Jack Cork

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:29 pm

DCWat wrote:There are no experts on here, just fans of the club with opinions, that you're entitled to agree or disagree with. A night with the lads in a pub would be pretty quiet if we couldn't have our say on targets, transfers, fees and the like.

Yes but if one of your mates moaned at everything you said you would soon drop him from your circle

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:31 pm

If we signed Cork he would be an ideal partner to get Defour back in the side.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:32 pm

Just edited the last bit.

claretdom wrote:Yes but if one of your mates moaned at everything you said you would soon drop him

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:32 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:He's In Burnley this morning, he was driving a black range rover, I hope this deal will happen late today or tuesday we are starting to build a better team for next season.

Did you wave to him ?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:41 pm

claretdom wrote:Yes but if one of your mates moaned at everything you said you would soon drop him from your circle

No, I'd put a point across. Quite happy for them not to agree.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:48 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Did you wave to him ?

No but he passed me on my way into Crawshawbooth going to manchester

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:51 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:No but he passed me on my way into Crawshawbooth going to manchester

Tyrone marshall says there nothing solid on cork from this end but one to keep an eye on

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:57 pm

Were not in for him at the price quoted. One other team also interested

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:08 pm

Goalposts wrote:Were not in for him at the price quoted. One other team also interested

According to Nixon?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:11 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Tyrone marshall says there nothing solid on cork from this end but one to keep an eye on

The BBC are reporting its close- being on there normally adds credibility.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:21 pm

Come on home Jack !

Think NIKE

Just Do It !

Formerbfcmanager · Post by **Formerbfcmanager** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:51 pm

jedi_master wrote:Cork was great for us and is highly experienced at this level. The signings we are making and being linked with say to me that Dyche is very keen to recruit the personnel nedded to allow a change from 4-4-2 if the situation might be needed.

Walters allows us the option of playing him as a wide forward on the right, Brady on the left and one of Vokes/Gray/Barnes (Assombalonga?) up top with, I would guess, Hendrick playing the more advanced of a midfield three with two of Westwood/McArthur/Cork (if rumours are to be believed) sat deeper.

Of course, I see that as a contingency as obviously Dyche is a firmly 4-4-2 man, but it gives us options for sure.

Spot on. If we go with 4-2-3-1 (which let's face it most teams in the Prem do, excepting the current trend for 3 at the back) then we need at least 2 players in each position.

Heaton / Pope
Lowton / Darikwa
Tarka / ?
Mee / Long
Ward / Taylor

Westwood / Marney
Cork? / McArthur?

Brady / Arfield
Hendrick / Defour
Walters / JBG

Vokes / Barnes / Assombalonga? / Gray

Young Understudies
O'Neill / Agyei / C.Long

That leaves our minimum shopping list as 1CB, 2DCM, 1GoalMachine

If Arfield, Defour and/or Gray leave we'll need replacements for them in addition.

I'd also like to see us sign some more young understudies (and not the standard development squad signings). 1GK, 1 CB, 1FB, 1Mid/Winger - players that have Championship/foreign experience and real potential (similar to when we signed Pope, Chris Long etc). That would leave us with a first team squad of 30/31 which I think is about right

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:04 pm

Formerbfcmanager wrote:Spot on. If we go with 4-2-3-1 (which let's face it most teams in the Prem do, excepting the current trend for 3 at the back) then we need at least 2 players in each position.

Heaton / Pope
Lowton / Darikwa
Tarka / ?
Mee / Long
Ward / Taylor

Westwood / Marney
Cork? / McArthur?

Brady / Arfield
Hendrick / Defour
Walters / JBG

Vokes / Barnes / Assombalonga? / Gray

Young Understudies
O'Neill / Agyei / C.Long

That leaves our minimum shopping list as 1CB, 2DCM, 1GoalMachine

If Arfield, Defour and/or Gray leave we'll need replacements for them in addition.

I'd also like to see us sign some more young understudies (and not the standard development squad signings). 1GK, 1 CB, 1FB, 1Mid/Winger - players that have Championship/foreign experience and real potential (similar to when we signed Pope, Chris Long etc). That would leave us with a first team squad of 30/31 which I think is about right

By first team squad I presume you mean players who train together, seeing as we can only name 25 players in our Premier League squad? Those additional players could of course be used in cup games but 30/31 seems a bit heavy to me.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:08 pm

25 man squad in the PL, but you can add under 21s (I think that's the age limit), as long as they are "home grown" whatever that means.
I think any sensible manager is going to name 3 goalkeepers in the 25.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:12 pm

boatshed bill wrote:25 man squad in the PL, but you can add under 21s (I think that's the age limit), as long as they are "home grown" whatever that means.
I think any sensible manager is going to name 3 goalkeepers in the 25.

25 in total though.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:25 pm

For around the same money (or even less) would rather see a younger player such as Clucas

There's going to be little resale value with a signing like Cork although appreciate another year without relegation pays the fee anyway

If we could also get Clucas/McArthur, and at the same time, cut our losses on Defour (not his fault) central midfield would be looking pretty good

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote:25 in total though.

As I understand it under 21 are outside the 25.The 25 has can only have 17 foreigners,8 have to be "homegrown".Homegrown can be any nationality but have to have played for English teams between certain age limits(can't remember the ages).

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:31 pm

Sam Clucas is 27 in two months, I wouldn't have said that was substantially younger.

Very different players though - I'd take both.

Knutsfordclaret · Post by **Knutsfordclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:38 pm

Done deal apparently and having a medical.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote:25 in total though.

No.

Other posters have already answered. Not 25 in total.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:42 pm

Is he Irish?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:42 pm

Knutsfordclaret wrote:Done deal apparently and having a medical.

Says who ?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:45 pm

The squad fly over to Dublin today, and Cork is already in Ireland.

Knutsfordclaret · Post by **Knutsfordclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:46 pm

Can't say but happy to donate £100 to charity if wrong

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:47 pm

Lancashire Telegraph journo says this is goer and we want to get a deal tied up quickly.

Knutsfordclaret · Post by **Knutsfordclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:49 pm

Hoping to fly out to meet up tomorrow after medical

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Also says Whelan is a definite no go

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Ruben Loftus Cheek is available on a season long loan, now there is a player & would be a better option than Jack Cork..

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:51 pm

I'm doing his medical now. Shall I pass him or not?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:53 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm doing his medical now. Shall I pass him or not?

Whats his fitness levels like ? Can he run around like an headless chicken ? If the answer is yes then get it done

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:54 pm

DCWat wrote:There are no experts on here, just fans of the club with opinions, that you're entitled to agree or disagree with. A night with the lads in a pub would be pretty quiet if we couldn't have our say on targets, transfers, fees and the like.

Where did I say you couldn't talk ******** to you're mates. And the more ****** you get the more ******** you speak. I would never suggest anything that could scupper a night out with the boys. That said we still all know ******* diddly about running a footy club.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:55 pm

weird people aren't sure about Cork, he's played 3 out for the 4 games we've played against Swansea in the PL and we've lost them all !

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:56 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:weird people aren't sure about Cork, he's played 3 out for the 4 games we've played against Swansea in the PL and we've lost them all !

What about normal people?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:58 pm

claretdj wrote:Ruben Loftus Cheek is available on a season long loan, now there is a player & would be a better option than Jack Cork..

Based on what ?

Jack Cork 159 PL appearances
R L-C 39 appearances most as a sub

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:59 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Whats his fitness levels like ? Can he run around like an headless chicken ? If the answer is yes then get it done

He has just won the egg and spoon race but lost out in the sack race to Mary the tealady. It's all down to the wheelbarrow race now. He needs to win convincingly and he partners Dyche.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:02 pm

If our other loans are owt to go off, Ruben Loftus Cheek would just be sat on his arse all season.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:02 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Based on what ?

Jack Cork 159 PL appearances
R L-C 39 appearances most as a sub

Based on what I have seen, a young midfield powerhouse who will go on to be a far better player than Jack cork. Barring any serious injury of course.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:05 pm

Cork in the bottle.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:06 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Where did I say you couldn't talk ******** to you're mates. And the more ****** you get the more ******** you speak. I would never suggest anything that could scupper a night out with the boys. That said we still all know ******* diddly about running a footy club.

Ooh calm down soft lad, you'll do yourself a mischief.

The comparison was made because I see the chat o. Here, about football etc. as pretty similar to having debates down the pub.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:06 pm

The Chalobah and Bamford loans worked out so well I am sure Chelsea would jump at the opportunity to loan us Loftus-Cheek.
Cheeky bid perhaps?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:09 pm

claretdj wrote:Based on what I have seen, a young midfield powerhouse who will go on to be a far better player than Jack cork. Barring any serious injury of course.

Without wanting to be disrespectful that's kind of my point. Where have you seen enough of him to make that judgement ? (Not saying you are right or wrong btw). He has probably played a combined minutes total of 10 games in the PL

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:11 pm

DCWat wrote:Ooh calm down soft lad, you'll do yourself a mischief.

The comparison was made because I see the chat o. Here, about football etc. as pretty similar to having debates down the pub.

UTC is my pub ! It's exactly how I view it

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:39 pm

Loftus cheek has nothing on jack cork at this moment maybe in time to come but the lad has no experience of playing for points in a relegation battle what so ever.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:41 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The squad fly over to Dublin today, and Cork is already in Ireland.

Cork has always been in Ireland, it's never moved

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:46 pm

10 million pounds with add ons for Cork?

... tell me someone's joking.

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:51 pm

Just heard from that if the assombakinga deal falls though, we are going in for Dion Dublin.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:25 man squad in the PL, but you can add under 21s (I think that's the age limit), as long as they are "home grown" whatever that means.
I think any sensible manager is going to name 3 goalkeepers in the 25.

Squad of 25 players over 21 and as many as you like under 21. When the squads are announced you will see all the players down to youth team listed in the latter section.

There have to be at least 8 home grown players in the squad of 25. Those that didn't last season at Burnley were Scott Arfield, Steven Defour, Johann Berg Gudmundsson & Stephen Ward.

I've taken the following from the Premier League regarding the home grown rule.

A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:52 pm

People do understand our current financial situation and the cost of buying players in the premier league?

Some posters would still panic at spending 1 million on a player in 2017!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:53 pm

South West Claret. wrote:10 million pounds with add ons for Cork? ... tell me someone's joking.

I can tell you, whoever gave you that information is joking. I believe, any deal, could rise to £10 million but I would expect it to be considerably lower than that without any add ons.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:54 pm

South West Claret. wrote:10 million pounds with add ons for Cork? ... tell me someone's joking.

Wow, the club can't win can it. We bet to low and fans complain we are tight fisted. If Sean believes he will improve us then I am glad we have bid an amount that was good enough to be accepted. He has played years at the top level and isn't old, why do people expect him to be valued any less?