Lowerhouse accuse Clitheroe

[DavidFishwicksDad]

This is good that clubs are coming forward who are not paying which is good so clad rocket lawn chair named is club I thought he was connected to darwen cricket club so we now have lower house nelson colne bacup rawenstall please feel free to add if you are confidant your club doesn't pay their armatures utc

[DavidFishwicksDad]

Good to hear clubs putting their name forward who don't pay amatures please feel free to add if you r confident your club is clean utc

[Ziggy Stardust]

You can add every team in 2nd Division and most of the 1st Division teams

Exceptions with no evidence just league "chatter" or "the word on the street is"..

Church only Levi perhaps?
Trigger at Rammy everyone knows about goes through books
Hassy since Dasher left i'm not so sure.
Clitheroe No, Bowland Brewery???
Darwen, No idea but an amateur has turned down pro jobs to play with them apparently. (In the Northern League and LL)

[RocketLawnChair]

You can add every team in 2nd Division and most of the 1st Division teams

Exceptions with no evidence just league "chatter" or "the word on the street is"..

Church only Levi perhaps?
Trigger at Rammy everyone knows about goes through books
Hassy since Dasher left i'm not so sure.
Clitheroe No, Bowland Brewery???
Darwen, No idea but an amateur has turned down pro jobs to play with them apparently. (In the Northern League and LL)

Levi is paid legitimately by Church. And to be absolutely fair to Levi I have seen him running and organising several of Church junior sides.

The other thing people aren't factoring in is several clubs are skint. For example if Accrington are paying amateurs to play cricket for them I honestly will **** in my hands and clap. The entire team is Accy through and through.

[Ziggy Stardust]

The other thing people aren't factoring in is several clubs are skint. For example if Accrington are paying amateurs to play cricket for them I honestly will **** in my hands and clap. The entire team is Accy through and through.[/quote]

Correct

Another thing people aren't factoring in is it is not the clubs paying the amateurs (apart from the coach positions that go through the books) It's sponsors/local businesses who putting them on the payroll/expenses what you want to call it. (allegedly:-))

[NL Claret]

A couple of clubs in the Bolton / Rochdale area used to get round it with their sponsor employing the paid players. A timber and double glazing company. The players did not a days work all summer.

Other ways of beating the tax man, hold a sportsman's dinner. Sell 120 tickets declare half the number and hold raffles, stand up bingo and auctions which generate cash which wouldn't be declared and used to payroll a few players.

Will be interesting to see how the lancs league pans out with the CLL clubs coming in. Would guess Norden and Rochdale are quite well off.

Paying players can also ruin clubs once the money dries up and they have no players or junior set up to fall back on.

[Deardeary]

Good question to ask here is this-
Which of the original clubs voted to accept Clitheroe's application?

Those who did, no doubt had suspicions but still voted them in, why?

Did you really think anything was going to change, or were you hoping they wouldn't win anything?

[nil_desperandum]

I think that this is one of the reasons why less people watch local cricket.
Speaking personally, I want to see the best possible professional that a club can afford, (preferably heavily sponsored by local firms) playing alongside the best 10 true amateurs that a club can field.
I don't want to pay admission money to watch a game in which some amateurs are effectively paid for pursuing their hobby. Any money paid should be going into the infrastructure of the club - as has been so obviously the case at Lowerhouse.
I watched a lot of amateur cricket between about 1966 and 2006, (and saw all the top pros), but I have gone on very infrequently in recent seasons, and have not in fact been onto a Lancs league game for 3 seasons.
Nothing I read about it at present encourages me to return.

[Deardeary]

Add all the Hyndburn clubs to your list

[Deardeary]

Add all the Hyndburn clubs to your list

[TheFamilyCat]

Paying players can also ruin clubs once the money dries up and they have no players or junior set up to fall back on.

This happened at Skipton a few years ago when their sponsor fell out with the club. They lost all their players and suddenly became one pf the worst teams on the Aire-Wharfe League despite being one of the biggest towns in the league.

To make matters worse, their money man ho I think was a farmer, drove his tractor on the pitch, churning it up and sprayed weed killer all over the square if I remember correctly.

[Lord Rothbury]

There's been a lot mud flung at Clitheroe on here all season. As well as making illegal payments to players, it seems bribing umpires to complete games in the rain and being over competitive are the latest crimes.
I live round the corner from the ground, have a season ticket and my 7 year old son plays at the junior Thursday night's session every week.
My experience is of a thriving club with a great set up and a lot of dedicated volunteers putting time in, hence almost all the junior teams have also won their respective leagues this year. A couple of the players are teachers at the local primary school. Not sure a player who has genuine employment through a club sponsor can be classed as an issue.
Clitheroe is a well run club that has attracted some generous sponsors in terms of clubhouse and ground improvements. From what I have seen, that has has to be earned from a committed fund raising committee - not sure where the perception of the club being 'awash with money' comes from.
Truth is I wouldn't have a clue whether any of the players are getting paid other than the professional, but clearly some from other clubs are convinced of this and if the club are breaking league rules and the allegations are proved then that would be a disappointing end to the season for those of us casual supporters / participants in our local club set-up, who have enjoyed a great summer with our kids playing and watching cricket.
In general the bigger support attracted to the ground from other Lancs League clubs (compared with previous Ribb league seasons) has been one of the highlights and the banter on the boundary between fans always good (again in my experience).

I was at the Clitheroe V Lowerhouse encounter a few weeks ago and they ran out of pies before 4 pm .Now I know the House have a few great pie eaters in our ranks supporters wise but come on ,that is no way to run a club .

[Hopey]

Club Statement

[Quickenthetempo]

Club Statement

If 3 have been accused then why has only one been advised not to play?

[RocketLawnChair]

If 3 have been accused then why has only one been advised not to play?

That is a Lowerhouse statement you've quoted. The question you ask requires an answer from Clitheroe!

[Elder statesman]

If 3 have been accused then why has only one been advised not to play?

Sorry, where does it say this?

[ŽižkovClaret]

Colne shouldn't even be paying a pro nevermind amateurs so i would imagine they are clean in this respect. Not long since they were out with the begging buckets

[Quickenthetempo]

Sorry, where does it say this?

The statement by Lowerhouse states three players have been accused and the Lancs telegraph article says that Clitheroe have been advised by the league not to play Kurt Robinson.

[Quickenthetempo]

Colne shouldn't even be paying a pro nevermind amateurs so i would imagine they are clean in this respect. Not long since they were out with the begging buckets

Colne used to pay the full team based on a bonus system before nearly going bump.

[Claretforever]

I imagine this is how is used to work in the world of football before professionalism became legal in 1885. Prior to that there were a number of accusations of players being illegally paid, specifically at Blackburn and Preston, and to an extent at Darwen too considering the player changes with Blackburn at the time.

[Quickenthetempo]

What would construct as enough evidence to take action?

The Read chairman (who has since deleted his account) tweeted about a club approaching Joey Marshall from Read to play for cash payments. Now Joey is a one club type man if there ever was one, on the committee, massive fund raiser and family been involved in the club for donkeys years.

Ends up signing for Burnley.

No smoke without fire you may say?

[RocketLawnChair]

You may say that. BUT IMO and that is very humble I haven't seen a single amateur player in years worth paying to play cricket in the LL.

Some of them are capable of being a club professional further down the spectrum and deserve remuneration based on being good enough to be offered a professional contract at that level.

But very very average players now think they deserve a few quid for giving up their Saturday afternoon its absolutely pathetic and what is more pathetic are the dick heads who are prepared to pay them. I love winning but would I pay £££ to win an amateur cricket league would I ****!!

[Bordeauxclaret]

£50 to raise a complaint?

[ŽižkovClaret]

£50 to raise a complaint?

probably a token amount to stop frivolous complaints

[Inchy]

£50 compensation for Kurt Robinson missing out on a weeks wages

[Quickenthetempo]

£50 is nothing to what it could end up costing.

If not proven then damages to these player character will have to be compensated. Might just be for one at the moment as I haven't seen anyone named in public.

The Ribb league paid quite a few thousand quid to investigate a complaint by Gt Harwood over Clitheroe allegedly tapping up one of their players to come for some cash. The allegation centred around Clitheroe's Sri Lankan pro tapping their Sri Lankan amateur who had moved to the area for work. Interpreters were employed to view evidence such as text messages etc

Not enough evidence to take action but a big bill for the league. Maybe that's why Lowerhouse are saying they have to do the investigating?

[DavidFishwicksDad]

Now now Stanley just read the report! When you used to play for Burnley didn't you get free subs? Utc

[Bordeauxclaret]

How did the Ribblesdale League get authority to read people's text messages?

It's been pretty common knowledge that players have been paid for years. Wonder why Lowerhouse have chosen now to make a complaint. Hope it's more than overhearing a conversation.

[Quickenthetempo]

I presume the players offered them up.

I can see a News of the world sting coming up this summer. Watch this space.

[sanderson370]

I think that this is one of the reasons why less people watch local cricket.
Speaking personally, I want to see the best possible professional that a club can afford, (preferably heavily sponsored by local firms) playing alongside the best 10 true amateurs that a club can field.
I don't want to pay admission money to watch a game in which some amateurs are effectively paid for pursuing their hobby. Any money paid should be going into the infrastructure of the club - as has been so obviously the case at Lowerhouse.
I watched a lot of amateur cricket between about 1966 and 2006, (and saw all the top pros), but I have gone on very infrequently in recent seasons, and have not in fact been onto a Lancs league game for 3 seasons.
Nothing I read about it at present encourages me to return.

I can relate to this after watching nelson for over 20 years with top class pros ie waughs colis king larry gomes Brendan juilian etc and amateurs ie paul garaghty ian Clarkson who in my eyes would be proffesionals in the grand scheme of the poor standard of the Lancashire league nowadays.there has always been rumours for years of amateurs being paid one of the earliest was paul simmonite at colne before he moved to Leyland that year.

[DavidFishwicksDad]

I've also heard a rumour a pair off brothers from lowerhouse have been offered 60 pound a week each to walk the clitheroe chair ladies poodle. Kurt Robinson is out off action the next few weeks