SD is he afraid to move on?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:14 am

If SD wants to become a top manager this is the time to move on, the opportunity might never come again, or will his innate conservatism mean he sticks to what he knows.
If he's never prepared to take a gamble and find out if he can manage a top side then he'll for ever remain a good manager not a great one.
As with Keane his time has come to test himself.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:16 am

not if he reads this messageboard!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:19 am

It's a real quandary.

Imagine never moving on, spending day after day doing the same thing, never progressing, never challenging yourself. Just regurgitating the day before and the day before that and the day before that. Never moving on.

Imagine that abc, can you just imagine that?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:19 am

If you read ablueclarets posts with the voice of Gollum, they are so much better.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:23 am

Are you really Saxotroll in disguise?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:26 am

Hopefully

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:27 am

Dyche knows that to leave Burnley now will relegate us and unravel a lot he has achieved, not least because his whole back room team would go with him. He would also be leaving a squad he has personally invested so much in and would be heartbroken.

I hope and believe he will only leave between seasons which would give the club and himself more time to be successful after his departure.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:27 am

ablueclaret wrote:If SD wants to become a top manager this is the time to move on, the opportunity might never come again, or will his innate conservatism mean he sticks to what he knows.
If he's never prepared to take a gamble and find out if he can manage a top side then he'll for ever remain a good manager not a great one.
As with Keane his time has come to test himself.

He is a top manager managing a top side ?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:29 am

Just what is the benchmark for being a 'Top Manager'?

Winning the Premier League?
Winning the FA or League Cup?
Winning the Champions League?
Winning a European League of good standing (Italy, Germany or Spain)?
Winning the World Cup or Euro Championship?

He was sacked by Watford for delivering a finishing position above what they had achieved in recent times.

What will Everton or Leicester demand?

He is aware of the pitfalls of trying to achieve unreasonable targets for impatient owners, would he risk it again and potentially end up labelled as another (albeit richer) failure?

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:31 am

An utterly ridiculous post by an attention seeking individual who knows absolutely nothing about Sean dyche ,his aspirations, his long term goals, his commitments, his family circumstances,.what right have you to advise someone like Sean ? What do you actually know about football or ambition.? Sean is already very successful wealthy and admired. He has nothing to prove and certainly not to the likes of you!!

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:31 am

He's only 45 years old with plenty of time on his side.
Unless you've come through the ranks at Barcelona like Guidiola then not many young managers get the top jobs.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:38 am

We all have aspirations and many of us have the difficult task of weighing up the pro's and con's of new opportunities as and when they present themselves.

There is always some trepidation about changing job, as no two jobs are ever the same. Aspects that Sean enjoy's at Burnley may not be on offer elsewhere.

I'm sure we've all had the chance to move onto a better paid jobs in the past, but if all the other pieces don't quite fit then the money alone rarely compensates for that.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:52 am

Am I missing something, He needs to be offered a job first. He cant just turn up at Everton first thing tomorrow morning put a picture of the wife and kids on the desk in the managers office and then crack on.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:58 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Am I missing something, He needs to be offered a job first. He cant just turn up at Everton first thing tomorrow morning put a picture of the wife and kids on the desk in the managers office and then crack on.

You say that, but if he did would you dare to tell him otherwise?

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:03 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Am I missing something, He needs to be offered a job first. He cant just turn up at Everton first thing tomorrow morning put a picture of the wife and kids on the desk in the managers office and then crack on.

Shows a proactive approach!

I'd be the last person to argue if Sean came to my work and announced he was running the show.

in fact he's probably return the company to profitability!

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:04 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:You say that, but if he did would you dare to tell him otherwise?

No, I'd get ABC to tell him !

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:25 am

When Sean eventually leaves, Ablue will be posting threads like 'Sean was our best manager ever', 'Why didn't Sean stay?', 'Can we attract Sean back?'....

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:31 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:No, I'd get ABC to tell him !

Question is would ABC be prepared to hang up his KKK whites, deflate his wife, leave the allotment and venture up the M6 to do it?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:40 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Am I missing something, He needs to be offered a job first. He cant just turn up at Everton first thing tomorrow morning put a picture of the wife and kids on the desk in the managers office and then crack on.

Odemwingie tried it a few years back one transfer window, so why can't Dyche?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:08 pm

if a foreign manager comes to manage in the prem, they often come with a 2 or 3 year timescale in mind. They often plan to do a good , usually expensive job, to improve their CV and off they pop to the continent. English managers tend to take a long term view and they often want to build a club from the bottom to top and create legacy, often having being aware of the particular traditions and history of the club. Even having previous links with the club. Koemann will probably have a number of offers from various clubs in various countries. Despite his tenure at Goodison being unsuccessful.

Sean Dyche has to consider that if it doesnt go well at Everton. He wont be given much loyalty by an Everton board, compared to ours. But more importantly he wont have the option of going abroad........

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:11 pm

Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

CanuckClaret · Post by **CanuckClaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

Are you Sherwood in disguise? Pr...

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:24 pm

The only people trying to pimp themselves out are the negative posters and trolls on this message board posting nonsense just trying to get some sort of reaction.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

Not "EVERY job."

He wasnt linked with your club's, Blackburn, many managerial vacancies recently. Not once! He has standards.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

Do you ever have a day off?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

The man has been slagged off on here for not making his position clear now you troll up and say he is pimping himself out.
**** OFF.
He's getting on with his job and preparing the team for Monday night.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:42 pm

I just love to laugh at the posts of ABC and KBRFC!

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:46 pm

[quote="RingoMcCartney"]if a foreign manager comes to manage in the prem, they often come with a 2 or 3 year timescale in mind. They often plan to do a good , usually expensive job, to improve their CV and off they pop to the continent. English managers tend to take a long term view and they often want to build a club from the bottom to top and create legacy, often having being aware of the particular traditions and history of the club. Even having previous links with the club.

I'm not sure Arry Redknapp fits in with the above profile. But I get your point.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:51 pm

Transpennine wrote:

Aye! Fair enough!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:55 pm

Transpennine wrote:I'm not sure Arry Redknapp fits in with the above profile. But I get your point.

Or Arsene Wenger.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:17 pm

SD isn't afraid he is pragmatic. Any offer on the table has to be right before he'll consider it. That means remuneration, objectives & goals, responsibilities, control & trust. If one of these factors doesn't meet the criteria Sean has for him to consider a new job, then why leave the job he currently has & is happy in?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:21 pm

Don’t feed the troll.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:Dyche is trying to pimp himself out but nobody will take him, being linked in the media to every job yet is offered no job.

Explain exactly how Dyche is trying to pimp himself out - with quotes please.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:38 pm

"IMA MEGAZ PIMP MAN, FUCKIN HIRE ME BRO!" Sean Dyche October '17

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:45 pm

He's been at them cabbages again.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:48 pm

FamilyCat

Post of the season so far !! Made me laugh out loud at work.

Thank you.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:57 pm

Brilliant reply clansman. I agree wholeheartedly.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:05 pm

Braindead wrote:Explain exactly how Dyche is trying to pimp himself out - with quotes please.

Because he’s never got over the fact Dyche shunned him for an autograph once.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:19 pm

"the time to move on, the opportunity might never come again,"
- do you ever read back your own posts a blue? Football management has a huge turnover of jobs especially in the prem. and this board is always flooded with posts about SD taking one.
If another opportunity doesn't occur in the next 8 months I'll come on here and hail you as an astute commentator rather than someone who has a compulsion to post drivel on here at every opportunity.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:32 pm

Always leave when you are at the top of your game.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:43 pm

Leisure wrote:I just love to laugh at the posts of ABC and KBRFC!

Same poster isn’t it?!

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:45 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Always leave when you are at the top of your game.

That's you here for ******* ever then...

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:53 pm

piston broke wrote:The man has been slagged off on here for not making his position clear now you troll up and say he is pimping himself out.
**** OFF.
He's getting on with his job and preparing the team for Monday night.

I don't doubt he's preparing the team, every interview just seems like a ''come and get me'' which is completely fine but i'd rather he came out publicly and said he was interested when asked. I'd rather he was honest instead of the same lines everytime a job becomes available.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't doubt he's preparing the team, every interview just seems like a ''come and get me'' which is completely fine but i'd rather he came out publicly and said he was interested when asked. I'd rather he was honest instead of the same lines everytime a job becomes available.

Please can you supply examples of 'come and get me'?

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't doubt he's preparing the team, every interview just seems like a ''come and get me'' which is completely fine but i'd rather he came out publicly and said he was interested when asked. I'd rather he was honest instead of the same lines everytime a job becomes available.

He has been unequivocally consistent from day one about his future at the club and not changed that at any point since then. So are you suggesting he has been giving "come and get me" messages throughout the last 5 years?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:20 pm

taio wrote:He has been unequivocally consistent from day one about his future at the club and not changed that at any point since then. So are you suggesting he has been giving "come and get me" messages throughout the last 5 years?

No but its certainly never black or white with him, fans wouldn't begrudge him a move to Everton so whats with all the fence sitting and trying to say the right thing.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:No but its certainly never black or white with him, fans wouldn't begrudge him a move to Everton so whats with all the fence sitting and trying to say the right thing.

There's no fence to sit on. If he hasn't been offered the Everton job (or any other for that matter) that's end of story.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:28 pm

Leisure wrote:There's no fence to sit on. If he hasn't been offered the Everton job (or any other for that matter) that's end of story.

He's very good at avoiding questions, when asked if he's interested in a job, he wont answer it honestly.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:He's very good at avoiding questions, when asked if he's interested in a job, he wont answer it honestly.

He does not have to answer at all because it is his business and his alone, perhaps they should stop asking the question.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:He's very good at avoiding questions, when asked if he's interested in a job, he wont answer it honestly.

Because it only becomes a relevant question if he's offered the job!

PS - How do you know that he's not answering the hypothetical question honestly?