Britt Assombalonga

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:20 pm

There looking for at least double what we offered

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:25 pm

He signed a 5 year contract with Forest last September.

Seems like he was pretty injury fee up to his serious knee injury where he was out of action for a good year....and since then has suffered a number of minor injuries - including a hamstring in training last December.

In this market I ain't got a clue anyone's what a player like him is now worth......but £8m seems low given what Forest paid for him a few years ago and the years he has left on his current contract.

Again how do you compare this to the value of Andre Gray with a year left on his contract ? Their records in the championship are probably quite similar and then Gray has scored a few in the Premier League though but not yet proven or near prolific at this level.

If people are saying £15m for Gray with a year left then maybe £12m to £15m for Assombalonga is not a million miles off.

I'd defo have a concern as to whether he is fully recovered from that injury though

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:29 pm

'...I'd defo have a concern as to whether he is fully recovered from that injury though...'

hopefully a medical would sort that TVC

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:He's not Irish, next.

He is a Britt and maybe his Assombalonga to Ireland

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:30 pm

When you look at the quality of Sandro Ramirez, who Everton got for 5mill, we've still got a lot to learn at this level.
I would presume that Everton will be paying him a lot more than we could afford, but the talent is there if our European recruitment guy knows his stuff.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:30 pm

claretblue wrote:'...I'd defo have a concern as to whether he is fully recovered from that injury though...'

hopefully a medical would sort that TVC

Not if by Dr Iven

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:39 pm

Young_Claret_91 wrote:Comparison of Gray last season vs Assombalonga this season on an average per game basis:

Comparison.JPG

The worrying thing for me is the number of minutes played. When you divide the minutes by the games it shows that Assombalonga only completes 57 minutes a game on average.

He'd need a strict medical before touching this lad. He's clearly talented but we already have Defour who doesn't look like he can play much more than an hour, we don't need another one!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:43 pm

How about his goals ratio though?

Its generally a given that players who are out for a long period will suffer niggly injuries when they start playing again.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:There looking for at least double what we offered

Are you sure it's not at least double what they paid, i.e. £11m? That's what it says in the Nottingham Post.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:56 pm

jlup1980 wrote:The worrying thing for me is the number of minutes played. When you divide the minutes by the games it shows that Assombalonga only completes 57 minutes a game on average.

He'd need a strict medical before touching this lad. He's clearly talented but we already have Defour who doesn't look like he can play much more than an hour, we don't need another one!

You can't base his minutes per game like that tho.
Some of those would have been coming on as a sub when coming back from being injured

Edit. Just checked the 25 league games he played in
He completed 90mins 15 times
Subbed off after 70mins+ 5 times
Subbed off before 70mins 1 time
Subbed on between 45-70mins 4 times

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:01 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Are you sure it's not at least double what they paid, i.e. £11m? That's what it says in the Nottingham Post.

So starting at £22M ? If so for a player who is just back from serious injury with no Premiership pedigree they're as bonkers as the last Chairman.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:03 pm

They paid £5.5m hence reference to £11m

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:03 pm

They paid £5.5m so would be looking for £11m.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:04 pm

Chuckypad wrote:So is he 24 or 25? Could be a dealbreaker

Haha, whoops! That makes me think of a basketball player I read about recently. Claims to be 27 but many believe he's well into his 30's! At least there's not much difference at 24 or 25

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:05 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:When you look at the quality of Sandro Ramirez, who Everton got for 5mill, we've still got a lot to learn at this level.
I would presume that Everton will be paying him a lot more than we could afford, but the talent is there if our European recruitment guy knows his stuff.

nail firmly whacked on the head !

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:06 pm

taio wrote:They paid £5.5m hence reference to £11m

Oh ok hadn't seen that

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:08 pm

If Gray does go, then we shouldn't be paying more than we get for him for Assambolonga.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If Gray does go, then we shouldn't be paying more than we get for him for Assambolonga.

Chances are we will end up doing . Thats what happens when you go for players that have long term contracts

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:38 pm

http://www.nottinghampost.com/nottingha ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:41 pm

claretblue wrote:http://www.nottinghampost.com/nottingha ... story.html

From that link...

Gray has one year left on his contract and has so far rejected an offer understood to be worth up to £70,000 a week from the Lancashire club.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:54 pm

here's another article with Forest fans commenting:

http://the72.co.uk/86328/burnley-8m-bid ... er-reacts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:56 pm

Anyone having had a serious knee injury should cost a good deal less. Think Ings.p

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:01 pm

joey13 wrote:Everton offered 15 million originally, where that come from ?

After what happened last time with Lansbury and Stephens, I thought it would be better to go in with a tempting bid of say 12 million take it or leave it , if they say no move on to someone else and not waste time and ending up with players not worth what we pay.

Happen as well you're not involved with our recruitment then

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Happen as well you're not involved with our recruitment then

agree

....softly softly - catch ye Assombalonga!

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:14 pm

'...Burnley boss Sean Dyche is undeterred by Forest’s stance over Assombalonga and is determined to land the DR Congo striker after handing him his pro debut at Watford in 2012...'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... y-10737862" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:17 pm

£8 million for him sounds about right. Low risk. Can't believe I am saying that from watching us in Division 4. Not worth much more though. Not convinced he's the forward we need even keeping Gray.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:18 pm

At least we've got the link

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:20 pm

Try them at 10m + Agyei on loan for a season with wages covered

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:21 pm

I think he'll sign eventually. Might take a month or so as usual but I think he'll be a claret at the start of the season.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:If the bid is correct, what do you want us to do? Bid £18 million?

I would assume if it is correct then it is an opening bid, maybe like the £15 million (including add ons) that Everton first offered for Keane.

The Everton comparison is interesting. They made their opening bids some time ago, cracked on through the negotiations and reached a deal everyone was happy with in the last week of June. I suppose i'd prefer us to do similarly, not be about 6 weeks behind.

As for Assombalonga, personally im not altogether convinced, but if Dyche wants him then hopefully we'll get him.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:01 pm

£12m take it or leave it

Superb negotiating. In many ways buying a footballer is similar to buying a fake Rolex from a dodgy Senegalese guy on your holiday.

£12m take it or leave it

Bobzuruncle · Post by **Bobzuruncle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:04 pm

At the start of the season we've got 3 very tough away games but 3 homes that we should be targeting as teams who may be around us at the end - we need to have the team in place well before start of the season this time imo and if it takes a few few pounds more than it would at the end of the window then I for one will not be complaining.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:07 pm

claretspice wrote:The Everton comparison is interesting. They made their opening bids some time ago, cracked on through the negotiations and reached a deal everyone was happy with in the last week of June. I suppose i'd prefer us to do similarly, not be about 6 weeks behind.

As for Assombalonga, personally im not altogether convinced, but if Dyche wants him then hopefully we'll get him.

That's right, expect us to run like cash rich Everton who are able to offer huge wages.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:10 pm

It doesn't matter if we value him less because of injury and what not, he's clearly worth a lot to Forrest.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:11 pm

We tend to pay over the odds in the end anyway and don't get our player till September.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That's right, expect us to run like cash rich Everton who are able to offer huge wages.

Depends on the scenario CT.

Everton with a budget 3 or 4 times that of ours. Bigger club being able to offer a chance of trophies and European football, turns a players head and nick our star.

Burnley with a 4 or 5 times bigger budget than Forest. Club can offer premier league football, better wages etc, turns a players head and nicks their star player.

It's a chain, no reason we can't do what Everton have to us, to Forest.

It'll all come together, but obviously the sooner the better.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That's right, expect us to run like cash rich Everton who are able to offer huge wages.

We arent talking about wages, we're talking about negotiating transfer fees. And Everton havent overpaid for Keane - theyve paid the asking price, and for what it is worth, his wages are reportedly 60k, which seems about par to me.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:19 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We tend to pay over the odds in the end anyway and don't get our player till September.

When did we last sign a player permanently in September?

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:21 pm

Particularly love the comment of one forest fan that because we got 25-30M for Keane that Everton should just hand that over to them if we want Assombalonga. Assombalonga worth the same as a premier league experienced England centre-half?

Some fans are on another planet. 8M is a low start. Reckon 12 up to 15 would get him.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:23 pm

We sign them on the last day of August so they don't arrive until September.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:27 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We sign them on the last day of August so they don't arrive until September.

I'd be genuinely interested to see how many players over the last few transfer windows that we've actually signed on 31st August or 31st January in comparison to the other available days during the respective transfer windows. I don't know the answer, can you assist?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:28 pm

has he signed yet ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:29 pm

claretspice wrote:We arent talking about wages, we're talking about negotiating transfer fees. And Everton havent overpaid for Keane - theyve paid the asking price, and for what it is worth, his wages are reportedly 60k, which seems about par to me.

You are trying to compare us with Everton. At times I think you live in a fantasy world given how you think we should conduct our business.

Bobzuruncle · Post by **Bobzuruncle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:32 pm

Last year we lost at home to Swansea and we didn't have the first team bedded in. This year I would really like to see an improvement , wouldn't you ?

Bobzuruncle · Post by **Bobzuruncle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:32 pm

didn't

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:35 pm

Why does CT despise Spice so much. Me I can understand but Spice?

Bobzuruncle · Post by **Bobzuruncle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:40 pm

that's a conversation stopper , i'll try again ... blah blah blah ... wouldn't you ?

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:41 pm

15m for Gray seems to be a common theme in the press. Yes he has significantly less on his deal but he's already proven himself to an extent in the Premier League.

Assombalonga is a risk as he may not be able to make that leap in quality. He does seem to have recovered but you never know how his injury could effect him longer term. Seems to me Forest are dreaming if they want anywhere near the 15m suggested on their forums, good luck to them if they get it.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:42 pm

I do like the look of him though so if we do sign him at a fair price I'd be pretty happy with it.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:44 pm

If they get £15m I hope it's not from us!