Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

[dermotdermot]

So we're stuck with him then.

[Bin Ont Turf]

So we're stuck with him then.

It's a shame really.

I was looking forward to getting a manager in that couldn't speak English properly, knows the European market and getting his team to play like Hull did last season.

[KRBFC]

KRBFC..I don't really know why I am bothering to reply to your ridiculous posts, all the moreso because you are someone who has posted stuff that is genuinely racist in the past (and not in a relatively mild non-PC Eni Aluko way either, but truly racist)but can you not see the very obvious fact that if we tried to take on the vast majority of Premier League teams by playing flowing, open football then we would be regularly pasted. Dyche has worked a miracle as our manager...5 years of virtually continuous progress and positive development which is continuing as we gradually upgrade our squad. I think the reason it's so downright painful to read your posts is that they are just patently evidence of someone in their own deluded world who knows not the first thing about managing a football team criticising someone who does it absolutely brilliantly in the real world, with all it's relative constraints.
Damn....I've bitten.

5 years of mind numbing football and scraping results, its gone on for long enough, for all the great results the entertainment has been sacrificed. The atmosphere at the Turf has disappeared under Dyche and that says an awful lot about the style of play. Gone are the days of the place rocking under Coyle when Blake got the ball.


Its so boring and almost become a chore to turn up and support, we are absolutely garbage going forward, cant break a team down at all. I enjoy looking at the progress, I enjoy looking at the league table but for me to enjoy actually watching us play, Dyche has to go.

The big 6 are better than the rest but there's absolutely no reason why we have to play like we do against the rest. We wouldn't get outclassed against Swansea, Huddersfield and the rest if we opened up and we have proved it since Dyche has been here in spells. Swansea don't launch it and they didnt when they gained promotion, Wigan survived for nearly 10 years playing attractive football. Your idea of hoofball being our only hope is nonsense and has been proven nonsense on multiple occasions.

[Leisure]

5 years of mind numbing football and scraping results, its gone on for long enough, for all the great results the entertainment has been sacrificed. The atmosphere at the Turf has disappeared under Dyche and that says an awful lot about the style of play. Gone are the days of the place rocking under Coyle when Blake got the ball.


Its so boring and almost become a chore to turn up and support, we are absolutely garbage going forward, cant break a team down at all. I enjoy looking at the progress, I enjoy looking at the league table but for me to enjoy actually watching us play, Dyche has to go.

The big 6 are better than the rest but there's absolutely no reason why we have to play like we do against the rest. We wouldn't get outclassed against Swansea, Huddersfield and the rest if we opened up and we have proved it since Dyche has been here in spells. Swansea don't launch it and they didnt when they gained promotion, Wigan survived for nearly 10 years playing attractive football. Your idea of hoofball being our only hope is nonsense and has been proven nonsense on multiple occasions.

Simple solution for you - stop going!

[KRBFC]

Simple solution for you - stop going!

Wouldn't make me much of a fan if I just stopped attending because the football under one manager was terrible.

[Sidney1st]

Wigan??
You're on crack aren't you??

They finished 10th or lower in their 8 seasons in the PL and had 3 managers in that time.
They probably played their best football under Martinez but also got relegated with the fancy football but with Martinez in charge finished - 16, 16, 15 then finally 18th and relegated...

Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce didn't fare massively better, although Jewell got them their highest PL finish of 10th in their first season.
Now I don't remember much about his reign, but I can't see his football being better than Martinez's.

Would you like to find a better example?

Under Pulls Stoke usually finished somewhere just between 11th to 14th, whilst under Hughes with supposedly better football they can get to 9th, or 14th last season.
Hardly a massive improvement really.


West Ham showed last weekend that they can play route one and very good passing football and they're still just an average mid table side who've poured money into trying to finish higher.

[Dyched]

Unless you have players like Barca,City, Etc this passing football is absolutely horrible to watch.

[bfcmik]

Unless you have players like Barca,City, Etc this passing football is absolutely horrible to watch.

You mean like that passing at Everton 16 days ago? 24 passes and a goal at the end?

[Dyched]

You mean like that passing at Everton 16 days ago? 24 passes and a goal at the end?

I mean people's obsession with the passing game al Bournemouth, it's crap to watch. Boring. The players those teams have simply aren't good enough to do it every attack like Barca and City.

I'm not knocking our goal is was lovely. But if we tried to do that every single time we had the ball like mediocre teams do it would be dreadful.

[Paul Waine]

Not sure why we have two threads - copying my post from the other on, just so there's no doubt what the right answer is for the Clarets.

"If he goes....my vote is for the re-appointment of Sean Dyche. The best manager of Burnley Football Club since Harry Potts.

Yes, it was exciting watching the success we achieved under Coyle - but it was "no fun" watching us ship goals through the half-season Coyle managed Burnley in the Premier League.

It was much more exciting watching the Clarets go 3 goals up at Stamford Bridge at the start of the season. It is much more exciting seeing the results we've achieved at Anfield, Wembley and Goodison. There are no "easy games" in the Premier League. It is great that Sean Dyche has coached Burnley to be in the Premier League in 3 seasons out of 5. I want to follow Sean Dyche adding to Burnley's achievements in the Premier League. I don't think any other manager could have brought us this success. Let's keep it going as long as possible.

UTC"

[ElectroClaret]

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, Leicester have already reached their high
water mark. Any incoming manager, therefore, has to aspire to that.

They're now victims of their own success.

[claretandy]

Something new that we didn't know, it looks like Dyche signed a new contract towards the end of last season with a £2.5m release clause. It doesn't say whether its a rolling contract or not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... i-remains/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

5 years of mind numbing football and scraping results, its gone on for long enough, for all the great results the entertainment has been sacrificed. The atmosphere at the Turf has disappeared under Dyche and that says an awful lot about the style of play. Gone are the days of the place rocking under Coyle when Blake got the ball.


Its so boring and almost become a chore to turn up and support, we are absolutely garbage going forward, cant break a team down at all. I enjoy looking at the progress, I enjoy looking at the league table but for me to enjoy actually watching us play, Dyche has to go.

It’s not been 5 years of mind numbing football though has it? You’ve just decided to say that to get your weird kicks on here haven’t you? Strange little man.

The big 6 are better than the rest but there's absolutely no reason why we have to play like we do against the rest. We wouldn't get outclassed against Swansea, Huddersfield and the rest if we opened up and we have proved it since Dyche has been here in spells. Swansea don't launch it and they didnt when they gained promotion, Wigan survived for nearly 10 years playing attractive football. Your idea of hoofball being our only hope is nonsense and has been proven nonsense on multiple occasions.

[Paul Waine]

The Times: Why Sean Dyche is the manager Leicester City need

Matt Hughes, Deputy Football Correspondent

The Game Daily: The Burnley manager is overperforming and deserves a chance to broaden his horizons

Given Leicester City’s recent penchant for producing miracles it is surprising that the club’s owners are so much pausing for thought before appointing a successor to Craig Shakespeare. While he may not have won a trophy or competed in the Champions League, Sean Dyche has been producing miracles on an almost weekly basis since taking over at Burnley five years ago.

Dyche is one of the names in the frame for the Leicester job, but the Srivaddhanaprabha family have let it be known they would like to appoint to big-name manager to reproduce the stardust of their incredible Premier League winning campaign and even last season’s Champions League adventure, despite the fact that they appear to be facing a battle against relegation. Carlo Ancelotti and Thomas Tuchel have been mentioned in dispatches, and after Shakepeare’s brief reign the temptation to revert to a foreign manager is clear.

Such an approach is hardly surprising, particularly for overseas owners, but it would be a mistake, as the experience of Crystal Palace this season demonstrates. Steve Parish has been candid in admitting that he was seduced by the glamour of an overseas coach with a illustrious playing career behind him which led to their disastrous experiment with Frank De Boer, an appointment which lasted just five competitive matches. Equally honestly the Palace chairman has revealed that he considered 37 managers before appointing De Boer, yet despite this Dyche did not get an interview, although he did feature on the list.

Dyche’s achievements merit greater respect and consideration. To borrow from boxing parlance there is a strong argument that he has proved himself to be the best pound-for-pound manager in the Premier League. Burnley succeeded in staying in the Premier League for the first time in their history, in relative comfort, last season despite having the second lowest wage-bill in the division, which, at just over £30 million, was fractionally higher than Hull City’s. The club have yet to publish their accounts for last season, but for the previous year in which they were promoted from the Championship their turnover was a measly £40 million, which, to put it into context, was less than half of Bournemouth’s over the same period in the Premier League.

Far from being one-season wonders in the top flight, Burnley have continued to punch above their weight despite another summer of frugality. Due to being forced to sell Michael Keane and Andre Gray, Burnley made a profit of £15.2 million during the summer transfer window – only Arsenal and Swansea City made more money – yet unlike those clubs there is no sign of such player trading having a negative impact on results. Despite having had arguably the most difficult start to the season of any Premier League club Burnley sit seventh after eight matches, largely due to magnificent away performances in winning at Chelsea and Everton and drawing at Liverpool and Tottenham.

Burnley had the seventh best home record in the Premier League last season – they only won one away game in the entire campaign – and if they can regain that sense of indomitability at Turf Moor they should again survive with something to spare, which would be a formidable achievement.

Dyche is happy at Burnley and enjoys the control he is given over most aspects of the club, but there are limits to what even he can achieve there and there will come a time when other opportunities under employers with greater resources become attractive to him. The 46-year-old’s work ethic and high-pressing 4-4-2 system would be a perfect fit for a Leicester squad who used similar approach to lift the title 18 months ago, and must now regroup to stave off the threat of relegation.

Palace failed to even ask Dyche the question, and it would be remiss if Leicester made the same mistake.

[Lancasterclaret]

5 years of mind numbing football and scraping results, its gone on for long enough,

WTF?

No wonder people think you are a troll.

[Heaton's Gloves]

So a heavy defeat to Man City (top of the table free scoring Man City) and Dyche not commenting on press speculation (which it only is at the moment) and we will be relegated?

Read what i said in context. Obviously i expect nothing at City. But we are capable of putting in a shift and not leaking 5 goals. The squad will be unsettled and Sean needs to clear this up so we can move forward.

[Paul Waine]

Read what i said in context. Obviously i expect nothing at City. But we are capable of putting in a shift and not leaking 5 goals. The squad will be unsettled and Sean needs to clear this up so we can move forward.

Hi HG, don't you think that the conversations between the manager and the team will be separate from the club/manager and the media? I'm sure every game Burnley play Sean Dyche is looking to achieve and enhance his own reputation. Sean will know - all good managers will know - that a team that is "unsettled" won't help the team to achieve. And, if the team want Sean Dyche to stay at Burnley (of course, they do) isn't that the best preparation for a game against "free scoring" Man City?

I can't wait for Saturday afternoon.

Come on you Clarets!

[Rick_Muller]

from Paul Waine's post above...

Matt Hughes of the Times

Dyche is happy at Burnley and enjoys the control he is given over most aspects of the club, but there are limits to what even he can achieve there and there will come a time when other opportunities under employers with greater resources become attractive to him.

I see no massive "order of magnitude" real limits to what he can achieve with us - financially we're as strong as the other 13-14 other Premier League clubs because of the TV deals, if not stronger due to our clubs mentality and self imposed restrictions; what we have that the others don't have is Sean Dyche. That leaves a "top 6" club to come in for him, which is feasible should he stay and establish us as a top 10 team.

I have said before though, if he gets full control granted at any other club who have bigger pockets and Billionaire owners (which will only facilitate success quicker than what we have been able to do) then he may be off and couple that with location for him - Leicester may be appealing.

I'd like him to stay for a long time and create a great legacy for the club which would include succession planning and youth development - almost like the Liverpool of old, but if he chose to leave for Arsenal for example I would be happy for him and grateful for everything he has done for Burnley as a club and a community.

[Paul Waine]

I see no massive "order of magnitude" real limits to what he can achieve with us - financially we're as strong as the other 13-14 other Premier League clubs because of the TV deals, if not stronger due to our clubs mentality and self imposed restrictions; what we have that the others don't have is Sean Dyche. That leaves a "top 6" club to come in for him, which is feasible should he stay and establish us as a top 10 team.

I have said before though, if he gets full control granted at any other club who have bigger pockets and Billionaire owners (which will only facilitate success quicker than what we have been able to do) then he may be off and couple that with location for him - Leicester may be appealing.

I'd like him to stay for a long time and create a great legacy for the club which would include succession planning and youth development - almost like the Liverpool of old, but if he chose to leave for Arsenal for example I would be happy for him and grateful for everything he has done for Burnley as a club and a community.

Hi Rick, fully agree with you.

Of course, "Paul Waine" didn't write your quote above - I was "copy/pasting" Matt Hughes of the Times.

The challenge for any manager that has won himself a "stable situation" is how do you replicate that at a new club? It's got to be especially hard to do that at a club that has just sacked their existing manager - only a few months after confirming him in the (permanent) role.

[dermotdermot]

So I take that he’s off after all?

[BennyD]

It's starting to look like it, and their fans don't even want him. It's like giving strawberries to pigs.

[Blackrod]

5 years of mind numbing football and scraping results, its gone on for long enough, for all the great results the entertainment has been sacrificed. The atmosphere at the Turf has disappeared under Dyche and that says an awful lot about the style of play. Gone are the days of the place rocking under Coyle when Blake got the ball.


Its so boring and almost become a chore to turn up and support, we are absolutely garbage going forward, cant break a team down at all. I enjoy looking at the progress, I enjoy looking at the league table but for me to enjoy actually watching us play, Dyche has to go.

The big 6 are better than the rest but there's absolutely no reason why we have to play like we do against the rest. We wouldn't get outclassed against Swansea, Huddersfield and the rest if we opened up and we have proved it since Dyche has been here in spells. Swansea don't launch it and they didnt when they gained promotion, Wigan survived for nearly 10 years playing attractive football. Your idea of hoofball being our only hope is nonsense and has been proven nonsense on multiple occasions.

Horsesh*t again from KFCBRFC. Get down to Deadwood and stop fishing.

[Cubanclaret]

That article is the first time I've read anywhere that Dyche was definitely not interviewed for the Palace job.
Leicester are a club on a downward curve (inevitably), the challenge there is steadying the ship, pushing for the top half and an occasional tilt at Europa Cup and a decent run in the cups (Dyche cup record a black mark?) In terms of club size and budget they are in the next bracket up.
Their owners should recognise Dyche's discipline and mix and match style as a similar recipe to their success. Also his ability to mould a happy camp. If location really makes that much odds, it might be seen as a stepping stone worth taking. One point not to be taken lightly though, is the fans ******* hated him when we were challenging them in the championship. I think everyone in that part of the world hates anyone with Forest links. They're a nasty lot, plenty of aggression, and life will be very different for him if he doesn't hit the ground running.

[Blackrod]

Out team is still developing and we could do with Dyche completing this season at least. Someone else could quickly undo the hard work. The attraction of Leicester is it is closer to his family home. With Dyche at the helm I fancy us to finish above Leicester though. The amount of pressure and job security there will be similar to a very big club so he might as well wait for one to come along which they will at some point.

[watsonsclarets]

Not been funny but calm down nothing official has come out he's Burnley manager. Many think it a forgone conclusion

He may actually like being Burnley manager.

I have read the Leicester forum too who are they Barcelona? they too think they can cheery pick and talk about there great facilities.... (and they forget we have a new training ground).

Dyche moved our club forward 10 fold and he ain't finished.

Were Burnley and were 7th in the Premier League we may not be Barcelona but were certainly not Barnsley either...

Dyche will move on I hope it to a great club like ours not some plastic foreign owned syndicate.

[levraiclaret]

As I understand it, Leicester are after bringing in Fabio Pecchia and Rolando Maran as a "dream team" management duo. (If it helps, their current clubs are Hellas and Chievo. )

Nice one dsr, two gentlemen of Verona?

[gandhisflipflop]

Some people sound like they are just willing this to happen. Chill out.

[jlup1980]

One point not to be taken lightly though, is the fans ******* hated him when we were challenging them in the championship

This is something I thought myself when I first heard about the link. There was a bit of needle between Dyche and Pearson. Certainly enough to unsettle Pearson and make him say some ridiculous things pre and post games between our clubs. This rubbed off onto the fans at the time. Whether it'll still be there I don't know. I mean it's clear as day now that Pearson was an unsavoury prick whereas Dyche has maintained his dignity during his entire time with our club. Surely even the LCFC fans can see that!

For what it's worth I don't see Dyche leaving us at this point. We've started the season well and I actually think we'll get stronger once Marney and Wells are back in contention. Wells in particular will give us another dimension. He could achieve something rather special this season. Why risk that for joining a similar sized club mid season? If he wants to move on / up then surely he keeps his cards close to his chest at this point. If he plays them right he could be Everton manager by New Year!

[Rick_Muller]

If he plays them right he could be Everton manager by New Year!

Why the f#ck would he want to do that

[willsclarets]

Dyche will need time to instill the culture he requires, and the characters he knows that will adhere to it. It's the cornerstone of his success here, and fortunately he was given the time to cultivate it. Will he get that at Leicester a third of the way into a season? I'd be surprised.

I would've thought both because of his affection for Burnley and his continuing success here, he'd only leave at the end of a season. Plus, I think he needs at least a pre season to stand a fighting chance with a 'bigger' club in the premiership, who's supporters will see Dyche has having little pedigree. They'd soon lose patience.

[Firthy]

I don't think SD will be going anywhere this season. He's a superstar at Burnley and has much more say here than he would have at any other club. He's getting the recognition he deserves from pundits and fellow professionals and while not on the mega money of bigger clubs is financially comfortable.

I believe he is a man of honour and he won't forget that Burnley took a gamble and gave him his first big chance as a manager and stuck with him when we were relegated. He is creating a legacy at Burnley and hasn't finished the job yet and has an obvious bond with his players that he might not get at a new club. IMO he won't be giving all that up to take a volatile job at Leicester or Everton.

[BennyD]

For when he does go, I hope the club have put in an anti-poaching clause. I reckon the majority of the dressing room would follow him if he asked them.

[KRBFC]

Wigan??
You're on crack aren't you??

They finished 10th or lower in their 8 seasons in the PL and had 3 managers in that time.
They probably played their best football under Martinez but also got relegated with the fancy football but with Martinez in charge finished - 16, 16, 15 then finally 18th and relegated...

Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce didn't fare massively better, although Jewell got them their highest PL finish of 10th in their first season.
Now I don't remember much about his reign, but I can't see his football being better than Martinez's.

Would you like to find a better example?

Under Pulls Stoke usually finished somewhere just between 11th to 14th, whilst under Hughes with supposedly better football they can get to 9th, or 14th last season.
Hardly a massive improvement really.


West Ham showed last weekend that they can play route one and very good passing football and they're still just an average mid table side who've poured money into trying to finish higher.

Where did I say Wigan won the league? I said they survived playing attractive football which is all we are looking to do under Dyche.

[alwaysaclaret]

Panic over apparently, check Sean's tweet everybody.

[ClaretAndJew]

Dyche doesn't have twitter

[FactualFrank]

Coleman odds shortening.

[alwaysaclaret]

Dyche doesn't have twitter

Sorry check official Burnley fc twitter.

[FactualFrank]

[Sidney1st]

Where did I say Wigan won the league? I said they survived playing attractive football which is all we are looking to do under Dyche.

They didn't survive though, that's my point.

They last a few years of better football under Martinez before getting relegated.
They couldn't do the dirty stuff when required and had a relegation battle every season under Martinez.
Unless you're telling me they played pretty football under Bruce and Jewell?

[KRBFC]

They didn't survive though, that's my point.

They last a few years of better football under Martinez before getting relegated.
They couldn't do the dirty stuff when required and had a relegation battle every season under Martinez.
Unless you're telling me they played pretty football under Bruce and Jewell?

"they didn't survive though"

"they lasted a few years"

[UpTheBeehole]

Wigan had 8 consecutive PL seasons.

If we get half that we'd have done well.

[Sidney1st]

"they didn't survive though"

"they lasted a few years"

Which bit have you struggled with today?

Survival or lasting a few years?
If they'd survived they'd still be up here playing the good football.

As it was they only lasted a few years with the fancy football and got relegated as a result.

[Chip Harrison]

Why are we in meltdown about Sean leaving, then when it is confirmed he isn't (for the Foxes role anyway) does everyone pretend they were not concerned and ignore the great news.

SD is staying!!!! Whoppee!

[KRBFC]

Which bit have you struggled with today?

Survival or lasting a few years?
If they'd survived they'd still be up here playing the good football.

As it was they only lasted a few years with the fancy football and got relegated as a result.

8 years of PL football for a club like Wigan is pretty remarkable. They ultimately got relegated but so will we at some stage, they delayed the inevitable and clung on for 8 years. Just because they got relegated it doesn't mean they didn't survive the previous 8 seasons.

[hampsteadclaret]

Well it looks like Leicester City is ruled out then..great news.

I trust Dyche, and when he does leave I hope that it is at the end of a season, so that no-one gets messed around.

I will still worry a little though, if any of these clubs dump their manager in the next few months...

Arsenal
Everton
West Ham


- slightly less worried..

West Brom
Stoke


long shots...

Wolves
Aston Villa
[both interesting challenges]
** England [not a club].

[Winstonswhite]

He said he was flattered, but was unaware of any approach and that as far as he knew it was paper talk. He was concentrating on Saturdays game.

I hardly think that it's Leicester ruled out

[hampsteadclaret]

245...'well it looks like Leicester is ruled out then'..

- also..the only comment from Twitter, that I can see, [the one above] makes no mention of 'being flattered'.

Thanks though.

[Winstonswhite]

245...'well it looks like Leicester is ruled out then'..

- also..the only comment from Twitter, that I can see, [the one above] makes no mention of 'being flattered'.

Thanks though.

You haven't looked very hard then.

[ElectroClaret]

The tweet means nowt.

Just means they haven't approached the club yet.
A thousand managers have said the same about being focused on the job
just before they left. The position at Leicester remains vacant till it's filled.
(To state the obvious.)

[taio]

He has said he's flattered amongst other things that you'd normally expect. Nothing wrong with that. He'd be silly to rule out or say he's interested at this point. What will be will be.