Dan Agyei

[claretdavid]

Was Agyei our number 9 yesterday in the match down at Gawthorpe ?

[mohamed69]

I can't see any of the current four leading strikers causing any sleepless nights for defenders.

Have you seen Ashley Barnes play?

[Commy]

A lot of young players, who normally wouldn't have been given a chance, have made the grade by being forced to play. Dyche obviously sees something in him as he wouldn't let him go on loan in January when a number of clubs wanted him. Nobody knows until he gets decent game time. He did look to be trying too hard to get that first goal in the friendlies so he might play more relaxed if he can get one.

[what_no_pies]

I'm just gonna float the possibility that Dan Agyei isn't good enough but utilising him as a squad player last season helped our application for Academy 2 status - for which a club must demonstrate they are actively developing players.

I'm still very much on the fence where Agyei is concerned (we simply haven't seen enough to know his level yet) but there's plenty of people using his minimal game time as evidence that he's going places - comments like 'Dyche obviously sees something in him' etc.

No doubting that Dyche and BFC potentially had an ulterior motive here.

[ClaretTony]

I'm just gonna float the possibility that Dan Agyei isn't good enough but utilising him as a squad player last season helped our application for Academy 2 status - for which a club must demonstrate they are actively developing players.

Our audit for Cat 2 did not take him or Aiden O'Neill into account because the data used was up to and including the end of the 2015/16 season. So no, nothing to float on that one.

[Goobs]

Why did you have to go and spoil his lovely conspiracy theory Tony. He's probably crying into his tinfoil hat now.

[what_no_pies]

Our audit for Cat 2 did not take him or Aiden O'Neill into account because the data used was up to and including the end of the 2015/16 season. So no, nothing to float on that one.

Cheers for clarifying - seems odd that the recategorisation dismissed the work we've done with the youngsters most recently. I remain on the face and hope to be pleasantly uprised by his development. Strikers need a decent bit of time to find their feet generally and I'm not ure he'll get that here this year. Gray must be replaced.

[PWBFC]

Not seen a great deal of him but watching at Kidderminster made me think he's some way off. I would think another loan move to League 1 would be his level. Hopefully a more stable club that Coventry were last season.

[Rowls]

Didn't exactly set Coventry alight...

You been to Coventry? You wouldn't notice the difference if the whole city burned down again.

[ablueclaret]

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[ClaretTony]

Cheers for clarifying - seems odd that the recategorisation dismissed the work we've done with the youngsters most recently. I remain on the face and hope to be pleasantly uprised by his development. Strikers need a decent bit of time to find their feet generally and I'm not ure he'll get that here this year. Gray must be replaced.

It's not dismissed it but the audit was done prior to Agyei actually playing in the first team. Getting players playing league football is one area that we have to improve on if we want to keep Cat 2 or better long term.

[ralph]

Struggled on Tuesday

[IanMcL]

You been to Coventry? You wouldn't notice the difference if the whole city burned down again.

The lad is very young. If he is going to be an early Prem striker, you would think he would be prolific at that level, already. He wasn't. Not yet his time.

[Rowls]

Oh. I was only trying to make social commentary.

[what_no_pies]

It's not dismissed it but the audit was done prior to Agyei actually playing in the first team. Getting players playing league football is one area that we have to improve on if we want to keep Cat 2 or better long term.

If last season wasn't dismissed and doing a better job of blooding products of our youth system is indeed a requirement for the improved categorisation I'd say my original point was very valid - BFC were incentivised to give him some game time beyond just his personal development. Dyche/BFC may have been peddling their own agenda in playing him rather than genuinely believing he's a good un.

[ClaretTony]

If last season wasn't dismissed and doing a better job of blooding products of our youth system is indeed a requirement for the improved categorisation I'd say my original point was very valid - BFC were incentivised to give him some game time beyond just his personal development. Dyche/BFC may have been peddling their own agenda in playing him rather than genuinely believing he's a good un.

You haven't made a valid point at all to be honest. Firstly, last season wasn't dismissed, it just wasn't part of the audit which was carried out before Agyei played in our first team in any case. We'd actually had the pre-audit, which allowed us to go forward for the full audit, last September so not sure how last season could be considered given it was about a month in when that audit started.

But giving him game time won't have any bearing on anything because we didn't need to, him playing at Coventry on loan is adequate so we also had Josh Ginnelly playing league football last season as well as Tom Anderson, Aiden O'Neill, Alex Whitmore all out on loan.

[what_no_pies]

Tony, since you've now said twice that last season wasn't dismissed my admittedly speculative suggestion (my point if you will) that playing Agyei in the first team might have been with an eye on a different goal seems perfectly reasonable. A fairly interesting concept I thought too, but it appears to have ruffled a few feathers here for some reason.

Im genuinely interested in how this works and your attempt to correct me on it was appreciated initially, but I'm left a little bewildered by some perceived contradictions. You said clearly that last season wasn't dismissed then went on to say you're not sure how last season could have been considered.

[ralph]

...two words conditional and ongoing .

[Ollyd]

I live in Morecambe and see them play fairly often. Dan rarely got a start in one of the weakest sides in League 2, a team so bereft that a fans collection was needed to pay the manager's fine.
He did not score for them. He also disappointed in the loss to Blackburn in that cup thing played at Morecambe. He is tall, quick and busy,and still a prospect, but if he were loaned out to a league club he might again find it difficult to get a start. Non league would be my choice, anywhere with guaranteed game time.

[ClaretEngineer]

You been to Coventry? You wouldn't notice the difference if the whole city burned down again.

The Germans tried to improve it once for us.

[claretandy]

I live in Morecambe and see them play fairly often. Dan rarely got a start in one of the weakest sides in League 2, a team so bereft that a fans collection was needed to pay the manager's fine.
He did not score for them. He also disappointed in the loss to Blackburn in that cup thing played at Morecambe. He is tall, quick and busy,and still a prospect, but if he were loaned out to a league club he might again find it difficult to get a start. Non league would be my choice, anywhere with guaranteed game time.

epic, epic fail, it was massanka that went on loan to morecambe, not agyei.

[Rowls]

The Germans tried to improve it once for us.

It was beautiful before the war. Prince Charles called it right - destroyed once by the Luftwaffe and then again by architects and town planners.

[Ollyd]

epic, epic fail, it was massanka that went on loan to morecambe, not agyei.

On July 12 Tony Scholes wrote a piece on this board about Agyei's Morecambe debut as a trialist

[claretandy]

On July 12 Tony Scholes wrote a piece on this board about Agyei's Morecambe debut as a trialist

So i was right then, he wasn't there last season like you said.

[ralph]

On July 12 Tony Scholes wrote a piece on this board about Agyei's Morecambe debut as a trialist

rarely got a start ? how many times did the Shrimps play that WEEK ? ... he was there for ONE week

[BleedingClaret]

epic, epic fail, it was massanka that went on loan to morecambe, not agyei.

yep Massanka did ok at Coventry... oh hold on

[Woodleyclaret]

A pacy forward would have been useful for last 10 mins as we sat back at Chelsea.