Another example of the rich avoiding jail

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:01 pm

tim_noone wrote:So what do we do with these people that keep stabbing people...and what happened to the person that stabbed at you out of interest?

Start locking them up.

As for the one who gave me the flesh wound, she's at home last time I checked.
I was more disgusted that the police station front desk is appointment only near me than I was at being given a flesh wound.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:07 pm

starting_11 wrote:Which one? Tory or Labour?

I suspect your answer would change depending who was in charge.

And why would that be ? If any government is not funding the support and rehabilitation of such characters, what does it expect to happen ?
With luck, she should be OK, many thousands won't.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:35 pm

Ms Hoey avoided jail too after benefit fraud. Claimed over £65k plus avoided £15k M6toll charges and been working since 1997.Presently on the BBC web site
So to paraphrase the two Ronnies "It is one law for the rich and the same law for the not rich"

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:57 pm

It's about time we stopped having any laws whatsoever!

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:00 pm

mdd2 wrote:Ms Hoey avoided jail too after benefit fraud. Claimed over £65k plus avoided £15k M6toll charges and been working since 1997.Presently on the BBC web site
So to paraphrase the two Ronnies "It is one law for the rich and the same law for the not rich"

How stupid does a person have to be to compare the two crimes?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:00 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:And why would that be ? If any government is not funding the support and rehabilitation of such characters, what does it expect to happen ?
With luck, she should be OK, many thousands won't.

Ah, I get it now!

SirAlec · Post by **SirAlec** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:37 pm

I think its got more to do with her being a women than being rich. If a male student doctor had done this the judge wouldn't hesitate in sending him down.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:05 pm

starting_11 wrote:Ah, I get it now!

Good.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:09 pm

FactualFrank wrote:One rule for some, another rule for others? That's just bonkers. Intelligence, background or career potential shouldn't come into this. You commit a crime and you do the time.

But! we are all equal under the law aren't we, yeah right,i wouldn't fancy a health care professional with such a volatile personality treating me.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:22 am

She has been treated differently which is wrong. Should she be allowed to be a Doctor ? I wouldn't feel comfortable with her being mine or operating on me if going down the surgeon route. What about the code of ethics.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:33 am

She probably should go to jail, but she should also probably still be allowed to study when she comes out.

Thats kinda what the whole idea of rehabilitation is about.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:59 am

Not going to comment on the sentence, though it appears to be "broadly" in line with guidelines. (Whether it was influenced by her "wealth" , background etc., is a separate issue).
However, if we were to prevent everyone from being a surgeon, a teacher, a lawyer etc. who had had an unhealthy relationship with drugs, alcohol etc. whilst a student, (irrespective of whether they have a criminal record for it), then we would find shortages of staff in many professions.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:02 am

Rehabilitation

An ex robber now works for a security firm after rehabilation - I get it

Someone convicted of money laundering in the past has realised their error after rehabilitation. - they will never work in the banking sector

For a doctor / surgeon a person's wealthfare and the importance of life should be paramount - if they stab someone they shouldn't be allowed to be a doctor / surgeon

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:04 am

I find it impressive she spent the summer hiding at her mums villa in Italy.
Such a hard life she leads...

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:11 am

starting_11 wrote:How stupid does a person have to be to compare the two crimes?

It is in the TITLE of the thread.
Nothing to do with comparing the crimes.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:16 am

Thoughts of a barrister on the sentence (with reference to actual sentencing guidelines) https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017/09/ ... to-prison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In summary, it's not that surprising.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:33 am

Where are the usual gobby feminists demanding the some one guilty of vicious domestic violence be banned from returning to uni. Why arent they demanding the "sexist" judge step down? Where are the placards?

A third of the victims of domestic violence that's actually REPORTED, are men. Too often, male victims are treat with glib attitudes and the idea that men can be victims is still not widely accepted in mainstream society. The support for male victims is woefully underfunded. It's interesting that the focus is on her. Few have focused on his recovery and what, if any support he's had. Or what effect it's had on him since the attack.

It, once again, sends out the dated view that men will not be treat equally, by the law. When the perpetrator is a female. It's turning the clock back and the "man up" and "stop being a mard arse" view will prevail.

People have been jailed for tweeting THREATS of violence recently! This woman actually repeatedly stabbed her victim!

More importantly it's likely that it will mean that male victims will hesitate to go to the police if they feel they'll be treated unequally by a similar judge.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:49 am

Offenders get away with crime in this country largely down to the sandal wearing brigade that are more concerned about offenders' rights instead of the innocent victims.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:52 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:... This woman actually repeatedly stabbed her victim!...

You got a source on the "repeatedly" part?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:53 am

starting_11 wrote:How stupid does a person have to be to compare the two crimes?

Not quite as stupid as someone has to be to make assumptions about another persons life experience.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:55 am

Blackrod wrote:Offenders get away with crime in this country largely down to the sandal wearing brigade that are more concerned about offenders' rights instead of the innocent victims.

I thought offenders get away with crime because, victims apart, no-one cares as long as they are doing allright!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You got a source on the "repeatedly" part?

Yeah. LBC 5 minutes ago. If you want to continue with your pathetic, general point missing, pedantry. Get in touch with LBC.

Clown.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:12 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Yeah. LBC 5 minutes ago. If you want to continue with your pathetic, general point missing, pedantry. Get in touch with LBC.

Clown.

They said she repeatedly stabbed the guy? I imagine they said she repeatedly hit the guy and you're confused little mind imagined they said something else.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:They said she repeatedly stabbed the guy? I imagine they said she repeatedly hit the guy and you're confused little mind imagined they said something else.

I don't engage with idiots. I find they lower you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Move on please.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:23 pm

Its almost like aggi wasted his time posting the actual sentencing guidelines.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:33 pm

Every single time a thread like this happens there are always going to be people who think it is too harsh or too lenient a sentence. Every case and every situation is different and a judge has to use the information in front of them, their experience and with reference to the sentencing guidelines to get to a decision. There's always going to be someone unhappy but in this case the sentence handed out is within the guidelines so as much as anyone wishes to moan about it, the law has been applied correctly.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:15 pm

According to a 2010 study by Parity, a men’s issues campaigning group, more than 40 per cent of victims of domestic violence are male. Yet startlingly, as BBC London reported last week, there are no refuges in London (and only 18 nationally) that serve men. That is despite a nearly 80 per cent increase in reports from male victims between 2012 and 2016.

There are around 3500 refuges for females. 18 for men.

Bare in mind, men are far far less likely to report domestic violence than women.( male victims are 3 times less likely to tell anyone abuse domestic violence than female)

Yes it was within sentenseing guidelines.

However, being such a high profile case, it sends out a clear message that men could be wasting their time.
And even if, they've been strong enough to report domestic violence, that they can't expect to be treat with equality.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:58 pm

It's a very good point you raise Ringo and they really do need to be looking at more refuges for men.

It's a tough one re sentencing though. I don't know if I want individual cases being chosen to serve as examples to the world. That's not parity in justice.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its almost like aggi wasted his time posting the actual sentencing guidelines.

Do you expect anything more from some people?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:29 pm

No, but he does make an excellent point about the male domestic abuse situation.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No, but he does make an excellent point about the male domestic abuse situation.

He does indeed, but this shouldn't have any relevance to whether the sentence given in this case was broadly in line with guidelines, which it appears to be. (Even if some of us may think it's rather lenient).

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:13 pm

Still wasn't lenient enough for her liking...

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