Soft Brexit defeated

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:26 pm

No mate, by working hard and making the most of the opportunities I made for myself. Btw, I didn't screw anything up for anybody; I made lemonade from the lemons I was given. Did you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:27 pm

BennyD wrote:No mate, by working hard and making the most of the opportunities I made for myself. Btw, I didn't screw anything up for anybody; I made lemonade from the lemons I was given. Did you?

How much were your tuition fees?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:27 pm

BennyD wrote:No mate, by working hard and making the most of the opportunities I made for myself. Btw, I didn't screw anything up for anybody; I made lemonade from the lemons I was given. Did you?

Only bitter ones

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Only if you're comparing your difficulties then with how you imagine your difficulties would measure up now. You fail to consider the possibility that there are different difficulties now that you didn't have to face.

No I didn't; if you read my previous post I mentioned that I appreciate the different pressures the convenience of life today brings, but even so, I would have swapped in a millisecond.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How much were your tuition fees?

I chose not to go to University, so f*ck all. You do realise you don't have to go Uni, don't you?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:35 pm

Lots of pressure to attend uni nowadays, it would appear that people aren't aware you can get by in life without a degree.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:35 pm

BennyD wrote:No mate, by working hard and making the most of the opportunities I made for myself. Btw, I didn't screw anything up for anybody; I made lemonade from the lemons I was given. Did you?

I made limoncello.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:50 pm

BennyD wrote:I chose not to go to University, so f*ck all. You do realise you don't have to go Uni, don't you?

Even if you had chose to go to university, or college, your tuition fees would have equally been "f*ck all".

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:51 pm

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:51 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Lots of pressure to attend uni nowadays, it would appear that people aren't aware you can get by in life without a degree.

Is that what you want for your kids? To merely "get by in life".

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Even if you had chose to go to university, or college, your tuition fees would have equally been "f*ck all".

Irrelevant and weak. You asked me how much my tuition fees were, not how much they would have been had I gone to university.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Is that what you want for your kids? To merely "get by in life".

Not everybody is academically inclined.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:56 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I made limoncello.

Is that why you appear to be permanently p!ssed?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:57 pm

BennyD wrote:Not everybody is academically inclined.

Hence the brexit vote, spearheaded by the uneducated OAPs of this nation.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:01 pm

BennyD wrote:Irrelevant and weak. You asked me how much my tuition fees were, not how much they would have been had I gone to university.

It was a rhetorical question to make a point. Just because you chose to answer it doesn't negate the point i made.

Life isn't any easier for today's teenagers than it was when you were a kid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:01 pm

BennyD wrote:Not everybody is academically inclined.

Or capable.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Hence the brexit vote, spearheaded by the uneducated OAPs of this nation.

You really are a f*cking idiot.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Is that what you want for your kids? To merely "get by in life".

Nah, I'd rather my kids made their own choices in life.
My youngest lad won't go to Uni, I already know that.

The oldest is still undecided.

As for getting by, how much do they need to earn so they aren't merely getting by?
We live in the South of England, so at a guess due to continuous rises in living costs, £50k plus?

There are companies where you don't need a degree to work there.
I know of a job now I'm waiting to when its officially available to apply for, massive company, no degree required and its a good job in there too.
The money will be less than £40k though I think.

Traveling expenses etc means the take home pay will be above merely getting by, but not by lots.

Maybe degrees aren't all they're made out to be, it just appears some people get a hard on about getting one.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:06 pm

BennyD wrote:You really are a f*cking idiot.

Those 65+ voted to Leave by 64/36.
Those educated to School level only voted to leave by 70/30.

I'll reiterate my statement. The brexit vote was spearheaded by uneducated OAPS.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:09 pm

I've got a degree, and I've delivered carpets for a living.

Best of both worlds and its means that I win this ridiculous ******* contest you've all got yourselves in to.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Does it matter what their schooling was?

Their life experiences more than makes up for it by the time they're an OAP, but I can see the degree educated snobs want to look down their noses at people around them already.

OAP's will remember joining the EU or whatever its version was back then.
They'll remember far more about it than most people on here.
Maybe, just maybe, they don't need a degree to come to the conclusion they've had enough of the EU.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Or capable.

That's another way of putting it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:14 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Does it matter what their schooling was?

Their life experiences more than makes up for it by the time they're an OAP, but I can see the degree educated snobs want to look down their noses at people around them already.

OAP's will remember joining the EU or whatever its version was back then.
They'll remember far more about it than most people on here.
Maybe, just maybe, they don't need a degree to come to the conclusion they've had enough of the EU.

You can try an explain around the facts all you like but the fact is that people with a lower education overwhelmingly voted leave, while those who have proven themselves through academia to be capable of researching facts and accurately informing themselves overwhelmingly voted to remain.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:18 pm

Sidney1st wrote:...the degree educated snobs ...

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BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:23 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:

Those 65+ voted to Leave by 64/36.
Those educated to School level only voted to leave by 70/30.

I'll reiterate my statement. The brexit vote was spearheaded by uneducated OAPS.

And I'll reiterate mine; you really are a f*cking idiot. The only educational standard where more voted to remain was degree so despite being older they certainly weren't uneducated. Also they've been around longer to see the excesses of the European trough. Nice touch; introducing stats to disprove yourself. Quality.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You can try an explain around the facts all you like but the fact is that people with a lower education overwhelmingly voted leave, while those who have proven themselves through academia to be capable of researching facts and accurately informing themselves overwhelmingly voted to remain.

Yeah we've covered this before.

You're adamant that having a degree makes someone vote to remain more valid than someone with a degree who voted leave.
Degree holders did vote leave too.

You're also adamant that anyone without a degree who voted leave is pretty much an ignorant sod who voted wrong etc etc etc.

Meanwhile you just sound like a snob with a degree, assuming you've got one.
If you haven't, you just sound like a snob who's desperately trying to look down their nose at people who didn't vote the same way as you.

Personally I don't see the need for a lot of degrees and there have been plenty of people who've felt pressured to attend uni, when maybe it isn't for them and some will get a pointless degree that they aren't really going to use for a career.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:24 pm

Over 90 percent of the workers employed as pickers and packers of British soft fruit currently come from EU countries. When we leave the EU there will be plenty of seasonal work for young British people - no need to send them to university just send them packing.

For young people life will just be a bowl of cherries (or maybe strawberries).

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:25 pm

I've also made that point my kids.
If they wish to attend uni, its going to be for a degree they intend to use for their career of choice, not for x amount of years of dossing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:25 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yeah we've covered this before.

You're adamant that having a degree makes someone vote to remain more valid than someone with a degree who voted leave.
Degree holders did vote leave too.

You're also adamant that anyone without a degree who voted leave is pretty much an ignorant sod who voted wrong etc etc etc.

And you're adamant that it's ok to misinterpret what someone is saying regardless of how many times they make it crystal ******* clear to you that your misinterpretation is a misinterpretation. So much so that i just think you're deliberately lying about me.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You can try an explain around the facts all you like but the fact is that people with a lower education overwhelmingly voted leave, while those who have proven themselves through academia to be capable of researching facts and accurately informing themselves overwhelmingly voted to remain.

Not everybody who gets a degree is intelligent. All they have proven is that they can regurgitate facts by rote to the required standard. A 3rd class degree is worth just about sod all.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:27 pm

BennyD wrote:Not everybody who gets a degree is intelligent. All they have proven is that they can regurgitate facts by rote to the required standard. A 3rd class degree is worth just about sod all.

How would you know? You never went to uni.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:30 pm

Well remembered! I've been through several flying courses where intelligence is a prerequisite and I've passed where a lot of degree holders didn't. A lot of academically qualified people don't have common sense and, despite being able to quote Latin philosophers ad nauseum, as a result appear thick.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And you're adamant that it's ok to misinterpret what someone is saying regardless of how many times they make it crystal ******* clear to you that your misinterpretation is a misinterpretation. So much so that i just think you're deliberately lying about me.

You've spouted your ******** about remain voters doing more research because they've got a degree making their vote more valid enough times I don't need to lie.

You're absolutely adamant that a person with a degree who voted remain did so due to their superior research skills

Did a person who vote leave with a degree do the research too?
Probably yes but they still voted leave.

I don't need to lie about you, you make yourself look a dick without my help.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:38 pm

Sidney, it's all they've got to try and explain why we voted to leave; everyone who voted to remain was a young, studious, intelligent researcher who could make a reasoned choice based on said research and everyone who voted to leave was an old, ignorant bigot. However, despite all that intelligence, they can't see the whole rotten edifice is likely to implode.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You've spouted your ******** about remain voters doing more research because they've got a degree making their vote more valid enough times I don't need to lie.

You're absolutely adamant that a person with a degree who voted remain did so due to their superior research skills

Did a person who vote leave with a degree do the research too?
Probably yes but they still voted leave.

I don't need to lie about you, you make yourself look a dick without my help.

No i didn't. If you understood the meaning of "more likely" and "less likely" then perhaps you wouldn't be making the mistake you're making now. Or if you do understand their meaning then you're a shitty person for lying.

What i previously said was that someone who has proven to hold degree-level researching skills is more likely to use those skills to inform themselves of the facts of a matter than someone who hasn't proven that they hold those skills.

Explain to me how that is an inaccurate assessment? Try to do with without lying about me, if you don't mind.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:41 pm

We are all uneducated thickos

This includes degree holders who also voted leave.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No i didn't. If you understood the meaning of "more likely" and "less likely" then perhaps you wouldn't be making the mistake you're making now. Or if you do understand their meaning then you're a shitty person for lying.

What i previously said was that someone who has proven to hold degree-level researching skills is more likely to use those skills to inform themselves of the facts of a matter than someone who hasn't proven that they hold those skills.

Explain to me how that is an inaccurate assessment? Try to do with without lying about me, if you don't mind.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:43 pm

Sid, NO ONE with a degree voted to leave, didn't you know that?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No i didn't. If you understood the meaning of "more likely" and "less likely" then perhaps you wouldn't be making the mistake you're making now. Or if you do understand their meaning then you're a shitty person for lying.

What i previously said was that someone who has proven to hold degree-level researching skills is more likely to use those skills to inform themselves of the facts of a matter than someone who hasn't proven that they hold those skills.

Explain to me how that is an inaccurate assessment? Try to do with without lying about me, if you don't mind.

It's your continued insistence that degree holders who voted remain made a more informed decision.
You never mention degree holders who voted leave though for some reason.

People made a vote, using a variety of reasons from life experiences to researched opinions.

Neither is a more valid vote than the other, but you seem to think otherwise.

I don't need to lie about it, you've made it clear enough times.
So have your running mates on here.

One of my cousins has a degree and I'm more than happy to bet he's far far cleverer than you are or will ever be.
He still voted out though, odd that isn't it?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:48 pm

BennyD wrote:Sid, NO ONE with a degree voted to leave, didn't you know that?

Funnily enough i just deleted a post i was going to make that pointed out that 32% of voters with a degree voted to leave which would refute your stupid accusation that we're calling all leave voters stupid, or uneducated.

If you were less inclined to hatred of Remainers or people with an ability to think about things then you'd have understood by now that i'm not calling the less educated voters stupid, just less informed. But you're determined to screech like a ******* child instead of having a rational conversation or at least attempt to see the other point of view.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:50 pm

Imploding Turtle is just like a thick wall of fog. Throw something in there and it just gets lost.

The going to uni and having a degree means absolutely naff all in this day and age and certainly isn't a sign of intelligence.

You do know that under Bliar getting everyone to uni was a very convenient way to manipulate the unemployment figures, furthering his personal crusade to open the floodgates to allow mass immigration in to suppress the minimum wage don't you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:51 pm

Sidney1st wrote:It's your continued insistence that degree holders who voted remain made a more informed decision.
You never mention degree holders who voted leave though for some reason.

Of course they ******* did. We know they have the skills to inform themselves, they've proven it. So as a demographic of course they made a more informed decision. What the ****? You cannot be so stupid as to know see that. Surely.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Funnily enough i just deleted a post i was going to make that pointed out that 32% of voters with a degree voted to leave which would refute your stupid accusation that we're calling all leave voters stupid, or uneducated.

If you were less inclined to hatred of Remainers or people with an ability to think about things then you'd have understood by now that i'm not calling the less educated voters stupid, just less informed. But you're determined to screech like a ******* child instead of having a rational conversation or at least attempt to see the other point of view.

Why are they less informed though?

They can still perform research into something prior to a vote.
If old enough they can draw on their life experiences to make a decision.

It's your opinion they're less informed that's all, its almost like that's the only way you can deal with the outcome.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:54 pm

Right_winger wrote:Imploding Turtle is just like a thick wall of fog. Throw something in there and it just gets lost.

The going to uni and having a degree means absolutely naff all in this day and age and certainly isn't a sign of intelligence.

You do know that under Bliar getting everyone to uni was a very convenient way to manipulate the unemployment figures, furthering his personal crusade to open the floodgates to allow mass immigration in to suppress the minimum wage don't you?

You do know that those who were in full-time education weren't claiming unemployment benefits, you know "scroungers" as sc*m like to call them, and so the effect it had on unemployment figures was perfectly legitimate since they weren't a burden on society.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Of course they ******* did. We know they have the skills to inform themselves, they've proven it. So as a demographic of course they made a more informed decision. What the ****? You cannot be so stupid as to know see that. Surely.

I'm not the one disregarding the intelligence and ability of people without degrees.

Who's the stupid one again?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Of course they ******* did. We know they have the skills to inform themselves, they've proven it. So as a demographic of course they made a more informed decision. What the ****? You cannot be so stupid as to know see that. Surely.

You were saying something about screetching like a child and not having a rational conversation in post 190?

And you have the audacity to call me a hypocrite.

What is it you actually do IT? Are you even actually employed? You appear to have a hell of a lot of free time on here.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:55 pm

Were they a burden when they didn't repay their student loans when they ended up working below the repayment threshold?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Why are they less informed though?

They can still perform research into something prior to a vote.
If old enough they can draw on their life experiences to make a decision.

It's your opinion they're less informed that's all, its almost like that's the only way you can deal with the outcome.

Oh for **** sake.

A demographic that has proven to have a skill is more likely to use that skill than a demographic that hasn't proven to have that skill.
What is it about this simple statement that has you confused?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh for **** sake.

A demographic that has proven to have a skill is more likely to use that skill than a demographic that hasn't proven to have that skill.
What is it about this simple statement that has you confused?

Nothing is confusing me.

It's your assumption that they all spent countless hours researching whilst non degree holders didn't that's making me laugh.

Were they more likely?
Yes.
Has it been proven they did more research than non degree holders?
No.
Was anyone's vote more valid than the others?
Nope.

All cleared up now?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:01 pm

What's your degree in Turtle?

If you've got one, is it relevant to your resulting career path?

Do you earn enough money that you don't merely get by?

Just for research purposes you understand Charlie boy.