Britt Assombalonga

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:47 pm

Gray is a player we really need to keep.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:49 pm

If we do decide to let Gray go then I would like us to make sure we have his replacement signed first. Don't want a situation where we are cash rich but desperate for a player as we will just be held to ransom. If we can't do that then we may be better off keeping Gray and lettIng him run his contract down.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:39 pm

Boro are monitoring the situation

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:44 pm

Forest are bound to a 50% selling on clause on any profit

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You are trying to compare us with Everton. At times I think you live in a fantasy world given how you think we should conduct our business.

Have i ever suggested we should spend 30 million and 60 grand a week on a player? Nope, thought not.

The only comparison i've made with Everton is that they managed to get their key target in on time and at a sensible price in a negotiation with a club which insists on getting what it considers to be fair value when it is selling. We're operating at a different level in the food chain but there's no reason not why, at that level, we cant do the same.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:29 pm

claretblue wrote:http://www.nottinghampost.com/nottingha ... story.html

Some of the comments on that page are hilarious. Forest fans really are the Leeds lot of the midlands.

"It's known to everyone they've just sold Michael Keane to Everton for 25-30m, I think they need to just tell Everton to transfer that money straight over to us if they are serious about signing Britt".... yes because clearly he's a £30million striker, and any club that spends X on a player, must then spend that equal amount on a player from a lower league

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:48 pm

This transfer will happen, with Darikwa plus cash as part of the deal

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:50 pm

^^^Derrick

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:51 pm

Why him? Do they want him?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:54 pm

Quicknick wrote:Why him? Do they want him?

Yes

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:08 pm

15 million apparently............

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... n-10737939

LawsCanalJump · Post by **LawsCanalJump** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:10 pm

A #dychefit assombalonga would send shivers down any defenders spine

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:13 pm

Wouldn't want to offer much above 10m for this guy, yes we have the Keane money, but there are serious question marks about his fitness,in addition we will probably sign Dawson/Lees or both,Taylor,and also Walters. We ideally would sign 2 midfielders to replace Barton,Marney and Defour, you would hope O'Neill might have a part to play this season even a cameo from the bench, but he isn't ready for a regular first team place yet. If we can retain Andre even for 1 season that would be my preferred option but this may be out of BFC'S hands sadly.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:14 pm

If he's fit and stays injury free, he could turn out better than Gray.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:15 pm

Sorry but don't have the time to be giving players a year to learn an adapt to the PL. Rather stick with gray with the money these want for him and get a s.long.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:20 pm

CFS wrote:Sorry but don't have the time to be giving players a year to learn an adapt to the PL. Rather stick with gray with the money these want for him and get a s.long.

Exactly we need to hit the ground running, maybe Assombalonga could make the step up, i wouldn't like to gamble 15 million plus on this chance.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:23 pm

If it is out in the open I think it will happen but neither club is under immediate pressure to agree a price yet.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:24 pm

I'd like to see him come in and us to keep Gray to be honest.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:03 am

Watford would receive 50% of any profit above 5.5 million due to sell-on clauses.......WOW

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:08 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:Watford would receive 50% of any profit above 5.5 million due to sell-on clauses.......WOW

Not Peterborough?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:14 am

I might of read that wrong.............it's late lol lol

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:27 am

OK. So we paid approximately £10 million for Gray, who'd had a good season with Brentford.
This was a Championship to Championship transfer.
Why do we seriously expect to pay less for a Championship striker moving (we hope) to a PL club?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:24 am

"OK. So we paid approximately £10 million for Gray"

Did we? Did we really?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:32 am

fidelcastro wrote:"OK. So we paid approximately £10 million for Gray"

Did we? Did we really?

Close enough to that figure for the sake of comparison in the context of what I'm saying.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:35 am

boatshed bill wrote:Close enough to that figure for the sake of comparison in the context of what I'm saying.

Are you sure you've not just pulled that figure out of your arse, because you don't know how much we paid for him?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:39 am

fidelcastro wrote:Are you sure you've not just pulled that figure out of your arse, because you don't know how much we paid for him?

I believe the total figure is something in the region of £9.5 million. Close enough for the point I'm trying to make, which is that we are hardly likely to pick up a championship club's top goalscorer for less.
But you know what I'm saying anyhow.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:41 am

boatshed bill wrote:I believe the total figure is something in the region of £9.5 million. Close enough for the point I'm trying to make, which is that we are hardly likely to pick up a championship club's top goalscorer for less.
But you know what I'm saying anyhow.

9.5 Million was it now? There must've still been a lot of add ons!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:48 am

fidelcastro wrote:9.5 Million was it now? There must've still been a lot of add ons!

That information has been put out in public, you need to check Luton Town, they confirmed their share through the add ons.

But don't try to tell me you don't know this.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:31 am

nonsense, Dyche said t was 72 million

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:32 am

Archer wrote:Not Peterborough?

Why would watford get it when he come from peterborough ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:12 am

fidelcastro wrote:"OK. So we paid approximately £10 million for Gray"

Did we? Did we really?

Initial payment was £6.5 million approx.

The total fee including add-ons was closer to £10million.
One of the clauses was us staying up this last season.

I thought it was fairly common knowledge...

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:18 am

I'm not sure what's more frustrating. The fact that people don't grasp the concept of how transfers and add-ons work or can't look at the bigger picture. Namely. What is £10 million for a striker who ultimately helped us gain promotion and increased our income far beyond our wildest dreams, short of being bought by a Sugar Daddy who is a massive Clarets fan. £10 million is a snip considering the wealth promotion has created with HIS CONSIDERABLE HELP!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:22 am

Sidney1st wrote:Initial payment was £6.5 million approx.

The total fee including add-ons was closer to £10million.
One of the clauses was us staying up this last season.

I thought it was fairly common knowledge...

Sadly Sid, far too many people on this forum lack common knowledge.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:38 am

First bids are rarely accepted ever. I'm just delighted we've decided to make a move for him because I think he could be superb for us. We must be favorites as we appear to be the only PL team in for him.

Yesterday it was just rumors. We'll get him.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:42 am

Whatever the fees/valuations are, it just shows how over inflated the english transfer market is

Assombalonga £15m, Mawson/Gibson £20m

If Everton can buy a current U21 striker from Spain for around £5.25m then our recruitment team need to show some real foresight and look in these markets in greater depth

Defour has been given little opportunity despite being personally watched by our manager prior to signing, which shows a real lack of due diligence on our part

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:50 am

I'm not convinced we'll sign him, remember it's Forest we're dealing with here.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:55 am

Haven't Forest been taken over? I am not au fait with their financial situation but as I read it, they're reasonably well off. It's not a case of what a player is worth, it's what a club are prepared to pay or sell for. We don't have a bottomless pit of money but clubs are aware we are comfortable and have just deposited £25 million from Keane. I had a giggle at the Forest fan suggesting he is worth £25 million, but then logically speaking, if they're under no pressure to sell; it's a case of who blinks first. We need a replacement centre half as a matter of urgency. I'd argue a striker who offers something different than we already have is a joint second priority with a midfield commander and a player with a bit of pace and creativity. I don't see our board as a club who are prepared to go buying players willy nilly in the hope they fit. We also can't be held to ransom by clubs because we have cash on the hip. I'd be surprised if we are prepared to break our transfer record on a player who is untested at this level. You've also got to bear in mind, strikers by their very nature hold a higher value as goals win games. Personally I'd rather we brought in Walters and increased our bid. Revisit Assombalonga in January. Walters is a perfect fit and proven at this level.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:56 am

jojomk1 wrote:Whatever the fees/valuations are, it just shows how over inflated the english transfer market is

Assombalonga £15m, Mawson/Gibson £20m

You forgot Pickford and Keane for potentially £30m. We can't have it one way and then complain when we need to pay it out.

Assombalonga is the key player for Forest and he's contracted with them until 2021. They're in the driving seat up until the point Britt says he wants to leave. That's all our £8m bid was about; an underhanded way of unsettling the player. If his agent pushes for a move and makes noises about him being unhappy we'll get him cheaper. We did it with Tarky remember.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:59 am

I guess the (delayed) move for assombalonga has been influenced by Gray's refusal to sign a new contract. Ideally we need to get away from this 'let's sit down at the end of the season' and discuss new terms. I appreciate that needs a will of player, agent and club to talk during the season but that's what our negotiating team should be doing (as we did with Lowton) we're playing for much higher stakes now as a premier league team and need a more deliberate strategy if certain players are not going to call the shots.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:03 am

Cubanclaret wrote:I guess the (delayed) move for assombalonga has been influenced by Gray's refusal to sign a new contract. Ideally we need to get away from this 'let's sit down at the end of the season' and discuss new terms. I appreciate that needs a will of player, agent and club to talk during the season but that's what our negotiating team should be doing (as we did with Lowton) we're playing for much higher stakes now as a premier league team and need a more deliberate strategy if certain players are not going to call the shots.

This is not an issue just related to Burnley though. Player power ultimately rules these days. Far more cash rich clubs have been unable to keep their best players. I guess it's more about doing due dilligence on a players personality as much as contractual negotiations. You don't need to look past Dimitri Payet to see that if a player decides to have a tantrum they hold all the cards, regardless of how much money is flying around!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:Happen as well you're not involved with our recruitment then

Yes because happen I have a better idea than you or our useless recruitment team.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:06 am

Hahahaha, that's the best one yet

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:07 am

Useless recruitment team?

Oh ffs

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 am

joey13 wrote:Yes because happen I have a better idea than you or our useless recruitment team.

You really believe that as well don't you. Jesus wept.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 am

ExistentialWanderer wrote:This is not an issue just related to Burnley though. Player power ultimately rules these days. Far more cash rich clubs have been unable to keep their best players. I guess it's more about doing due dilligence on a players personality as much as contractual negotiations. You don't need to look past Dimitri Payet to see that if a player decides to have a tantrum they hold all the cards, regardless of how much money is flying around!

The Payet move was more because his wife found out he had an affair and got her pregnant, so issued him with an ultimatum

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:10 am

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ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:15 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:The Payet move was more because his wife found out he had an affair and got her pregnant, so issued him with an ultimatum

If that's true then that's hilarious. He was just an example of many players who down tools regardless of their contractual obligations though. It doesn't matter when money talks. We had a similar situation with Tarkowski who downed tools at Brentford. There has to be some sort of moral obligation to the club they signed for but with the money sloshing around in the game, that just isn't going to happen.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:16 am

claretdom wrote:Good morning dragons, my name is Joey and I am seeking 200k investment for a 10% share of company Huddersfield condoms

I never considered myself stupid but I'm still trying to work out the connection with this thread

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:37 am

Firthy wrote:I never considered myself stupid but I'm still trying to work out the connection with this thread

Fishes for likes.
Repeats what the itk people suggest.
Trying to kiss as much ass possible from the boards top people.
Has no opinion of its own.
Very robotic and predictable with posts and replies.
Either has inch thick claret specticles, or is just one of them people.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:51 am

Give Forest a 10 day deadline then forget him, no time for messing about on this one good player though he is.