Shane Long

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:57 pm

Done or close to getting done so say Southampton fans.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:59 pm

How will they replace all the goals he scored last season?, i'm sure they are in a panic right now

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:59 pm

If it happens I will stick my neck out and say I think he will be great for us. I know a few disagree with my sentiment on Long, but back him and lets hope he can get back to the form he is capable of.

Starting 38 games he will notch - being a bit part impact sub doesn't seem to suit him.

Where have you seen this mate?

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:01 pm

jedi_master wrote:If it happens I will stick my neck out and say I think he will be great for us. I know a few disagree with my sentiment on Long, but back him and lets hope he can get back to the form he is capable of.

Starting 38 games he will notch - being a bit part impact sub doesn't seem to suit him.

Where have you seen this mate?

Not seen it anywhere got a text from my Southampton mate saying its the story there but nothing that I can find on the net tbh.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:01 pm

Good player. We should be happy with this....

But we won't.

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:04 pm

KB has good contacts with Southampton through Jay and said this is nothing but a rumour.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:04 pm

As long as we can cut out his diving .Him and Doyle were legends at Reading for gaining penalties at the mearest hint of a challenge .
That said he was the fastest player in the Prem and with decent service will score a bag of goals for us.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Please no.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:09 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:As long as we can cut out his diving .Him and Doyle were legends at Reading for gaining penalties at the mearest hint of a challenge .
That said he was the fastest player in the Prem and with decent service will score a bag of goals for us.

Some clown on twitter said we'd agreed terms with him but,we haven't agreed a fee.
I smell BS,we shall see though.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:15 pm

Can someone explain to me how replacing Andre Gray with Shane Long is good business. I'd be fascinated to hear the argument. What an embarrasment of a window if we don't replace Gray adequately.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:17 pm

Seems like a realistic option and I'd be pleased if it was to happen.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:19 pm

An ok replacement but we can and should be aiming for better.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:21 pm

30 years old, not prolific (in a far more creative team than ours).

But hey, ability is measured by number of PL appearances, so let's forget the things that matter when it comes to replacing a striker who managed 32 in 73 for us.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:21 pm

Well. If we got £18m for gray, and we spend say £12m on long, we have £6m in the bank, and a better footballer at the club. One who wants to be here.

I'm still struggling with the misunderstanding that gray was sold against his wishes???

He wanted out. We sell him now for a good fee, or he sulks here all season, and leaves for nowt. The club has acted in the only sensible way it could.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:22 pm

Said on another thread that it would have been a very good signing...four or five years ago. Into his thirties, game built around pace which will naturally decline. Another 30 something on a long term contract ? Got to be very wary of going too far down that road.
We should be capable of younger and better although I fully appreciate that,unfortunately, we appear to be rather restricted in our recruitment reach.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:23 pm

6-4 on say sky bet

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:23 pm

longsidelewis wrote:It's not going to happen. SD knows exactly what he is doing with transfers. Great business for him selling Andre Gray as he receives 20% of the money on all transfers on players he has brought in who then get sold.

There's no way this is true...

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:24 pm

longsidelewis wrote:It's not going to happen. SD knows exactly what he is doing with transfers. Great business for him selling Andre Gray as he receives 20% of the money on all transfers on players he has brought in who then get sold.

WTF.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:26 pm

isnt he irish

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:26 pm

longsidelewis wrote:It's not going to happen. SD knows exactly what he is doing with transfers. Great business for him selling Andre Gray as he receives 20% of the money on all transfers on players he has brought in who then get sold.

Horseshit.

otto1959 · Post by **otto1959** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:26 pm

longsidelewis wrote:It's not going to happen. SD knows exactly what he is doing with transfers. Great business for him selling Andre Gray as he receives 20% of the money on all transfers on players he has brought in who then get sold.

Really,
where did you get that from.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:26 pm

longsidelewis wrote:It's not going to happen. SD knows exactly what he is doing with transfers. Great business for him selling Andre Gray as he receives 20% of the money on all transfers on players he has brought in who then get sold.

Where has that come from? ********.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:27 pm

its what holloway got when he was manager at blackpool...not in SD'S contract

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:28 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Can someone explain to me how replacing Andre Gray with Shane Long is good business. I'd be fascinated to hear the argument. What an embarrasment of a window if we don't replace Gray adequately.

Shane Long can head a ball and can also trap and control a football.He is an international.He wants to be here if he comes,Gray didn't.We got probably more money for Gray than we will pay for Long.Adequate replacement for Gray.So don't be to embarrassed.Ive never been embarrassed by anything football related in my life.Oh and he has no connection to Little Mix which is a bonus.He knows most of our players and O'Neill probably tied on for our next manager.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:29 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Said on another thread that it would have been a very good signing...four or five years ago. Into his thirties, game built around pace which will naturally decline. Another 30 something on a long term contract ? Got to be very wary of going too far down that road.
We should be capable of younger and better although I fully appreciate that,unfortunately, we appear to be rather restricted in our recruitment reach.

Long was one of the top five fastest players in the Prem last season according to the stats

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:30 pm

This can't be true. Southampton only have two other strikers and one is usually injured. I've heard that we're the only club that sells players before bringing in replacements.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:32 pm

Jimscho wrote:Shane Long can head a ball and can also trap and control a football.He is an international.He wants to be here if he comes,Gray didn't.We got probably more money for Gray than we will pay for Long.Adequate replacement for Gray.So don't be to embarrassed.Ive never been embarrassed by anything football related in my life.Oh and he has no connection to Little Mix which is a bonus.He knows most of our players and O'Neill probably tied on for our next manager.

Kevin Long is an international for ROI as well. Just saying.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:34 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Kevin Long is an international for ROI as well. Just saying.

Shane Long must have at the very least 50 more full international caps. Just saying.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:37 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Kevin Long is an international for ROI as well. Just saying.

So?Have you ever said anything positive about any Burnley players.Why do some of you support Burnley.I use the term support very loosely.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:37 pm

Jimscho wrote:Shane Long can head a ball and can also trap and control a football.He is an international.He wants to be here if he comes,Gray didn't.We got probably more money for Gray than we will pay for Long.Adequate replacement for Gray.So don't be to embarrassed.Ive never been embarrassed by anything football related in my life.Oh and he has no connection to Little Mix which is a bonus.He knows most of our players and O'Neill probably tied on for our next manager.

Just a shame he's a striker that barely scores. We already have enough of those.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Jimscho wrote:Shane Long can head a ball and can also trap and control a football.He is an international.He wants to be here if he comes,Gray didn't.We got probably more money for Gray than we will pay for Long.Adequate replacement for Gray.So don't be to embarrassed.Ive never been embarrassed by anything football related in my life.Oh and he has no connection to Little Mix which is a bonus.He knows most of our players and O'Neill probably tied on for our next manager.

No good just being able to head the ball, trap it, control it etc, if he can't find the net at the end of it. It's not ice skating where we get points for technical merit.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:46 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Just a shame he's a striker that barely scores. We already have enough of those.

We've just got rid of one of them.He was called Gray.Ok in Championship not in Prem.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:47 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:No good just being able to head the ball, trap it, control it etc, if he can't find the net at the end of it. It's not ice skating where we get points for technical merit.

See post 33.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:52 pm

We need a scoring striker. Pace with goals please.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:56 pm

Jimscho wrote:We've just got rid of one of them.He was called Gray.Ok in Championship not in Prem.

Gray scored 9 goals in his first season in the Prem, which is higher than every single one of Shane Long's bar one.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:00 pm

Two years ago Long had a cracking season, felt like he was scoring every week. I'd be happy with him.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:04 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Gray scored 9 goals in his first season in the Prem, which is higher than every single one of Shane Long's bar one.

Good job he played against a crap Sunderland side or he would have only got 6.He wasn't the world beater that some on here think he was.He was good in the Championship against poore defenders and I think that's his level.Thats my opinion.You obviously think differently.I will reserve judgement on Long if and when he comes.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:06 pm

Hope we are safe by March cos all of our RoI players will get their World Cup heads on around then and won't want to get injured.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:09 pm

What about some facts to add to the trivial negative comments about an established international Premier League Centre forward.

Very good player who IMO would become a better player under SD and his coaching team even at this stage in his career.

Got all the attributes that Gray had but a much better all round player with proven PL experience.

2010 - 11 - Long scored 21 goals in 44 games in the Championship (Reading)
2015 -16 - Gray scored 23 goals in 41 games in the Championship (Burnley)

2011 - 12 - Long scored 8 goals in 32 games in the Premier League (West Brom)
2012 - 13 - Long scored 8 goals in 34 games in the Premier League (West Brom)
2015 - 16 - Long scored 10 goals in 28 games in the Premier League (Southampton)

2016 - 17 Gray scored 9 goals in 32 games in the Premier League (Burnley)

Long's Record

Southampton
Transfer Fee : £12,000,000
49 - Starts
18 - Goals

Hull
Transfer Fee : £7,000,000
15 - Starts
4 - Goals

West Brom
Transfer Fee : £6,500,000
60 - Starts
19 - Goals

Reading
95 - Starts
44 - Goals

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:21 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:What about some facts to add to the trivial negative comments about an established international Premier League Centre forward.

Very good player who IMO would become a better player under SD and his coaching team even at this stage in his career.

Got all the attributes that Gray had but a much better all round player with proven PL experience.

2010 - 11 - Long scored 21 goals in 44 games in the Championship (Reading)
2015 -16 - Gray scored 23 goals in 41 games in the Championship (Burnley)

2011 - 12 - Long scored 8 goals in 32 games in the Premier League (West Brom)
2012 - 13 - Long scored 8 goals in 34 games in the Premier League (West Brom)
2015 - 16 - Long scored 10 goals in 28 games in the Premier League (Southampton)

2016 - 17 Gray scored 9 goals in 32 games in the Premier League (Burnley)

Long's Record

Southampton
Transfer Fee : £12,000,000
49 - Starts
18 - Goals

Hull
Transfer Fee : £7,000,000
15 - Starts
4 - Goals

West Brom
Transfer Fee : £6,500,000
60 - Starts
19 - Goals

Reading
95 - Starts
44 - Goals

How are stats from over 5 years ago relevant? We should sign Rickie Lambert, he bagged 15 goals for Southampton that season! What matters is the present and present day Shane Long doesn't score.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:27 pm

To me he always looks like a willing runner (fast, I think), leads the line well.
if that's what we need all well and good.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:29 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:How are stats from over 5 years ago relevant? We should sign Rickie Lambert, he bagged 15 goals for Southampton that season! What matters is the present and present day Shane Long doesn't score.

2015/16 he scored 10 in 28 how is that 5 years ago.So presentish day Shane Long does score.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:31 pm

"How are stats from over 5 years ago relevant? We should sign Rickie Lambert, he bagged 15 goals for Southampton that season! What matters is the present and present day Shane Long doesn't score."

Ridiculous statement.

If you take time to read it the comparison is with Gray and the fact they have an almost identical record.

10 goals in 28 games in 2015-16 is that not present day enough? I suppose Gray's 23 goals in the Championship don't count then?

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:36 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Can someone explain to me how replacing Andre Gray with Shane Long is good business. I'd be fascinated to hear the argument. What an embarrasment of a window if we don't replace Gray adequately.

In my opinion Shane Long is a much better striker than Gray and it would be an improvement with cash left over towards another signing.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:36 pm

I hope we sign him, if for nothing else but to stick it up some of the most moaning fans who allegedly support our Club. I read on the board today that some people would whinge if we signed Lionel Messi and I don't disbelieve it!

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:42 pm

Underwhelming.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:50 pm

So we could be replacing a striker who was lambasted on here a lot for only scoring 9 league goals last season with another striker who scores a similar amount and some people are happy with this??

Some heads need wobbling because this love in for Shane Long is just down right bizarre....

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:53 pm

Its not really a love in Sid, probably more a case of a realistic target and people wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt if he did sign and see how he would fit in. I suppose he is similar to Gray speed wise (which we need) and does have other positive attributes which Gray lacked. Wouldn't be a bad signing IMO

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So we could be replacing a striker who was lambasted on here a lot for only scoring 9 league goals last season with another striker who scores a similar amount and some people are happy with this??

Some heads need wobbling because this love in for Shane Long is just down right bizarre....

I have it on good authority that Shane Long was the All Ireland bag of cement trapping champion before he came to Reading.
so he's definitely an upgrade on Andre Gray

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:54 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So we could be replacing a striker who was lambasted on here a lot for only scoring 9 league goals last season with another striker who scores a similar amount and some people are happy with this??

Some heads need wobbling because this love in for Shane Long is just down right bizarre....

Not bizarre at all unless you think everyone who 'lambasted' Gray all want us to sign Long, or the other way round.