Marquee signing?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:54 pm

I like to educate people and it took me all of 3 seconds to find this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squad_number_(association_football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

10 (second/support striker), 9 (striker).

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:56 pm

I could hear them drooling

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:59 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I like to educate people and it took me all of 3 seconds to find this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squad_number_(association_football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

10 (second/support striker), 9 (striker).

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squad_num ... _football)

In the modern game however, older number associations still carry through. The European continent can generally be seen as adopting:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right full back
4 Centre half back
5 Centre half back
3 Left full back
6 Defensive Midfielder
8 Central Midfielder
10 Attacking Midfielder
7 Right Winger
9 Striker
11 Left Winger

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In a traditional 4–4–2 system in the UK, the squad numbers 1–11 would usually have been occupied in this manner:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Central midfielder (more defensive)
5 Centre back
6 Centre back
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder (more attacking)
9 Centre forward (usually a target player)
10 Striker (usually a fast poacher)
11 Left winger
However, in a more modern 4–2–3–1 system, they will be arranged like this:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Centre back
5 Centre back
6 Central midfielder (more defensive)
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder
9 Striker
10 Central midfielder (more attacking)
11 Left winger

So maybe you are just old fashioned Mike Bassett?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:04 pm

ZizkovClaret, you must admit that 9 is the striker role (think Alan Shearer) and 10 isn't... therefore the second striker. You know it makes sense, don't you?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:13 pm

9 is the striker, 10 is the playmaker

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:15 pm

9 and 10 play upfront together. So if you'd put a playmaker upfront with Gray, then yes, you're right.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:21 pm

Hard to imagine where this "Marquee" signing is going to come in.

We probably could do with another winger and a centre half, but I don't see us breaking any club records buying either.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:29 pm

agreenwood wrote:Hard to imagine where this "Marquee" signing is going to come in.

We probably could do with another winger and a centre half, but I don't see us breaking any club records buying either.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't threaten the amount we spent on Brady on at least a winger/loose forward, and i expect us to spend at least another 20 million this summer on that player and a centre back, ignoring Bardsley for now. There's no reason why we shouldn't.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:33 pm

Just don't see it Spice. I think Dyche will be intending to start Tarkowski/Mee and JBG/Brady if fit. I can't imagine we'll be threatening £10-15m fees on likely back-up players.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:34 pm

Reasons why we might not: player end of contract, from overseas, from lower league or in January when nearer end of contract. Remember Barton was 'free' but he wasn't cheap.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:40 pm

Our Marquee signing should be a top striker. Vokes Gray, Barnes and Walters are all good #3 striking options and ok #2 striking options but none of them are good enough to lead the line and any two of the them as the first choice pairing is still lacking the top striking quality we should be looking for if we are looking to progress.

Id personally hope to get as much cash as we can for Gray and spend £20m+ on a start striker to be our #1 striking option with competition from the other 3 to play alongside him

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:52 pm

We need to be adding quality players that can push for a starting place not players to sit on our bench

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:56 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:We need to be adding quality players that can push for a starting place not players to sit on our bench

Sure. But I can see Cork getting 38 games, Walters around 25 and wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Charlie Taylor too.
It's going pretty well I'd say.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:00 pm

Guich wrote:Sure. But I can see Cork getting 38 games, Walters around 25 and wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Charlie Taylor too.
It's going pretty well I'd say.

I think we have made some good signings but i still think we need to loosen the purse strings and spend some decent money on some quality players that will make us a better unit and more competition for the players we currently have

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:47 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:9 is the striker, 10 is the playmaker

Was it Lochhead 9, Irvine 10?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:49 pm

This threads turned a bit intents. Iv yurt to see any credible links though. Still think we require that big centre half built like a brick shithouse.

Still confident we will finish above them lot at the annex though.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 pm

Guich wrote:Sure. But I can see Cork getting 38 games, Walters around 25 and wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Charlie Taylor too.
It's going pretty well I'd say.

I've only seen Taylor 3 times (I live in Leeds and have Leeds supporting friends, so the odd weekend is going to a Leeds game, followed by 17 pints), and he's better than Ward. But, I expect Dyche to stick with Ward and make Taylor work for his place. We're blessed at left back, that's for certain sure.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:29 pm

We won't be signing Crouch. His wife doesn't want to come up north, remember.

Oh, wait a minute ______

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:32 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:We won't be signing Crouch. His wife doesn't want to come up north, remember.

Oh, wait a minute ______

She prefers blokes to go south.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:33 pm

Yer mucky pup !

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:35 pm

I think we will spend big on a pacy right winger. Brady is a shoe in for the left and I think, as decent a player JBG looks, we need more pace in our wide players to enable us to get in behind when we are under pressure.
We can all see this so surely Dyche will as well.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:36 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Yup! Walters i feel has been signed to replace Boyd. I see no issue with then having 4 strikers in Vokes, Barnes Gray, and Crouch

I really bloody hope we're not planning to play Walters out wide

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:38 pm

Braindead wrote:I think we will spend big on a pacy right winger. Brady is a shoe in for the left and I think, as decent a player JBG looks, we need more pace in our wide players to enable us to get in behind when we are under pressure.
We can all see this so surely Dyche will as well.

Who we going to sign that fits the role ?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:43 pm

agreenwood wrote:Just don't see it Spice. I think Dyche will be intending to start Tarkowski/Mee and JBG/Brady if fit. I can't imagine we'll be threatening £10-15m fees on likely back-up players.

I guess we'll see what happens, but I'd be really surprised and disappointed if that was Dyche's mindset. That'd imply that Dyche isn't interested in improving the first eleven, and I just can't see that being the case - and nor would I expect Dyche to impose an arbitrary ceiling on what he can spend on a player just because he might have to fight for his place. We signed Brady in January and Dyche had no scruples about leaving him on the bench for a large part of rest of the reason.

I would hope we're looking for a centre back who is good enough to immediately challenge both Mee and Tarkowski for a place. And Boden has been extensively advertising that a winger is on the shopping list and I think we''d be absolutely potty to deliberately set the limit of our ambitions in wide positions to someone who is not quite as good as JBG. Its not like the right back position where only one player can play at a time, and where Lowton has done enough to make replacing him a low priority - we lacked creativity and directness out wide at times last season. In addition a pacey, direct winger who can also operate as a second striker might well be the answer to replacing Gray, which I think we'd be wise to start thinking about now given how important he is to us.

Neither of those players would necessarily go straight into the team, but they'd be providing real competition for the incumbents, and in reality those players cost £10 million a piece minimum in this market. We've got the cash, we ought to pay it, and I suspect that will be Dyche's mindset. It might not be Mike Garlick's, but hopefully the fact he nearly lost Dyche earlier this summer will focus the mind.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:52 pm

Quick question - did anybody else, apart from me, read something into his team selections yesterday, along with the game he went to see?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Was it Lochhead 9, Irvine 10?

I dout that Lochhead and Irvine could have played in the same side under modern theories. Too similar. One thing many of the "experts" are agreed on is that two goalscorers in the side is too many - one is enough, sometimes more than enough.

Dyche's habit of playing two forwards, both scoring quite regularly, isn't correct. The idea of forwards being there to score goals is old hat. So they tell us.

I wonder about Sjearer and Sutton at Blackburn - which one was the target man, and which was the classy inside forward?

As for the OP's idea of a "marquee signing", can we have an example of what sort of names we should be thinking of? Not names that are necessarily available, just the sort of player would qualify as "marquee". My gut feeling would be that an established playmaker with a proven track record at Premier League level would be outside our budget, so if Brady doesn't qualify as "marquee" then we won't be getting one.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm

I reckon we will spend at least another 20-30million. Dyche isn't stupid, he knows this season will be more difficult and at the end of the day it's his reputation on the line. We've already seen he doesn't seem to get a look in for other jobs possibly due to his playing style. He needs to improve on that and I believe he will.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:55 pm

We certainly need a CB. Mee looked poor yesterday. I know it's a friendly but both goals were caused by individual errors on his part.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:57 pm

I'lll take that as a no, which is quite surprising. Perhaps I just see things other people don't... not ghosts though. I don't see dead people.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:15 pm

mohamed69 wrote:We certainly need a CB. Mee looked poor yesterday. I know it's a friendly but both goals were caused by individual errors on his part.

Based on last season's play and a pre-season friendly, I'd say it's too early to think of replacing him yet. We need a reserve centre half, or preferably two; I doubt Dyche has any intention of spending fortunes replacing Mee or Tarkowski.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:24 pm

[quote="dsr"]I dout that Lochhead and Irvine could have played in the same side under modern theories. Too similar.

They seemed to complement each other well enough when I watched them. Had the knack of transferring theory into practice........ and on a regular basis too!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:32 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:

I don't think it was a matter of translating theory into practice, more a matter of playing the games, scoring lots of goals, and to hell with the theory!

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:37 pm

May be Fabian Delph

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:44 pm

I'm pleased but not excited by any of the signing. I'd love us to sign a real top striker. I'm hoping this season is more exciting up front and especially away from home.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:03 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:I'm pleased but not excited by any of the signing. I'd love us to sign a real top striker. I'm hoping this season is more exciting up front and especially away from home.

We don't necessarily need better strikers for that (it would of course help) but we desperately need to improve the service to them

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:17 pm

Who are these marquee players; household names, Premier League favorites or European starlets that we can tempt to Burnley..?
Does anyone think we'd double our record spend (£26m) on a player of this ilk?!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:25 pm

agreenwood wrote:Hard to imagine where this "Marquee" signing is going to come in.

We probably could do with another winger and a centre half, but I don't see us breaking any club records buying either.

Did you see us breaking it twice last summer and again in January?

If you didn't, why are making the same assumption this summer?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:10 am

Vegas Claret wrote:We don't necessarily need better strikers for that (it would of course help) but we desperately need to improve the service to them

I thought we'd just signed several midfielders?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:20 am

We're about to sign Mark Marquee a french midfielder. The OP was correct.

DobloStu · Post by **DobloStu** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:11 am

The position we find ourselves in means we can't afford the sort of "name" players to get the fans salivating en mass. Even breaking our transfer record will only mean we are making progress at a rate equivalent to trying to establish ourselves in the division. Marquis signings in the championship are much easier to achieve but in this division they only sign for the top clubs.
That doesn't mean we can't spend money (even lots of it) just that I don't think we will sign any individual player that gets everyone rushing to buy a shirt with a name on it. Hopefully we will sign a number of players (and I think we have already made a good start) to improve the squad, giving us a better chance to remain strong and competitive throughout the whole season and stay up again. Every year we achieve this will see incremental improvements in the squad which will soon look unrecognisable to the squad which won the championship.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:15 am

dsr wrote:Based on last season's play and a pre-season friendly, I'd say it's too early to think of replacing him yet. We need a reserve centre half, or preferably two; I doubt Dyche has any intention of spending fortunes replacing Mee or Tarkowski.

A good portion of our goals against last season came from Mee errors. We need to strengthen here massively.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:43 am

SGr wrote:Jesus Christ.

I cannot see that happening at all,not a chance!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:58 am

tim_noone wrote:I cannot see that happening at all,not a chance!

He'd be good at crossing.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:03 am

kaptin1 wrote:So far this window we have made some solid signings, in my view, that will not doubt strengthen the squad and add competition for starting places. However, other than perhaps Assombalonga, we have yet to be linked with someone more exciting. With a right back, right winger and centre back seemingly still on the shopping list, do you think it is likely that we will make that marquee signing that will set the pulses racing? If we are going to splash the cash, I would personally like to see it done on a creative attacking player.

You had your marquee signings.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:28 am

a ******* fan taking the **** out of our signings.........

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:34 am

Vegas Claret wrote:a ******* fan taking the **** out of our signings.........

I know!

your recruitment team need sorting!!!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:50 am

Saxoman wrote:I know! your recruitment team need sorting!!!

I have faith in our manager and our club in general. Our signings have been good if not exciting - I'll be happy if we finish 4th bottom

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:57 am

Mark E Smith.

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TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:17 am

mohamed69 wrote:A good portion of our goals against last season came from Mee errors. We need to strengthen here massively.

Care to enlighten us which goals make up this "good portion" ?
Mee was excellent last season - as good as anyone.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:15 pm

tim_noone wrote:I cannot see that happening at all,not a chance!

Guess Boyd was the next best thing