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Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:40 am

Ex professional footballer and tv pundit
Gives Burnleys transfer dealings a B+
Another that dosent agree with the whingers on here.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:42 am

Because he's looking at it over the whole window, like everyone is.

I don't agree with the massive overreaction from the usual suspects on here, but I don't think there is a single Burnley fan not wondering this morning why we haven't signed another CB.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:43 am

Nothing wrong with our transfers in general but even the optimists on here can't be happy with 3 CB's and not replacing Keane.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't agree with the massive overreaction from the usual suspects on here, but I don't think there is a single Burnley fan not wondering this morning why we haven't signed another CB.

We were told often enough it wasn't a priority so I don't think we should we wondering. Whether we thought one should have been brought in is another matter.

Firthy wrote:Nothing wrong with our transfers in general but even the optimists on here can't be happy with 3 CB's and not replacing Keane.

I don't think he posts on here, but the manager is.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:46 am

Sean Dychethe our manager....and he has done a very good job.
He thinks we are ok in that department
So il go with his judgement
Rather that listen to the crap on here

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:55 am

Blyclaret wrote:Sean Dychethe our manager....and he has done a very good job.
He thinks we are ok in that department
So il go with his judgement
Rather that listen to the crap on here

Is this the same manager who was happy with our midfield 3 years ago, judges before Marney got injured and our season was wrecked?

He's a very very good manager, but he's not infallible you know.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:01 am

Oh ye pick out one bad thing out of all the good things he has done.
Some people should engage brain before opening mouth.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:04 am

Is this Paul Merson giving the grades?

The same Paul Merson who is normally ridiculed on here for not knowing what he's talking about? Is it different now because he's saying nice things about us?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:05 am

1fatclaret wrote:Is this the same manager who was happy with our midfield 3 years ago, judges before Marney got injured and our season was wrecked?

He's a very very good manager, but he's not infallible you know.

I'm not having he didn't want a CB. I think the budget didn't allow for it.
He often states ideally he likes 2 players for each position.

There's no reason a 3m Ryan Shotton couldn't of* been brought in as 4th choice to play in a crisis. Arguably this could of* been at the expense of Walters, Wells or Taylor as we are well stocked in those areas with players already here who can fill in there.
We arguably have 4 players able/have played left back, but only 1 left footed CB, and 3 in total. 2 of whom have only started a handful of games for Burnley and not many in the Premier league.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:10 am

We sign a CB for £15m who subsequently breaks his leg or tears his ligaments on his debut.

Back to square one.

There are a lot on here that seem to think that an injury to Tarky is nailed on so why wouldn't the above scenario be tied on to happen?

Im more than happy with the squad we have. Mind you I've been following the Clarets for over 40 years so I have seen some truly horrific Burnley teams. I suppose it all depends on how you measure progress. I tend to measure it from nearly going out of the League to where we are now. Great journey and a pleasure to watch. UTC!

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:12 am

MACCA wrote:I'm not having he didn't want a CB. I think the budget didn't allow for it.
He often states ideally he likes 2 players for each position.

I'm convinced it was Dyche's decision. And if he and his team had identified a CB the Board would have backed him. To me Dyche must believe we have enough cover and he clearly includes Taylor in that. I don't agree with it but he knows miles more than anyone else on here. If we come unstuck because of it he will be heavily criticised and rightly so.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:15 am

taio wrote:I'm convinced it was Dyche's decision. And if he and his team had identified a CB the Board would have backed him. To me Dyche must believe we have enough cover and he clearly includes Taylor in that. I don't agree with it but he knows miles more than anyone else on here. If we come unstuck because of it he will be heavily criticised and rightly so.

I agree with that. Well put.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:16 am

Marlonspants wrote:We sign a CB for £15m who subsequently breaks his leg or tears his ligaments on his debut.

Back to square one.

To be fair that's a weak argument for not strengthening. That could be applied each time we make a significant signing.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:17 am

"Oh ye pick out one bad thing out of all the good things he has done.
Some people should engage brain before opening mouth."

Well it was the reason we got relegated. Yes the good things far outweigh the bad. However, there were more bad things like Sordell, but nothing like Marneygate.

I thought BFC had learnt the lack of critical cover lesson long ago. It clearly has not. Either the Board or the manager or both are being reckless with not getting a cb in. If we are very very lucky we will get away with it this time, like when we got promoted with 2 fit strikers before that relegation.

However, I really like the way our club is run in general and obviously we have a top manager. In particular I support our wages policy. I am not having it though tht we could not find a cb with nearly a year's notice.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:39 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Because he's looking at it over the whole window, like everyone is.

I don't agree with the massive overreaction from the usual suspects on here, but I don't think there is a single Burnley fan not wondering this morning why we haven't signed another CB.

I'm not.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:39 am

Of all the positions SD is most familiar with it's defence. If he is of the opinion that we have enough cover in this department, then I'm happy to go with that. Many of us would have liked to see a specialist brought in, but there may be a number of reasons why it hasn't been done this window and I don't believe finance will be one of them.

I'm hoping that given the midfield and attacking options we have going forward, we'll be a bit less reliant on the defence and more offensive.
We have already demonstrated that we can keep the ball better than ever and now know what to do with it when we have it. Evolution of the framework means we can still retain our shape, yet play more with the ball than without and enjoy a more potent threat. The number of quality options we now have upfield is actually quite exciting.

Last season there were complaints that we spent more time off the ball than on it with poor possession stats, when we did have it we didn't know what to do with it and resorted to hoofball. We put our defence under unnecessary pressure because of this with a heavy reliant on the defensive framework, I'd say that has been very much addressed. Maybe this is another reason why SD has assessed our defensive cover and believes that we have enough for now in Long and Taylor plus any other combinations he's looked at on the training field.

CrispyClaret · Post by **CrispyClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:41 am

Dyche could have had a dozen cbs he was interested in for all we know. But recent history has shown we are not fashionable enough yet to attract all the players we want. Clubs either refuse to sell, change conditions at the last minute or players opt to stay in the mire of the Championship, albeit on what some might say are better salaries. End of the day, I assume we did the deals we could.

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:51 am

Im more than happy with the squad we have. Mind you I've been following the Clarets for over 40 years so I have seen some truly horrific Burnley teams. I suppose it all depends on how you measure progress. I tend to measure it from nearly going out of the League to where we are now. Great journey and a pleasure to watch. UTC!

Spot on

I'm convinced it was Dyche's decision. And if he and his team had identified a CB the Board would have backed him. To me Dyche must believe we have enough cover and he clearly includes Taylor in that. I don't agree with it but he knows miles more than anyone else on here. If we come unstuck because of it he will be heavily criticised and rightly so.

Spot on

This board is for people to voice opinions and I'm allowed mine, which is, some opinions voiced on here are complete ********

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:01 am

The Manager has STATED it isn't a priority to get another CB so why do we need one?
If and when a crisis occurs I'm sure someone will step into the breech but to assume one of our CB's is going to suffer a catastrophic injury is paranoia.

My opinion is we have the balance just right, we aren't one of the big clubs that can have multitudes of players going through the motions on a training pitch without ever making a contribution on rhe pitch.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:06 am

CrispyClaret wrote:Dyche could have had a dozen cbs he was interested in for all we know. But recent history has shown we are not fashionable enough yet to attract all the players we want. Clubs either refuse to sell, change conditions at the last minute or players opt to stay in the mire of the Championship, albeit on what some might say are better salaries. End of the day, I assume we did the deals we could.

Spot on! Southampton's CB that 'wants to go to Liverpool' is never going to consider the likes of Burnley, he sees Southampton as beneath him

UTC

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:10 am

Agree 100%
Dyche decision.
Now let's support that decision
It's another great season to look forward to
All the attention seekers and drama queens go somewhere else for your attention fix.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:17 am

I really really hope that Dyche does not read this message board.....if he does who would blame him for throwing the towel in.....he is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt......he is the best manager in my lifetime watching the Clarets and thats over 55 years so stop all this moaning and have faith in his judgement.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:18 am

Post 14 is the first time I've seen salarys brought into the equation. All our signings will be on considerably more money than the players they've replaced.
We still must keep a dry powder store. The way finances have gone many top clubs could go down the Pompey, Bolton and Barstewards route.

I'd rather have a 6' FB playing CH than a CH playing FB. Absolutely know doubt that from day one SD has given us a top defence and he'll sort it whatever may arise.

IN DYCHE WE TRUST.

matucana · Post by **matucana** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:21 am

I have just remarked his paper and regraded the Club to A-, as he failed to mention Bardsley (£1.5m) and Legdzins (gk) both experienced cover.
This window has been excellent for the Clarets. The squad is now far stronger than ever it has been in my 62 years of attending Turf Moor.

We all knew Keane would be departing and Gray was not unexpected given the Twittergate scenario. What was pleasing were the fees the Club obtained for both (normally an area of criticsm usually levelled at the Board) that has allowed the Club more flexibility in both their dealings, present and future, and also in the running of the Club.

For those who are devastated by the lack of a signing of a CB take heart. The three incumbents I am sure will give 100% to the cause, and they will be even more determined to be successful given the reduced competition, thus further enhancing their careers in the top flight.

As regards the moaners having a go at the Chairman and the Board, I recall the press conference following the Clarets survival in the Football League in May 1987 when the then Manager Brian Miller, who looked totally exhausted, said "this must never happen to this Club again". He had to put a team out regularly during that season with upto 3 YTS (youth training scheme youths who received government grants) in order to fulfil fixtures.

Remember that was only a generation ago and everyone who supports BFC should be grateful for where we are now and also for the excitement,
entertainment and skill that we have proudly and regularly witnessed over the last 9 seasons.

UTC!!!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:24 am

The Enclosure wrote:I really really hope that Dyche does not read this message board.....if he does who would blame him for throwing the towel in.....he is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt......he is the best manager in my lifetime watching the Clarets and thats over 55 years so stop all this moaning and have faith in his judgement.

i doubt he reads anything fans moan about.
He's on the inside, we are just observers. Burnley look in very good shape to my mind. Its not suddenly going to occur to anyone at the club that the fans were right all along , and we should have signed someone but left a gaping hole instead.
The available players will be more than good enough collectively, not only to survive, but to thrive this season.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:43 am

We've certainly had a much better window than BHA or Newcastle.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:47 am

matucana wrote:I have just remarked his paper and regraded the Club to A-, as he failed to mention Bardsley (£1.5m) and Legdzins (gk) both experienced cover.
This window has been excellent for the Clarets. The squad is now far stronger than ever it has been in my 62 years of attending Turf Moor.

We all knew Keane would be departing and Gray was not unexpected given the Twittergate scenario. What was pleasing were the fees the Club obtained for both (normally an area of criticsm usually levelled at the Board) that has allowed the Club more flexibility in both their dealings, present and future, and also in the running of the Club.

For those who are devastated by the lack of a signing of a CB take heart. The three incumbents I am sure will give 100% to the cause, and they will be even more determined to be successful given the reduced competition, thus further enhancing their careers in the top flight.

As regards the moaners having a go at the Chairman and the Board, I recall the press conference following the Clarets survival in the Football League in May 1987 when the then Manager Brian Miller, who looked totally exhausted, said "this must never happen to this Club again". He had to put a team out regularly during that season with upto 3 YTS (youth training scheme youths who received government grants) in order to fulfil fixtures.

Remember that was only a generation ago and everyone who supports BFC should be grateful for where we are now and also for the excitement,
entertainment and skill that we have proudly and regularly witnessed over the last 9 seasons.

UTC!!!

We mustn't mention 1987. It demonstrates lack of ambition. (Apparently).

Seriously - it has often been said that we signed Keane's replacement in 2016 - Tarkowski. Personally - I would have liked to have seen a new CB but with the revitalised midfield (Cork new and Hendrick, Defour and Brady all properly prepared) the defence will be under less pressure I believe.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:52 am

Tall Paul wrote:Is this Paul Merson giving the grades?

The same Paul Merson who is normally ridiculed on here for not knowing what he's talking about? Is it different now because he's saying nice things about us?

That's how it works on here.
Say nice things about Burnley or have a soft spot for Burnley = good pundit
Say negative things about Burnley = bad pundit

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:01 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:That's how it works on here.
Say nice things about Burnley or have a soft spot for Burnley = good pundit
Say negative things about Burnley = bad pundit

Incorrect phrases.

Say nice things about Burnley or have a soft spot for Burnley = happy clapper
Say negative things about Burnley = too young/plastic/wasn't at Orient/do you remember Div 4? etc

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:15 am

Marlons, if we had signed a 15 million centre half and he got injured, yes, we'd be in the same situation we're in now, but with a 15 million pound centre half to come back at some point. Should we not bother signing anyone as if they get injured, we're no better off? What a ridiculous argument.

As for Blyclaret, if you think that's his only error, then you've obviously forgotten Hennings, Ulvestaad, Chris Long, Sordell, Juke and Steven Reid.

He's got plenty of credit in the bank, but he dies make mistakes and not signing a centre half in this window, in my opinion, is one of them.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:44 am

I'm still right, but having Paul Merson as the pundit backing me up does make me wonder.......

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:19 pm

Marlonspants wrote:We sign a CB for £15m who subsequently breaks his leg or tears his ligaments on his debut.

Back to square one.

There are a lot on here that seem to think that an injury to Tarky is nailed on so why wouldn't the above scenario be tied on to happen?

Im more than happy with the squad we have. Mind you I've been following the Clarets for over 40 years so I have seen some truly horrific Burnley teams. I suppose it all depends on how you measure progress. I tend to measure it from nearly going out of the League to where we are now. Great journey and a pleasure to watch. UTC!

Totally agree. What happens if Heaton gets washed down the river doing the weekly training forfeit, and Pope dives in to save him and gets washed away too. Then we have 1 keeper nobody has heard off!!! The fact is we have 3 centre halves, several players who could make the 4th and January is only 4 months away if we are incredibly unlucky with injuries..
I'll tend to put my trust in the manager, he's done ok with our club so far...

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:27 pm

RIGHT player with the RIGHT attitude at the RIGHT price.

If we are unable to find that combination in the window then we manage with what we have.

Its not just for the next three months, the player we do bring in will be required for the next 3-4 years.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:31 pm

I am surprised we haven't signed another centre back, but I'm certainly not going through the drama-queenery and wallow some of the usual suspects are.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:41 pm

1fatclaret wrote:Marlons, if we had signed a 15 million centre half and he got injured, yes, we'd be in the same situation we're in now, but with a 15 million pound centre half to come back at some point. Should we not bother signing anyone as if they get injured, we're no better off? What a ridiculous argument.

As for Blyclaret, if you think that's his only error, then you've obviously forgotten Hennings, Ulvestaad, Chris Long, Sordell, Juke and Steven Reid.

He's got plenty of credit in the bank, but he dies make mistakes and not signing a centre half in this window, in my opinion, is one of them.

It's no more a ridiculous argument that constantly bleating about not getting a CB we were not even looking for.

If you don't think we have enough cover then fine. I'm happy though and so it seems is Sean Dyche.

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:05 pm

Marlonspants wrote:It's no more a ridiculous argument that constantly bleating about not getting a CB we were not even looking for.

If you don't think we have enough cover then fine. I'm happy though and so it seems is Sean Dyche.

Constantly bleating? Ha ha, I think this was my 5th or 6th post in 2017 and the first one that was football related!

DHClaret · Post by **DHClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:00 pm

Not possible that Dyche didn't see anyone he really fancied in the squad at a realistic price? Still got loans up his sleeve should we get injury problems and maybe there will be a better option come January?

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:05 pm

Loans up his sleeve?
He really will be a magician to change the transfer window rules.

DHClaret · Post by **DHClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:15 pm

You're right .., forgot loan rules have changed. Charlie Taylor as 4th choice isn't exactly a crisis mind.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:18 pm

DHClaret wrote:Your right .., forgot loan rules have changed. Charlie Taylor as 4th choice isn't exactly a crisis mind.

I've seen him at centre back. it is a crisis.

DHClaret · Post by **DHClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:25 pm

only if you are of a neurotic disposition

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:36 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Sean Dychethe our manager....and he has done a very good job.
He thinks we are ok in that department
So il go with his judgement
Rather that listen to the crap on here

Why come on here if it bothers you so much

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:42 pm

Paul Merson struggles tying shoe laces , let alone knows what he is talking about .

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:19 pm

The Enclosure wrote:I really really hope that Dyche does not read this message board.....if he does who would blame him for throwing the towel in.....he is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt......he is the best manager in my lifetime watching the Clarets and thats over 55 years so stop all this moaning and have faith in his judgement.

Don't worry. I think Dyche is probably the last person in the world who would throw the towel in after reading a message board.

He may pull a muscle laughing though

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:52 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I've seen him at centre back. it is a crisis.

Please expand? When have you seen him as CB (in detail) to be able to say it's a crisis? He's barely played for the club yet you can be so sure it's a crisis. You and KRBFC should get together for a truly enjoyable evening discussing the "downfall" of our club.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Personally I'd rather dangle my d!ck in hot chip fat than spend an evening with KBRFC.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:59 pm

BennyD wrote:Personally I'd rather dangle my d!ck in hot chip fat than spend an evening with KBRFC.

Yes, but you would have nothing in common with KB whereas Upthebeehole could chat about all that is wrong with our Premier League, well run and currently, very successful club.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:03 pm

I would have liked to see an additional CB brought in but the reasons for not doing so are absolutely unknown to us.

Whether SD and the recruitment team couldn't see anyone out there who was prepared to come and offered some upside financially OR whether SD was genuinely not prioritising another CB we will never know. Just as we will never know what would have really happened if we had rejected Everton's offer for Michael Keane.

We read lots of speculation, interpretation and pure guesswork on here that is often written as if it is fact but the reality is that few, if any, posters on here have genuine knowledge of the strategic or practical discussions within the club.