

The article seems to say he won't leave because he can't.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:13 pm

Realistically who is going to want him given his non-performances in 2017?

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:17 pm

he needs to step up and stop believing his own hype. He has been found wanting and am fairly sure SD will have been telling why and what he needs to do, but if its to difficult for him then he needs to move himself off somewhere that he is more comfortable.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:28 pm

KateR wrote:he needs to step up and stop believing his own hype. He has been found wanting and am fairly sure SD will have been telling why and what he needs to do, but if its to difficult for him then he needs to move himself off somewhere that he is more comfortable.

Been found wanting? I disagree, I think he can be happy with his performances throughout the season.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:38 pm

then we definitely disagree, but am sure if you tell SD he will start him in every match and keep him on for 90 minuets regardless.

and to be 100% sure you understand what I am saying, he is a player with talent no doubt but it's clearly wasted at Burnley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:Been found wanting? I disagree, I think he can be happy with his performances throughout the season.

If he's happy with his performances then he's easily pleased. He's clearly got quality but he clearly needs to offer more than he has.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:If he's happy with his performances then he's easily pleased. He's clearly got quality but he clearly needs to offer more than he has.

What were Defours average ratings for the season on here?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:46 pm

Hope so I love the miserable little bugger

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:48 pm

Some strange posts. He obviously has quality, has only shown it in glimpses and I mean glimpses per game. He's had hallf decent games at best, possibly marked up to a decent game by a bit of trickery. Overall he has neither shown willing to be part of the team nor proven he's good enough. It's ok flicking a ball here and there and scoring the odd ok goal, but as even Arsenal fans will tell you with Ozil. He drives them NUTS! More effort, more contribution.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:53 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Some strange posts. He obviously has quality, has only shown it in glimpses and I mean glimpses per game. He's had hallf decent games at best, possibly marked up to a decent game by a bit of trickery. Overall he has neither shown willing to be part of the team nor proven he's good enough. It's ok flicking a ball here and there and scoring the odd ok goal, but as even Arsenal fans will tell you with Ozil. He drives them NUTS! More effort, more contribution.

It would help if he actually played mate, he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at the Turf.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:56 pm

maybe, just maybe, it's the lack of mobility of the players in front of him that diminish his effectiveness? Or is the commonly-held view that he should run more at defenses, a la Jeff Hendrick, lose the ball, and then the whole team is out of position?

Plenty on here suggesting he needs to offer more - well can someone pinpoint what that is?

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:01 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote: Overall he has neither shown willing to be part of the team nor proven he's good enough.

Comedy gold. He's not willing to waste away on the bench I hope you mean, despite being the most gifted player in the team. Genuinely no idea what he has to do to prove he has the quality if being obviously our best centre mid isn't good enough.

Bet you're one of these types who would be "chuffed to bits" with us signing Whelan because he "tries hard"

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It would help if he actually played mate, he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at the Turf.

Okay. I'll re-define it. Would you play an attacking minded Messi in defensive midfield?

It's a wavered comparison but the idea is there. He's a weak link. Out of position, not at his best. I get that, but with limited resources. I'm not necessarily criticising the guy. Just needs some more Bloody Oomph! It is a team game. Potentially a good player withing a framework. Given opportunity.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 pm

We need both types SGr

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Guich wrote:We need both types SGr

You're right we do. I don't think we're going to be short on effort...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It would help if he actually played mate, he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at the Turf.

Do you mean he's ruled out with injury far too often or, when he does start, can't wait to come off?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:08 pm

How many games has Steven Defour started for us?

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:09 pm

SGr wrote:Comedy gold. He's not willing to waste away on the bench I hope you mean, despite being the most gifted player in the team. Genuinely no idea what he has to do to prove he has the quality if being obviously our best centre mid isn't good enough.

Bet you're one of these types who would be "chuffed to bits" with us signing Whelan because he "tries hard"

If you can't understand the concept of how players in a system work then I give up! Comedy Gold?

I am doing that to you right now.

The GUY has ability but is not using it. He is not fitting into the shape of the team. That is not necessarily his fault, but may have been a long term strategy to build on this season. Football is not just over one season you know SGr?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:If he's happy with his performances then he's easily pleased. He's clearly got quality but he clearly needs to offer more than he has.

Clearly

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:12 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:If you can't understand the concept of how players in a system work then I give up! Comedy Gold? I am doing that to you right now.

The GUY has ability but is not using it. He is not fitting into the shape of the team. That is not necessarily his fault, but may have been a long term strategy to build on this season. Football is not just over one season you know SGr?

Its Dyche's job to get Defour working/fitting into our team, sadly I think it's Dyche that has failed on this one not Defour.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:13 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:If you can't understand the concept of how players in a system work then I give up! Comedy Gold? I am doing that to you right now.

The GUY has ability but is not using it. He is not fitting into the shape of the team. That is not necessarily his fault, but may have been a long term strategy to build on this season. Football is not just over one season you know SGr?

So yeah those games against Hull Watford and Sunderland, where he started and was quality and ALSO registered goals and assists, didn't happen then? Not convinced where all this "doesn't fit the system" lark comes from - nothing wrong with him playing in 4-4-2

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:13 pm

Here's a fact for you all: Sean Dyche isn't always right.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:16 pm

When playing he's been easily one of our standout players. There's not a lot he can do about getting injured. Some people are equating Dyche keeping him on the bench with Defour putting in poor performances.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:21 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Its Dyche's job to get Defour working/fitting into our team, sadly I think it's Dyche that has failed on this one not Defour.

Really? It might well be his job to get him to work/fit into our team but the player has got to want to play first.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Really? It might well be his job to get him to work/fit into our team but the player has got to want to play first.

How do you know that he didn't want to play?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:26 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:How do you know that he didn't want to play?

Watching the games, seeing his body language, and his wanting to come off. Let's put it this way, if any of the players had his supposed injuries, they'd play.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:26 pm

If we played two holding midfielders behind him then he would thrive. We don't, therefore he struggles.
In a 442 both midfielders need to be able to put a tackle in and work hard, as well as getting further up the pitch, he goes missing far too often and is lightweight.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Watching the games, seeing his body language, and his wanting to come off. Let's put it this way, if any of the players had his supposed injuries, they'd play.

Ben Mee and Michael Keane missed the last part of the season with minor injuries.

Tom Heaton missed a huge match because he was 'unwell'

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:29 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Its Dyche's job to get Defour working/fitting into our team, sadly I think it's Dyche that has failed on this one not Defour.

Dyche's job was to keep us in the Premier League.

He did not fail.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Watching the games, seeing his body language, and his wanting to come off. Let's put it this way, if any of the players had his supposed injuries, they'd play.

So just your opinion, then.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:29 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Ben Mee and Michael Keane missed the last part of the season with minor injuries.

Both Keane & Mee had played every minute of every Premier League game until Mee was forced off at half time against Man U. Our man in the know (bfccrazy) told us that day that Mee had gone for a scan and wouldn't play again. Keane's injury was so minor, it kept him out of the internationals.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:30 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:So just your opinion, then.

My opinion, my eyes plus a bit of info I'd been given. I seriously believe that he is ruled out with injury when he's fit enough to play.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:31 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Really? It might well be his job to get him to work/fit into our team but the player has got to want to play first.

What is your problem with Defour? You clearly have a problem with him. I don't see what hes done wrong to make you slag him at every opportunity, I understand the Jensen thing. He wants to leave because he is unhappy on the bench, hes said it himself, doesn't sound like a man who doesn't want to play.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Really? It might well be his job to get him to work/fit into our team but the player has got to want to play first.

So Defour ...dosent want to come on....wants to come off....He's always feigning injury?, when did we actually see all this Tomfoolery from Defour,seemed to remember him warming the bench for most of the second half of the season,when he played the first half of the season,I saw we had signed a truly class footballer,and you are putting his situation down to a bad attitude? ...naw you might know a lot what goes on at the Turf,but Defour's situation has passed you by.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Steve1956 wrote:So Defour ...dosent want to come on....wants to come off....He's always feigning injury?, when did we actually see all this Tomfoolery from Defour,seemed to remember him warming the bench for most of the second half of the season,when he played the first half of the season,I saw we had signed a truly class footballer,and you are putting his situation down to a bad attitude? ...naw you might know a lot what goes on at the Turf,but Defour's situation has passed you by.

The Defour situation has not passed me by - but it certainly seems to have done that for you.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Both Keane & Mee had played every minute of every Premier League game until Mee was forced off at half time against Man U. Our man in the know (bfccrazy) told us that day that Mee had gone for a scan and wouldn't play again. Keane's injury was so minor, it kept him out of the internationals.

What about when Tom Heaton was 'unwell' for our massive game against Swansea?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The Defour situation has not passed me by - but it certainly seems to have done that for you.

Ok ...I hope we Sign Whelan.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:39 pm

If Steven Defour had missed a 6 pointer for feeling 'unwell' there'd be all kinds of nonsense going round.

'He seemed fine enough when he had his picture taken by his missus on instagram'
'He doesn't want to be here'
'He thinks he's better than us'

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:39 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:What about when Tom Heaton was 'unwell' for our massive game against Swansea?

I don't understand that purpose of that comment

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:39 pm

If Defour and Arfield stay it probably means we will only sign 1 winger and 1 cm

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't understand that purpose of that comment

You said that Defour misses games through injuries you KNOW he'd be able to play through.

Tom Heaton missed one of the biggest games of the season because his tummy was a lickle bit poorly.

No slavver for Heaton though.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:41 pm

Would be good to see what he's like if he got a full pre season under his belt. Pretty sure Dyche mentioned early last season that Wenger had said it can take foreign players a season to get used to the physicality and pace (not sure I believe that myself).

There are obviously a lot of question marks over his fitness levels. A good footballer though.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:41 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You said that Defour misses games through injuries you KNOW he'd be able to play through.

Tom Heaton missed one of the biggest games of the season because his tummy was a lickle bit poorly.

No slavver for Heaton though.

Bit of a strange comparison.