Interest in Heaton

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:20 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:I'm also quite surprised nobody has shown interest in him.

It's a strange one. Keeper's were once considered pretty much only hitting their prime around 30. Could go on to 40. Shilton for example, although I remember him going walkabout during one game when he was 39/40 which suggested maybe it was time to give up...
It seems these days the prime age has dropped. Is that down to fitness, awareness, focus etc? Maybe he is considered too old? I'd be in agreement with an above post that he is up there in the top three in the Premier League.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:32 pm

I think we dodged one this season, with the highly rated Pickford getting relegated and therefore becoming available and Joe Hart looking for a club it took the pressure off.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:37 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:No Burnley player is ever guaranteed a no 1 spot with England.
Tom Heaton is a better keeper than Calamity Joe and Frasier but still.doesn't get the starting nod

That has nothing to do with him playing for Burnley otherwise he wouldn't have got capped.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:53 pm

dpinsussex wrote:I read that and had to check who wrote it.
I was hoping it might have been krbfc:)
But then does he ever go ?

But surely the question could be. - Do you ever go?

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:58 pm

Caballo wrote:I think we dodged one this season, with the highly rated Pickford getting relegated and therefore becoming available and Joe Hart looking for a club it took the pressure off.

To be fair. Joe Hart spent most of his last few years looking for the bloody ball! He should not have been anywhere near St Georges in the past few seasons. He's been average at best. I blame Head & Shoulders!

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:08 pm

Tom has a job in management at BFC when his playing days are over. Plus, he comes from a Burnley-supporting family. Hard to see him moving on at this stage of his career.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:13 pm

turfytopper wrote:But surely the question could be. - Do you ever go?

Bournmouth at the end of last season :p

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:19 pm

Spoke to Tom at the POTY awards. He assured me that he'll be here next season. That's good enough for me. Next ?!

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:26 pm

knock knock

SD "Come in Tom take a seat, I just wanted to let you know Chelsea and Man Utd have come in for you"
TH "Oh right Boss"
SD "Yeah they are offering a nice package for the club and I believe they are looking at paying you over 100k a week"
TH "Oh right Boss"
SD "you don't sound to pleased about it"
TH "Well I would be boss but sadly I cant leave"
SD "What do you mean you cant leave?"
TH "Well at the POTY awards I assured Ralph Coates' Comb that I would be here still next season"
SD "Oh ****....I see your predicament now. Looks like you are staying then"

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:31 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:knock knock

SD "Come in Tom take a seat, I just wanted to let you know Chelsea and Man Utd have come in for you"
TH "Oh right Boss"
SD "Yeah they are offering a nice package for the club and I believe they are looking at paying you over 100k a week"
TH "Oh right Boss"
SD "you don't sound to pleased about it"
TH "Well I would be boss but sadly I cant leave"
SD "What do you mean you cant leave?"
TH "Well at the POTY awards I assured Ralph Coates' Comb that I would be here still next season"
SD "Oh ****....I see your predicament now. Looks like you are staying then"

It's also quite possible he is a man of integrity and appreciated us taking him from League 1 obscurity and seeing as he is already an England International with Burnley, he's achieved his main aim?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:31 pm

best keeper in great Britain, we're lucky to have him. I do believe this is a very genuinely loyal player too.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:40 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:It's also quite possible he is a man of integrity and appreciated us taking him from League 1 obscurity and seeing as he is already an England International with Burnley, he's achieved his main aim?

I don't for one second believe he will leave us. I think most managers managing Champions league clubs have fell for this Sweeper Keeper bull which the so called best manager in the world Pep likes to have. I mean he must be really good when he only spends 140 million on three full backs when he is such a believer in youth systems. The latest fad with these sweeper keepers will ensure Tom stays with us, plus like mentioned above Pickford and Hart becoming available. I also think this season that Stoke may seriously struggle and would mean the next keeper to be hot stuff would be Butland ensuring Tom sees out his four year contract with us. Also I had heard that Fraser Forster hates it at Southampton and although signing a five yr contract this month wants out and is willing to give the new manager a season before leaving. Puel really was hated at that club by all the players and has soured the relationships between club and players.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:51 pm

The top teams tend to care more about the keepers footwork rather than handling anyway so I doubt Heaton would interest any of them.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:08 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:The top teams tend to care more about the keepers footwork rather than handling anyway so I doubt Heaton would interest any of them.

Aye, I imagine that Courtois, De Gea and Lloris were bought for their footballing ability rather than being able to stop THE BALL GOING INTO THE NET!

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:13 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Aye, I imagine that Courtois, De Gea and Lloris were bought for their footballing ability rather than being able to stop THE BALL GOING INTO THE NET!

Pep would beg to differ...

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:21 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Pep would beg to differ...

He wouldn't though.

He may want a goalkeeper who can pass it well and play as a sweeper, but he'll want one who can keep the ball out of the net more than all of that.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:25 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:He wouldn't though.

He may want a goalkeeper who can pass it well and play as a sweeper, but he'll want one who can keep the ball out of the net more than all of that.

His answer has been to buy three full backs. I don't think he's solved that one

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:53 am

ExistentialWanderer wrote:His answer has been to buy three full backs. I don't think he's solved that one

Except for the fact he spent £35m on a keeper. Ederson Moraes...

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:22 am

Money talks and if someone came along and offered to double his wages he would be off in a shot.

No loyalty in football or at the work place were money is concerned

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:50 am

Dom wrote:Except for the fact he spent £35m on a keeper. Ederson Moraes...

Didn't know about that one tbh!

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:22 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Aye, I imagine that Courtois, De Gea and Lloris were bought for their footballing ability rather than being able to stop THE BALL GOING INTO THE NET!

Considering the fact that Pep preferred Caballero and Bravo to Hart makes it a valid claim. There both worse at shop-stopping than Hart and I think Hart is crap.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:30 am

He is at the top of his game

He is in the England Squad

He is Club Captain

He is enjoying being Top Dog

If fit, he is the first name on the team sheet (Why go elsewhere just to warm the bench?)

He has local connections

Apart from wanting to be UBER rich, why would he want to move??

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:54 am

I said earlier, top 3, I've changed my mind...the best.

https://youtu.be/1VAetQB2ebc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:16 pm

We would have to pay him a very decent salary, to retain his services for the next 5-6 years. Perhaps we will.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:57 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:He is at the top of his game

He is in the England Squad

He is Club Captain

He is enjoying being Top Dog

If fit, he is the first name on the team sheet (Why go elsewhere just to warm the bench?)

He has local connections

Apart from wanting to be UBER rich, why would he want to move??

Ambition.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:42 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Ambition.

All of my points suggest the height of ambition!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:25 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:All of my points suggest the height of ambition!

Relegation battles aren't the height of ambition haha

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:28 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Relegation battles aren't the height of ambition haha

I don't remember mentioning "relegation". Has someone edited my original post?!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:44 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:I don't remember mentioning "relegation". Has someone edited my original post?!

The reason he would move, to answer your question, is ambition. Despite the things that you have listed, I'm sure, as a professional footballer, he would rather be challenging for trophies and playing in Europe rather than engaged in what will most likely be a perpetual fight to avoid relegation.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:16 pm

This report was posted on BBC Sport website on 19-May-2017. It's still there now on the BBC Sports Burnley FC webpage, plus all the other BBC reports on Burnley FC since that date. Have some of you guys forgotten that Tom has said he's "more than happy where I am at the moment?"

Tom Heaton: Burnley goalkeeper 'more than happy' at Turf Moor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39980393" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goalkeeper Tom Heaton has played down speculation linking him with a move from Burnley by insisting he is "more than happy" to stay at Turf Moor.
The 31-year-old, who signed a four-year contract with the club last July, has impressed again this season.
He made his England debut in April and believes staying with the Clarets can help his international chances.
"It is about playing Premier League football and continuing to work at the international set-up," he said.
"I'm delighted to be involved in that and have a taste for it and now I've got a hunger for more. I want to continue improving every day and I'm more than happy where I am at the moment."
Defender Michael Keane has also been heavily linked with a summer move from Burnley, but Heaton is not concerned by the prospect of the club selling players.
"It is the nature of the beast, especially at this level, that when players do well they will get talked about," added Heaton, who joined Burnley from Manchester United in 2013.
"Our biggest strength is our team ethic and our unity. Whatever happens we will deal with it and we'll keep moving forward."

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mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:17 pm

Paul Waine wrote:This report was posted on BBC Sport website on 19-May-2017. It's still there now on the BBC Sports Burnley FC webpage, plus all the other BBC reports on Burnley FC since that date. Have some of you guys forgotten that Tom has said he's "more than happy where I am at the moment?"

Tom Heaton: Burnley goalkeeper 'more than happy' at Turf Moor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39980393" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goalkeeper Tom Heaton has played down speculation linking him with a move from Burnley by insisting he is "more than happy" to stay at Turf Moor.
The 31-year-old, who signed a four-year contract with the club last July, has impressed again this season.
He made his England debut in April and believes staying with the Clarets can help his international chances.
"It is about playing Premier League football and continuing to work at the international set-up," he said.
"I'm delighted to be involved in that and have a taste for it and now I've got a hunger for more. I want to continue improving every day and I'm more than happy where I am at the moment."
Defender Michael Keane has also been heavily linked with a summer move from Burnley, but Heaton is not concerned by the prospect of the club selling players.
"It is the nature of the beast, especially at this level, that when players do well they will get talked about," added Heaton, who joined Burnley from Manchester United in 2013.
"Our biggest strength is our team ethic and our unity. Whatever happens we will deal with it and we'll keep moving forward."

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I don't think he will leave as I don't think he's gotten any better offers. But what else do you expect him to say to the press?!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:24 pm

When the next England squad is announced, then we will see if Tom has made the right idea staying with us.

I fear that he will feel that he needs to be at a bigger club if he wants to play regularly for England.

I think he's better than Fraser Foster, but is he better than Hart, Pickford and Butland?

Not so sure

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:24 pm

mohamed69 wrote:I don't think he will leave as I don't think he's gotten any better offers. But what else do you expect him to say to the press?!

Hi Mohamed, he's said what many of us would want him to say - but, there are a lot of footballers who don't tell the press they are happy to stay put.

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Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:57 pm

Its naive to think that he we will be here past next season if he has another good season. Can't keep him forever Tom seems to be happy for now more clean sheets will generate interest that he won't ignore.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:04 am

He's no Joe Neenan

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:38 am

Diesel wrote:I said earlier, top 3, I've changed my mind...the best.

https://youtu.be/1VAetQB2ebc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There was a thread not so long ago with a poster saying how many goals Ben Mee had cost us and how he is a weak link, just watching that Ben Mee saved at least 3 goals from Toms saves which went back into the danger area towards a opposition player and was always in the middle in case of a rebound when Tom tipped them over. Tom should be England No1 far better than Hart.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:53 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:There was a thread not so long ago with a poster saying how many goals Ben Mee had cost us and how he is a weak link, just watching that Ben Mee saved at least 3 goals from Toms saves which went back into the danger area towards a opposition player and was always in the middle in case of a rebound when Tom tipped them over. Tom should be England No1 far better than Hart.

Yes I noticed that, great presence and anticipation.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:11 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:There was a thread not so long ago with a poster saying how many goals Ben Mee had cost us and how he is a weak link, just watching that Ben Mee saved at least 3 goals from Toms saves which went back into the danger area towards a opposition player and was always in the middle in case of a rebound when Tom tipped them over. Tom should be England No1 far better than Hart.

You would absolutely expect any defender to be first to those rebounded shots.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:16 pm

mohamed69 wrote:You would absolutely expect any defender to be first to those rebounded shots.

Except that is when Heaton palms the ball into similar positions whilst playing for England and Cahill and Stones don't react anywhere near as quickly as Ben Mee.
Other than that spot on.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:30 pm

Braindead wrote:Except that is when Heaton palms the ball into similar positions whilst playing for England and Cahill and Stones don't react anywhere near as quickly as Ben Mee.
Other than that spot on.

Based on what, 3 halves of football?

There are examples last season where it was palmed to an attacker who scored, but these weren't on heatons top 10 save video surprisingly.

But yeah you're right. Mee should be starting for England over Cahill and stones

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:31 pm

At least mohamed is consistent

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:10 pm

If for every 10 Tom Heaton saves Ben Mee makes 3 goal saving clearances and is in the right place to make a clearance for at least 5 of those saves how many goals do you think he save us from conceding over the course of the season. Look at his stats from last season he was better than you're giving him credit for. https://www.premierleague.com/players/3 ... tats?se=54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

charlyt · Post by **charlyt** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:19 pm

Heaton and Mee are Titans.
We are so fortunate to have them.
And Lowton Tark and Ward aint that bad either...!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:09 pm

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FulledgeClaret wrote:If for every 10 Tom Heaton saves Ben Mee makes 3 goal saving clearances and is in the right place to make a clearance for at least 5 of those saves how many goals do you think he save us from conceding over the course of the season. Look at his stats from last season he was better than you're giving him credit for. https://www.premierleague.com/players/3 ... tats?se=54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Versus any other player? A defender should be closer to the keeper than an attacker, and should be the one clearing rebounded saves 80% of the time as a matter of course. Mee for England !

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:41 pm

going off overall stats for every player
Shots blocked 1st Ben Mee
Clearances off line 1st Ben Mee
Total Clearances 2nd Ben Mee
Nobody is saying Mee for England and this isn't really the thread for debating Ben Mee but most defensive stats suggest we will struggle to find a better centre half without shelling out north of 30m but you for some reason seem to think he isn't up to the job and costs us quite a few goals a season which is just not true.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:00 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:Nobody is saying Mee for England.

I would be more than happy to see him playing for England.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:06 pm

https://youtu.be/1VAetQB2ebc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back to Tom, you've got to watch the above link if you haven't already seen it, that save against West Brom was supernatural.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:21 pm

Diesel wrote:https://youtu.be/1VAetQB2ebc

Back to Tom, you've got to watch the above link if you haven't already seen it, that save against West Brom was supernatural.

Yes great save against West Brom. But it's so hard to pick the best out of those. One against Rondon right up there but so are the ones from Ibrahimovic and Austin, and all very different.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:46 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:going off overall stats for every player
Shots blocked 1st Ben Mee
Clearances off line 1st Ben Mee
Total Clearances 2nd Ben Mee
Nobody is saying Mee for England and this isn't really the thread for debating Ben Mee but most defensive stats suggest we will struggle to find a better centre half without shelling out north of 30m but you for some reason seem to think he isn't up to the job and costs us quite a few goals a season which is just not true.

So he ranks first or second amongst our two centre halves? Great.

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:19 pm

mohamed69 wrote:So he ranks first or second amongst our two centre halves? Great.

No those stats where he ranked no 1 or no 2 are for all players from all teams who played in the premier league last season not just Burnley central halves.