Tammy Abraham

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:22 pm

Sign him up?

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MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:27 pm

I am sure after the lack of game time we gave Bamford, Chelsea would be very reluctant about loaning him out to us

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:30 pm

Excellent prospect. But unlikely permanent and not sure its worth a loan.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:31 pm

Or indeed Chalobah for that matter. I think we may have weed on our chips a bit there !

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:36 pm

I don't think we did the wrong thing with Bamford and Chalobah. Winning games was and is our priority and we were more likely to do that with other players ahead of them. Plus so much of our success is based on togetherness and team spirit. I am not sure loans always help with that, especially with young lads who are much more concerned with advancing their own careers.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:44 pm

Tammy.........really mum?

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:22 pm

Chelsea probaby impressed that Dyche weeded out Bamford making their decision to sell for 10 mill an easy one...Kurt Zouma is the one we need to be talking to Chelsea about.They are sticking him out on loan next season.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:58 pm

i'd be looking to take a few of the Chelsea youngsters on permanent deals, if the wages aren't crazy. Zouma, Loftus Cheek, Chalobah, Kennedy, Ake, Abraham and Traore to mention a few. im sure they have a few more like Baker too but im not sure how well they have progressed over the last year. Plenty of good youngsters get discarded by big clubs (Keane, Mee, Trippier) and we should look to benefit.

JamesSherbourne · Post by **JamesSherbourne** » Thu May 04, 2017 6:36 pm

Zouma would be a cracking signing on loan, he would get minutes next season

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Thu May 04, 2017 6:42 pm

Abraham is a rather different prospect to Bamford. The latter had already failed several times over and was as useless for us as expected.

I'm not saying that Abraham is the second coming of Andy Cole, but I could see him similarly moving to Newcastle and being a hit at premier league level.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu May 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Looks a bit too lightweight for Dyche.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu May 04, 2017 7:37 pm

We don't need him. We've got Ageyi!

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:37 pm

Didn't impress in the cup game.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:47 pm

No chance Chelsea will lend us another player.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:49 pm

Murger wrote:No chance Chelsea will lend us another player.

Id rather we bought youngsters over developing them for other teams. Lets buy him or try to

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri May 05, 2017 8:57 am

KRBFC wrote:Id rather we bought youngsters over developing them for other teams. Lets buy him or try to

Whilst not necessarily agreeing regarding this player, the overall sentiment accords with my own. We should only loan players with a view of us buying them at the end of their loans(Tripps, Mee, Keane et al). To me, there's little point in essentially developing some other bugger's player for them and handing them back. We're not in the Championship now.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:00 am

'If the wages aren't too high' Chelsea youngsters wages are massive. Look at Bamford who earned a fortune by not playing ( football that is not his violin).

I think Abraham looks a good prospect though.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:02 am

Chalobah was on £30k a week when he was with us last time.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:05 am

KRBFC wrote:i'd be looking to take a few of the Chelsea youngsters on permanent deals, if the wages aren't crazy. Zouma, Loftus Cheek, Chalobah, Kennedy, Ake, Abraham and Traore to mention a few. im sure they have a few more like Baker too but im not sure how well they have progressed over the last year. Plenty of good youngsters get discarded by big clubs (Keane, Mee, Trippier) and we should look to benefit.

The key phrase being "if the wages aren't crazy".

There was talk of Bamford being on £35k wasn't there? The same figure quoted in an article today as being out highest earner's (Brady) wage.

I doubt we'd pay an inexperienced youngster the same as our top earner. These lads can just sit on their arses and count the cash coming in.

The hard bit is seeking out those who are both good enough and love the game, want to play and are willing to take a pay cut to do so. Mee and Trippier both seemed to have that mentality and fit the bill perfectly.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:14 am

Chalobah is on a long deal at Chelsea .Will sign for Reading if they go up.he's the most overrated player the media hyped up in a long time
When he got game time with us he look disinterested .ditto Bamford
Chelsea have some top youngsters they just don't fancy wet and windy East Lancs to develop their futures in

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:29 am

I don't think loans work for us. A loan with an option to buy is different, but I doubt that Chelsea are ready to sell him yet. I have an idea that Flannagan might sign on permanently. Don't know anything, just a gut feeling. I don't think he's impressed enough to catch the eye of Klopp, and despite the negativity from this board, he obviously pleases Dyche. He's shown that he could be a good back up for Wardy, and we don't have a natural fullback, other than him, on the bench.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Fri May 05, 2017 5:03 pm

Flanaghan played really well last Saturday but thats the first time he has shown anything. His lack of game time is not entirely due to the form of Ward. I'm not sure he's a Dyche player.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:42 pm

WATCHING HIM IN THE UNDER 21'S , THIS LAD STILL HAS A LONG WAY TO GO

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:49 pm

Has anybody watched this guy in the U21s? Pants, and he's just passed a penalty kick back to the German keeper, quality that Tammy, quality. Another overrated Chelsea reserve no kidding

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:52 pm

Goalposts wrote:WATCHING HIM IN THE UNDER 21'S , THIS LAD STILL HAS A LONG WAY TO GO

Scored a good goal, had nothing but hopeful aimless punts up to him for the remainder of the game. Probably the same dire negative service he'd receive here so he probably isn't right for us, I think we need a top form Drogba or someone capable of controlling punts surrounded by 4 defenders and then smacking it in the net from a ridiculous angle or dribbling by the defenders.

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:53 pm

No service all match and then the weakest of pens
Very poor in his biggest game
Isolated all game really

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:54 pm

I think Chelsea would be making a big mistake loaning him to a PL team near the bottom. When the going gets tough and people start worrying for points I don't think many teams would rely on a loan player. Chelsea should loan him to a Championship aiming for promotion. Fulham, for example.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:55 pm

Cant believe Swansea think this is the player to lead their line next season. With him up front they are going to seriously struggle to score goals next season. Got the feeling he thinks he is better than he is, not just on tonights performance but how he thinks after one season in the Championship he thinks he is ready for the Premiership. In my opinion he should have tried to get a loan move to a team that is expected to win promotion next season, would have got enough chances in the league to score 20 plus again rather than feeding on scraps in the Premiership which at times can be soul destroying. No matter what level you play at the more goals you score the better you become through confidence and gaining that extra bit of know how which only benefits the younger players later in their careers

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:56 pm

Can't believe how rubbish England where
I'm in shock at all the huffball played and all the football played by the opposition

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Cant believe Swansea think this is the player to lead their line next season. With him up front they are going to seriously struggle to score goals next season. Got the feeling he thinks he is better than he is, not just on tonights performance but how he thinks after one season in the Championship he thinks he is ready for the Premiership. In my opinion he should have tried to get a loan move to a team that is expected to win promotion next season, would have got enough chances in the league to score 20 plus again rather than feeding on scraps in the Premiership which at times can be soul destroying. No matter what level you play at the more goals you score the better you become through confidence and gaining that extra bit of know how which only benefits the younger players later in their careers

He scored a bagful in the Championship last year for a struggling team why on earth does he need to waste another year in a league hes clearly too good for?

It takes a real numpty to judge a players ability based off one appearance where he received nothing but punts.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:33 pm

Sorry but this is only my opinion but why would at such a young age when you still have 15 years of your career left would you want to waste your time at a club like Swansea who will expect him to be what Llorente was for them last season. Every week struggling to get the ball and if you miss a chance which he will the fans will get on his back, and even more so as he isn't one of their own....just their a season so they wont be arsed about slagging him off. Going from Llorente to an untried youngster stinks of a board doing it on the cheap and which he will bear the brunt of.

Or play for lets say Middlesborough who with Monk in charge should be a much more attractive side to watch than last season. Will create lots of chances which means if he misses one or two another chance will more than likely come his way. He will be hero worshipped for the season if he does as he did at Bristol City last season which I think he is capable of. Then end of the season he will have had 2 seasons at that level with 20 plus goals two seasons running. On promotion (I know nothing certain but that's why I said he should chance it with an expected promotion contender) he still is only 20 and not going to get in Chelsea's side so would hope to stay a further year at a club where he is now idolised with a team that know his strengths and play to them.

Just that belief which scoring goals instils in a player is vital to a players development. Look at Bamford - did in one season then felt he was good enough and had premiership loan spells that proved he wasn't ready. Look at him now. Tammy is only 19 still, the big clubs will come for him if he just carries on doing what he did last season.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:35 pm

Is Llorente leaving or something?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:37 pm

He wants to play in the PL long term.
He clearly has a belief that he's good enough.

There's a bloke in charge at Swansea that he knows and respects and vice versa.
That would explain why he's gone to Swansea.

Maybe he looks at what Rashford is doing and thinks he can emulate him.

There's nothing wrong with any of that, so long as he hasn't got the whiny arsed attitude of Bamford to go with it.

Why waste time faffing about in the championship?
He's knocked in more goals in a season down there than many more experienced pros have done.

Good luck to him I say, at least he's showing a desire to get somewhere.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:43 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Is Llorente leaving or something?

My bad I thought he was only contracted for one year but on looking seems I am wrong. Which makes the move even more baffling. A bench warmer at best

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:45 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Sorry but this is only my opinion but why would at such a young age when you still have 15 years of your career left would you want to waste your time at a club like Swansea who will expect him to be what Llorente was for them last season. Every week struggling to get the ball and if you miss a chance which he will the fans will get on his back, and even more so as he isn't one of their own....just their a season so they wont be arsed about slagging him off. Going from Llorente to an untried youngster stinks of a board doing it on the cheap and which he will bear the brunt of.

Or play for lets say Middlesborough who with Monk in charge should be a much more attractive side to watch than last season. Will create lots of chances which means if he misses one or two another chance will more than likely come his way. He will be hero worshipped for the season if he does as he did at Bristol City last season which I think he is capable of. Then end of the season he will have had 2 seasons at that level with 20 plus goals two seasons running. On promotion (I know nothing certain but that's why I said he should chance it with an expected promotion contender) he still is only 20 and not going to get in Chelsea's side so would hope to stay a further year at a club where he is now idolised with a team that know his strengths and play to them.

Just that belief which scoring goals instils in a player is vital to a players development. Look at Bamford - did in one season then felt he was good enough and had premiership loan spells that proved he wasn't ready. Look at him now. Tammy is only 19 still, the big clubs will come for him if he just carries on doing what he did last season.

How do you know he has 15 years left? Dean Ashton probably thought the same. Llorente is still at Swansea..... I don't understand why he should waste his time in a league he's to good for just because he potentially has time to waste.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:46 pm

League 1 is his level.Hyped up as the next big thing.He lacks control pace and for a big guy, crap in the air.
Swansea have Llorente why on earth do they want Abraham hes way off being off a top player.
As a kid in Chelseas youth team he probably looked a player but he's not progressed at all as he's got older.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:47 pm

You've stated he's league 1 at best despite his goal scoring feats in the championship..

He can also learn from Llorente.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:49 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
There's a bloke in charge at Swansea that he knows and respects and vice versa.
That would explain why he's gone to Swansea.

Clement was at Chelsea from 07-09. The last season he was Assistant Manager under Ancelotti, Being 8 yrs ago when Tammy was 10/11. I never realised that even at such a big club that the Assistant managers took such an interest in the youth teams at U12,U13,U14 levels.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:52 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Clement was at Chelsea from 07-09. The last season he was Assistant Manager under Ancelotti, Being 8 yrs ago when Tammy was 10/11. I never realised that even at such a big club that the Assistant managers took such an interest in the youth teams at U12,U13,U14 levels.

Clement is also a well respected coach across Europe, hence his jobs.

You're absolutely determined to write Abraham off and it's just bizarre.
Why is that?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:54 pm

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Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:57 pm

sorry didn't realise that Tammy was that good even at 10/11 to be playing in their under 16 team

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:01 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:League 1 is his level.Hyped up as the next big thing.He lacks control pace and for a big guy, crap in the air.
Swansea have Llorente why on earth do they want Abraham hes way off being off a top player.
As a kid in Chelseas youth team he probably looked a player but he's not progressed at all as he's got older.

He only scored 25 goals last year for a struggling team in the Championship but apparently League One is actually his level. LMFAO

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:05 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:sorry didn't realise that Tammy was that good even at 10/11 to be playing in their under 16 team

No offence but are you being deliberately dense?

As an U16 coach it would be his job to be aware of other talent in the lower age groups.
Its like scouting but at a very basic level.

Its not even rocket science to get round to that way of thinking.

The youth coaches will all talk to each other within a club.
They'll make each other aware of certain players, advise each other etc.

If you don't like the kid just say so, but the guff you're coming out with is making you look daft.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:07 pm

Oh and the really good players will actually step up a level if the academy/youth coaches believe the player is good enough and will benefit from it.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Clement is also a well respected coach across Europe, hence his jobs.

You're absolutely determined to write Abraham off and it's just bizarre.
Why is that?

What have I said that writes him off? I mentioned how he seems to across like he thinks he is better than he is. I hope he does become the next big thing but like Rashford he will find that it isn't all plain sailing at a big club.

I am just of the opinion that players like Cole, Wright, Vardy, Phillips, even Kane to an extent playing for several clubs over a couple of seasons at a lower level before making the step up, have earned their stripes in the lower leagues. Yes it can happen the other way like Fowler, Rooney, Shearer but at the moment something is wrong with the English psyche at the top level. You only have to look at the squad in the last few games and having to recall Defoe. Whatever we are doing at present isn't working and I am a big believer in confidence being one of the main reasons for players failing to live up to their hype. Yes there are no guarantees on career length and such but at that age what would you rather be doing, sat on a bench at a club away from your home or becoming a hero and having that winning mentality instilled in you? If money is the key then being on loan doesn't really matter as you are still contracted to your Chelsea wage which will be a nice wedge for a teenager.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:17 pm

You just don't seem to want him to be playing in the top flight.

He's got the confidence, chucking him back into the championship will be a waste of time.

You've raised valid comparisons for both sides of the argument with the players you've mentioned, but why can't Abraham now go for PL experience?
Chelsea think he's good enough to loan to a PL club.

He will probably end up leaving Chelsea in the future judging from what they're up too this transfer window and Abe leaving etc.

Vardy and Wright worked their way through the lower leagues and stepped up each time.
Gray has done something similar, as did Austin.
They weren't loaned out, Austin was released by Reading if I remember rightly for being the wrong build or slow.

The others went out on loan etc.

Abraham will be on a decent wage, but he's clearly motivated to reach the top level and he's taking the right steps to do this.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:31 pm

I want nothing more than all top flight teams to have young English strikers banging in the goals for them. But sadly we know this isn't the way the Premiership works. Fingers crossed he starts well and carries the momentum throughout the season but with all the money in the league it is unforgiving on young players. Fans often get on the backs of loan players and are usually the first to be singled out for bad performances. I understand this is all part of growing up and as a player you cant have it both ways. Personally I would just enjoy being hero worshipped at a level where I am guaranteed games and enough chances to score goals, you would hope with that also comes success. Its like Rooney when he was young he was still playing with mates as he just buzzed off scoring goals that much. The players nowadays are part of a culture that want it all now and are in my opinion badly advised. I don't think his parent club are helping him as like you said they are looking at cashing in on their younger players and they will want him displaying his talents at the highest level possible.

I promise I am not trying to be argumentative but I just feel if he doesn't score for a few games he will be benched. We can all admit Llorente will be there no 1 striker (surely). They play with two men behind him which at the end of the season was Sigurdsson (undroppable) and Ayew. Now if he were to play in Ayews role then good stuff but he still aint going to get many chances to score in that role.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:50 pm

So you'd settle to play in the league below, scoring and being hero worshipped over trying to crack the top flight?

Says more about you then it does about Abraham.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:51 pm

Ayew played on the flank didn't he?

Jay Rod scored 16 from there prior to his injury if I remember rightly.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:59 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So you'd settle to play in the league below, scoring and being hero worshipped over trying to crack the top flight?

Says more about you then it does about Abraham.

At 19 knowing my gametime is going to be limited I would want to play twice a week banging in goals. The rest will come if you apply yourself properly. The Premiership isnt going anywhere and if you had 2 seasons of banging in 20/25 goals at that age the world is your oyster rather than having your every move on a pitch over analysed by so called pundits and a media which is unforgiving.