Awful performance

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:49 pm

Can't fault Dyche for going with Vokes and Wood. Both been in good form so very difficult to drop either. Hendrick still out and generally whenever we play Arfield in the middle he doesn't seem comfortable, although he did well at Spurs admittedly. I suspect if Jeff is fit next week we'll go back to 4-5-1 with Wood starting ahead of Vokes. We won... Dyche can't have got it that wrong! Well done Sean and well done to the boys.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:51 pm

We won and we weren't lucky. Defending, contrary to some, is part of the game. If Palce can't get through us or hit on target doesn't make us lucky. We will though play better and lose.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:53 pm

Three points from an ugly win against the ale house brawlers.Great result.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:56 pm

3 points from a performance as poor as that is a great bonus
But it does give some cause for worry that our management team could not react when we were clearly being overrun in the middle of the park for the vast majority of the game
We certainly have enough on the bench to have changed formation and matched up to them
Don't compare this to West Brom - we were at home and should have been able to give a much stronger performance
Today we were fortunate to come away with the win

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:59 pm

No outlet at all on the wings ....We've 2 monsters in the box and absolutley nothing of worth came across. 3 points yes....but woeful performance and tatics. Screaming for a change after 30 mins.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:07 pm

I suspect with Hendrick available SD would have gone 4-5-1, but he wasn't so he went with the 4-4-2 and tbh it allowed Townsend loads of room which he definitely "enjoyed" and it restricted Defour in particular who was more than busy defensively whereas he's had so much more time and space to be creative in other games this season. I also think it meant Brady was poor too as he can't always decide whether to stick or twist in case he's caught out of position. BUT 3 points is 3 points and we certainly deserved something against West Brom and got nowt so today I'll take it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:10 pm

A decent team has an off day and wins.

A team that plays well, but loses, gets relegated.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:18 pm

At the end of the season all that matters is we registered 3 points one more win and we are a quarter way their to regaining a place
A bad performance and still a win equals a good side in the making

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:19 pm

The worst under Dyche in the Premier League... a win is a win though, another 30 points should see us safe

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:24 pm

Steve1956 wrote:The worst under Dyche in the Premier League... a win is a win though, another 30 points should see us safe

really not sure that it was the worst - there were some good performances in that today

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:24 pm

Just thankful it wasn't an on form arsenal or utd today, otherwise it would have been catastrophic, we were lucky to survive from their corners, and luckier still from the number of attacks they launched, time and time again getting into dangerous places in and around our box.
wood will be fine as long as there's something half decent to get on the end of.
doesn't seem possible we beat chelsea and drew with spurs when compared to that lacklustre performance this aft.
there didnt appear to be any urgency in our game either. terrible game, and the worst atmosphere on turf for ages.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:34 pm

It was a poor performance but there are a few things to consider, particularly that Palace had an extra man in the middle of the park (definitely feel Dyche should've brought an extra CM on).
Also, with De Boer under so much pressure I expected Palace to come here and deliver a good performance, which they did.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:37 pm

30 more points sounds easy dosent it,8 wins and 6 Draws...what do you think Chester?

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:39 pm

We couldn't get out because Palace took a chance and pushed up to the half way line. They got away with it as every time we split them we were offside. Staying onside might have led to more goals.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:41 pm

dogged performance best way i would describe today , and we took our chance they didnt

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:45 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:A decent team has an off day and wins.

A team that plays well, but loses, gets relegated.

How did we play against West Brom again?

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:54 pm

An ugly win essential for survival in the Premier League or when chasing Europa League or Champions League places !!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:08 pm

claretlegend wrote:Can't fault Dyche for going with Vokes and Wood. Both been in good form so very difficult to drop either. Hendrick still out and generally whenever we play Arfield in the middle he doesn't seem comfortable, although he did well at Spurs admittedly. I suspect if Jeff is fit next week we'll go back to 4-5-1 with Wood starting ahead of Vokes. We won... Dyche can't have got it that wrong! Well done Sean and well done to the boys.

Possibly, but Vokes may be a better leader of the line in a 4-5-1

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:11 pm

1 goal, 2 shots on target, 3 points.
7th in the table.
UTC

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:14 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:How did we play against West Brom again?

West Brom didn't play well and won.

West Brom won't get relegated.

If we were to play well and win some of our games and play bad and still win the rest of our games. We'd be Man United!

We're not. We're Burnley with 7 points from a possible 12 in the premier league. Personally, my pints three quarters full!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:19 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:West Brom didn't play well and won.

West Brom won't get relegated.

If we were to play well and win some of our games and play bad and still win the rest of our games. We'd be Man United!

We're not. We're Burnley with 7 points from a possible 12 in the premier league. Personally, my pints three quarters full!

You said a team that plays well and loses will get relegated

Against West Brom we played well and lost

Either your quote was stupid or you think we'll get relegated.

I know which of the above I think is right and it doesnt involve us going down

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:19 pm

Haven't read the drivel
But
Awful performance
Need to be getting more than 3 points at home to Crystal Palace FFS
Sort it out Dyche

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Prick.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:27 pm

Yes it wasn't pretty and yes palace were "better" than us. But for all their dominance and supposed superiority we restricted them to very few clear cut chances. I thought we struggled with Townsend in the first half but managed the 2nd half very well indeed by restricting benteke and forcing them to deliver from deep - which we mostly dealt with well.

In fact I was surprised how well we managed the game down to 75 at which point I thought they'd shot their bolt. Then De Boer changed their shape and for the next 10-12 we had to ride a bit of a storm. It almost worked for him but we were resolute and Dyche reacted by putting in the extra man in the middle. After that they kind of fizzled out.

Let's not underestimate how well we played today - this was no Man U where they did miss a good deal of sitters through stubbornness and blind luck on our part, but a side who were denied by a resolute battling rearguard performance. They missed their "free" headers/chances becasue we put them under pressure.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:You said a team that plays well and loses will get relegated

Against West Brom we played well and lost

Either your quote was stupid or you think we'll get relegated.

I know which of the above I think is right and it doesnt involve us going down

What part of, we won't win all our games, don't you understand? West Brom and hopefully Burnley will both play badly and win enough games not to go down. Over the years there's been a number of teams that have "been too good to go down" "they were really unlucky not win again" "their fortunes will turn and displays like that really deserved at least a point".

Jesus, we currently sit 7th in the premier league. Get to the offy and look forward to match of the day.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:33 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Shocking team selection
Being loyal only gets you the sack

I doubt that today has put Sean Dyche closer to the sack.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:34 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:What part of, we won't win all our games, don't you understand? West Brom and hopefully Burnley will both play badly and win enough games not to go down. Over the years there's been a number of teams that have "been too good to go down" "they were really unlucky not win again" "their fortunes will turn and displays like that really deserved at least a point".

Jesus, we currently sit 7th in the premier league. Get to the offy and look forward to match of the day.

Not got a clue what your babbling on about now but sounds like we both agree your original comment was a load rubbish

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:42 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Not got a clue what your babbling on about now but sounds like we both agree your original comment was a load rubbish

I think we both agree, you haven't got a clue about football.

Have a great evening moaning and complaining about the clarets picking up 3 undeserved points eh smiler!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I think we both agree, you haven't got a clue about football.

Have a great evening moaning and complaining about the clarets picking up 3 undeserved points eh smiler!

I haven't moaned or complained but apart from that you make a fair point so i'll leave it there

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I haven't moaned or complained but apart from that you make a fair point so i'll leave it there

Fair enough.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm

Not sure anyone can be happy with the performance in an attacking sense. As SD said, they were the better team today, but other qualities shone through, our desire to win, our resilience and the team ethic,

Doubt SD will be happy with our work with the ball, but he'll be praising the players for their hard work and getting the job done.

Three more points in the bag and sitting in 7th isn't too shabby, UTC!!!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:06 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:Yes it wasn't pretty and yes palace were "better" than us. But for all their dominance and supposed superiority we restricted them to very few clear cut chances. I thought we struggled with Townsend in the first half but managed the 2nd half very well indeed by restricting benteke and forcing them to deliver from deep - which we mostly dealt with well.

In fact I was surprised how well we managed the game down to 75 at which point I thought they'd shot their bolt. Then De Boer changed their shape and for the next 10-12 we had to ride a bit of a storm. It almost worked for him but we were resolute and Dyche reacted by putting in the extra man in the middle. After that they kind of fizzled out.

Let's not underestimate how well we played today - this was no Man U where they did miss a good deal of sitters through stubbornness and blind luck on our part, but a side who were denied by a resolute battling rearguard performance. They missed their "free" headers/chances becasue we put them under pressure.

their inability to score doesn't detract from the fact that we allowed them to get through so easily time and time again. Palace were not kept out by the quality of our team in any shape or form. Wouldn't have been so bad if it was just our lack of flair at the other end, but we rode our luck and grabbed 3 points.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:06 pm

Poor performance but...

Despite our good start away from home, our home form will be key again this season. Back to back home defeats, on top of a winless home run to end last season would be unacceptable.

Dyche knew we simply had to win this game to get us up and running again at home. A win by any means would do.

That's what we got.

Onwards and upwards from here.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:25 pm

Yes we got lucky today. Palace had all the possession but we defended well. Palace to be fair created little and Pope had one save to make which was world class and they missed a sitter, that was it

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:30 pm

ewanrob wrote:No outlet at all on the wings ....We've 2 monsters in the box and absolutley nothing of worth came across. 3 points yes....but woeful performance and tatics. Screaming for a change after 30 mins.

JBG put in two fantatic crosses in the first half that two strikers up front didn't get to

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:32 pm

mdd2 wrote:JBG put in two fantatic crosses in the first half that two strikers up front didn't get to

He certainly did. And both on his right foot if I remember right.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:33 pm

Longside4evr wrote:At the end of the season all that matters is we registered 3 points one more win and we are a quarter way their to regaining a place
A bad performance and still a win equals a good side in the making

My maths was a tad lacking in my first response

Harrythomsonscap · Post by **Harrythomsonscap** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:43 pm

This was an awfull. Performance who is to blame only one man Dyche! it was like a training. Exercise. Let's see how many times we can defend a corner or kick the ball out so they can attack. Us again

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:50 pm

Top Claret wrote:Yes we got lucky today. Palace had all the possession but we defended well. Palace to be fair created little and Pope had one save to make which was world class and they missed a sitter, that was it

that just isn't the case at all, palace were constant in their attacks, pope might not have had a great involvement at keeping them at bay, but everyone around him did.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:50 pm

I did not get any takers earlier on this, but really what do people think our MT were discussing for the hour that Palace dominated our midfield and why was not bringing on Westwood for a striker much earlier the answer?

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:51 pm

elwaclaret wrote:Good teams grind out wins without playing well.....

Tarks proved a few doubters wrong today.

Not sure that will put them off. They will just wait till he slips up, like Mee's doubters do. Some opinions never change.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:52 pm

Harrythomsonscap wrote:....who is to blame only one man Dyche!

You mean the guy who's got us up to seventh?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:55 pm

Harrythomsonscap wrote:This was an awfull. Performance who is to blame only one man Dyche! it was like a training. Exercise. Let's see how many times we can defend a corner or kick the ball out so they can attack. Us again

Outperformed by Palace who I thought played fairly well. There's going to be plenty of times this season when we are second best. That's why it was so pleasing we took 3 points to give us an excellent start to the season orchestrated by Dyche.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:57 pm

its not good defending if having dealt with the threat, you simply allow them to have another go, then another.
half asleep today, no quality , no leadership, no class. Yes we were overrun and no we didn't address it when it was patently obvious we need to.
Barton would have sorted that midfield out within minutes.
Poor touches, bad inaccurate passing, nobody getting forward effectively , it makes woods job ten times harder too. He clearly can find the back of the net, but he'll struggle to do it if the supply line is rank bad.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Possibly, but Vokes may be a better leader of the line in a 4-5-1

Wood managed 30 on his own up top for Leeds last season so it's a tough call.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:02 pm

We played well against West Brom got nowt,we played shite against Palace and got 3 points....Funny old game innit!?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:24 pm

well, 10.53% of the season gone now, and we're 7th. so all is not bad.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:47 pm

The only golden chance, which you could say you shouldn't miss, was in the 91st minute.

everyother chance, and there were not that many, was saved or blocked

Yes, we were poor with the ball, but defensively and battling for the points?

Top drawer to be honest

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:03 pm

We were as luck today as we were unlucky against West Brom.

I said to my mate at half time, Westwood should be on for Vokes. Not a chance it was happening at that time though even though it should have , imo.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:04 pm

Seem to remember some similar games in the recent past. Didn't we score against Leeds in the first few minutes then underwent the rest of the game but held on at the end?
We scored the all important first goal and held on with a dogged defensive organization. I think SD didn't want to change from 442 because in his eyes it's our best defensive formation (even though we were overrun in midfield).
Of course you need some luck sometimes, the only negative for me was the wastefulness on the break.
An important three points which corrects the unjustified loss against WBA.