Everton move for Dyche

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:23 pm

Kevwando wrote:Sky sources: Sam Allardyce has held talks with Everton majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri about vacant manager position.

The same Sky sources who claimed Everton were going to approach SD a week ago?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:31 pm

Kevwando wrote:Sky sources: Sam Allardyce has held talks with Everton majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri about vacant manager position.

I wonder if they talked about BBC Panarama...?

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:38 pm

On Alan Brown, I did say he was just a possible exception, largely on the basis of having got to an FA Cup final with Sheffield Weds, which was a much bigger deal in terms of reputation in the 1960s than it I said now. I was trying to be generous! Cliff Britton was definitely not considered a success at Everton.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:54 pm

Never have I thought the best Manager we have ever had will leave to go to Everton. However, because he is a man of integrity my only thought would be during the international break he will be working to help appoint his successor and have all in place ready to step in after his departure.

It's me completely over thinking things.

He's not going, BFS will get that gig but when the gaffer does move on I sincerely hope and bet that he will be involved with the next appointment.

My hope it will be from within, in 5 years time and will be Mr Duff.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:30 pm

Kevwando wrote:Sky sources: Sam Allardyce has held talks with Everton majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri about vacant manager position.

I have heard today, allegedly from a source within Everton, that Sean Dyche was at Goodison Park twice last week. I can’t vouch for the legitimacy of the source, but I always think in these situations it is reasonable to expect that a club will want to speak to more than one candidate. I don’t think that “holding talks” necessarily means someone is definitely getting the job.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:31 pm

scouseclaret wrote:I have heard today, allegedly from a source within Everton, that Sean Dyche was at Goodison Park twice last week. I can’t vouch for the legitimacy of the source, but I always think in these situations it is reasonable to expect that a club will want to speak to more than one candidate. I don’t think that “holding talks” necessarily means someone is definitely getting the job.

Whether he’s spoken to Everton or not there’s not a cat in hells chance it’d be at Goodison.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:41 pm

martin_p wrote:Whether he’s spoken to Everton or not there’s not a car in hells chance it’d be at Goodison.

Heard talks took place on the road outside the main entrance at Goodison.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:42 pm

BFS 1/7 with Paddy Power and Betfair, Betfair exchange has him at 4/6

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:44 pm

With cctv,everyman and his dog with camera phones.,journalists hanging around etc i dont believe for one minute Dyche was at Goodison.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:52 pm

I heard that he was at Goodison last week.

He was there because he'd had Michael Keane on the phone in floods of tears, begging him to come and show him how to defend again.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:52 pm

Whatever has happened over the last couple of days, BFS has become well favourite in the betting (although SD is 2nd favourite, he's at significantly longer odds).
I know these things change but SD, whilst being favourite for a while, wasn't ever odds on like this. From oddschecker:
SkyBet- BFS 1/5, SD 4/1
Ladbrokes - BFS 1/3, SD 9/4
W Hills - BFS 1/3, SD 5/2
Betfair = PaddyPower - 1/7, 3/1
etc etc.

If Everton are looking for a "save us this season" appointment, this is their best move I think. Longer term may be different for a club that likes to see itself as "school of science".
It'll cost them a fair few £million (incl compo for CP that would be owed by BFS) but worthwhile to maximise probability of staying in The Prem.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:38 pm

Tall Paul seems to have gone a little quiet on this one. Any more information from his ‘sources’?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:41 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Tall Paul seems to have gone a little quiet on this one. Any more information from his ‘sources’.

You must have missed my post #491.

For what it's worth, I did say that they'd met with Allardyce early last week, before it was in the papers.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:45 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I've just been told that Everton are going to offer SD a three and a half year contract in the next few days.

That is what you said on post 351.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:51 pm

If you keep repeating it suppose there is a small chance it will happen!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:56 pm

dermotdermot wrote:That is what you said on post 351.

I know, there were obviously further developments, as I said on post 491. It's not that complicated.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:10 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I know, there were obviously further developments, as I said on post 491. It's not that complicated.

It's a bit more complicated than you think. If you say "Everton will offer Dyche a contract", and they don't, then it doesn't necessarily mean there were further developments. There is also the possibility, faint though it may be, that you were wrong. Let's face it, you wouldn't be the only person who has made statements about the Everton manager's job who has got it wrong, would you?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:26 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I know, there were obviously further developments, as I said on post 491. It's not that complicated.

You certainly are a card, sir!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:29 pm

dsr wrote:It's a bit more complicated than you think. If you say "Everton will offer Dyche a contract", and they don't, then it doesn't necessarily mean there were further developments. There is also the possibility, faint though it may be, that you were wrong. Let's face it, you wouldn't be the only person who has made statements about the Everton manager's job who has got it wrong, would you?

I wasn't wrong because what I said was 100% true.

My source may have been wrong, he may not have been. Everton might still offer him a contract. Everton might have already offered him a contract and he turned them down, which is why they've gone back to Fat Sam.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I wasn't wrong because what I said was 100% true.

My source may have been wrong, he may not have been. Everton might still offer him a contract. Everton might have already offered him a contract and he turned them down, which is why they've gone back to Fat Sam.

If you want to be technical about it, then what you said was 100% true and 100% useless. Passing on what you have been told while disclaiming all responsibility for its accuracy makes the post meaningless - you could have been told it by a drunk mate and you knew it to be false for all we know. Posting that sort of thing the way you did it implicitly means that you're willing to put your name ot the belief that it's true; and it probably wasn't.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:46 pm

dsr wrote:If you want to be technical about it, then what you said was 100% true and 100% useless. Passing on what you have been told while disclaiming all responsibility for its accuracy makes the post meaningless - you could have been told it by a drunk mate and you knew it to be false for all we know. Posting that sort of thing the way you did it implicitly means that you're willing to put your name ot the belief that it's true; and it probably wasn't.

I don't disclaim anything.

I still believe it was true that they had made the decision to offer SD the job at the time and, as I said, the situation has since changed. The reliability of the source has been proven to me numerous times with Koeman, Keane and now that they were speaking to BFS. I'll keep any more info to myself in future

I suppose we're all believing Sky Sources now that they're saying what we want? They were dismissed out of hand last week.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:49 pm

‘I’lI keep any more information to myself in future’.

Cross your heart and hope to die?

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:05 am

It's my opinion
That Everton never had any interest in Dyche at all
And it was his agent
Dyche being the good guy saying I'm getting on with my job
But Mr Agent bigging him up.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:04 am

"" There is also the possibility, faint though it may be, that you were wrong. ""

There's a much less faint possibility that he's a bullsh*tter talking ouf his rear end....and he's one of many.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:09 am

SD didn't fit the Everton style, but he would have been good for them over the long term.

Think his only hope of breaking into the top echelon is with Liverpool who desire success more than just entertainment.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:16 am

Tall Story Paul perhaps?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:30 am

BFS has denied talking to Everton

Whether or not that means his representatives or himself directly isn't clear, but he's got a busy week of stuff planned that doesn't involve Everton

I do wonder where Everton are going with this though. Surely they need someone in asap now?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:35 am

Unless they are giving Unsworth the reins up till January,the result last week gives them some breathing space,you would imagine they would like a decision during the International break games come thick and thin after that.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:51 am

So this isn’t done and dusted then?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:07 am

Latest from Alan Nixon:

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:15 am

Breaking news

Rovers fans can't spell "whats"

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:45 am

Allardyce continuing to say there has been no contact with Everton

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:50 am

with dyche situation it can only really have gone two ways in my view.
Either he wasn't approached and he was right in saying it was "your story" to any questions from media, or...he was approached , has held talks but it was not to his or their liking.

if the latter is the case it means he remains here for the time being, BUT he was thinking about it, he was prepared to discuss a move away, that in itself is quite telling. In other words, the mere fact he would open talks with another club shows there is an issue at Burnley he isn't happy about.

Big sam said everton havent spoken to him when asked this morning, so it seems odd that the two main candidates most folk think were in the frame, havent been spoken too for the vacancy ????

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:52 am

Of course BFS been talking to them. It was written all over his face on MOTD on Saturday. He's not going to come out and say he has been whilst he's negotiating terms.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:57 am

Dyched wrote:Of course BFS been talking to them. It was written all over his face on MOTD on Saturday. He's not going to come out and say he has been whilst he's negotiating terms.

Very much got the same impression.
Like he already knew it was sorted.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Allardyce continuing to say there has been no contact with Everton

But, if BFS said it was Tuesday 7th November 2017, you'd still check the calendar

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:07 pm

Dyched wrote:Of course BFS been talking to them. It was written all over his face on MOTD on Saturday. He's not going to come out and say he has been whilst he's negotiating terms.

yes, i ******* realise they have been in talks !! my point is the constant denials and borderline lies show there's little respect for supporters

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:07 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Very much got the same impression.
Like he already knew it was sorted.

BFS on Motd couldn't have made it more obvious he had had talks, the thing that got me was he said he was enjoying time at home and I think he said he was happy doing that, so I think that was a mention to Everton that it will take a very large wedge and contract to get him back to work, I don't believe SD was ever in the running, I think they are more leaning especially towards Silva or the guy at Wolves who could bring the Portugese player manager into the equation as well.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:15 pm

My take on all this.

Dyche - Is happy at Burnley, but his representitives have been putting feelers out over the media, both to raise the profile of their client and with the potential for Everton to come calling with a concrete offer.

BFS - Has had talks with Everton, but would like a longer contract than what is on the table.

Everton - Are currently mulling over whether they can get by with a temp appointment till the end of the season, so they can then snare a more beneficial target in the summer (Marco Silva?)

The biggest unanswered question is whether Dyche ever had any kind of offer from Everton at any stage.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:18 pm

Ric_C wrote: The biggest unanswered question is whether Dyche ever had any kind of offer from Everton at any stage.

According to some, his agent has, but I live in a bubble so I don't know anything.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Allardyce continuing to say there has been no contact with Everton

Maybe not personally. But has his agent been in contact with Everton, after being in contact with the fat headed open mouthed chewing gum troll? That way BFS can honestly say he has had no contact with Everton.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:24 pm

Where's tall paul's mate when you need him?

3.5 yrs deal back on the table for dyche even though nothing else out there has said otherwise?

My sources (nothing concrete) is that BFS was interviewed last week and was putting his backroom staff together yesterday.

As Nixon says, everton not interested in dyche.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:24 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:yes, i ******* realise they have been in talks !! my point is the constant denials and borderline lies show there's little respect for supporters

Calm down old boy.

He's not going to say he's in negotiations to the press before it's done or he's going to make himself look a plank if he doesn't get the job.

Enjoy your day

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:25 pm

Breaking news

Rovers fans can't spell "whats"

Unless I'm being whooshed, neither can you!

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:with dyche situation it can only really have gone two ways in my view.
Either he wasn't approached and he was right in saying it was "your story" to any questions from media, or...he was approached , has held talks but it was not to his or their liking.

if the latter is the case it means he remains here for the time being, BUT he was thinking about it, he was prepared to discuss a move away, that in itself is quite telling. In other words, the mere fact he would open talks with another club shows there is an issue at Burnley he isn't happy about.

Big sam said everton havent spoken to him when asked this morning, so it seems odd that the two main candidates most folk think were in the frame, havent been spoken too for the vacancy ????

Or he's ambitious and looking to take a step up to progress his career if it becomes available, while continuing to be happy at Burnley should the opportunity not manifest for whatever reason.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:31 pm

Moyes said on Sunday, 'that there had been no contact from West Ham", yet what was said on MoD on Sat proved to be correct within 2 days regarding his appointment.

I assume he did not what to say anymore because Bilic was still in a job, but it was a clear lie.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:50 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:with dyche situation it can only really have gone two ways in my view.
Either he wasn't approached and he was right in saying it was "your story" to any questions from media, or...he was approached , has held talks but it was not to his or their liking.

if the latter is the case it means he remains here for the time being, BUT he was thinking about it, he was prepared to discuss a move away, that in itself is quite telling. In other words, the mere fact he would open talks with another club shows there is an issue at Burnley he isn't happy about.

Big sam said everton havent spoken to him when asked this morning, so it seems odd that the two main candidates most folk think were in the frame, havent been spoken too for the vacancy ????

I think it’s blatantly obvious that Dyche is not happy about how we perform in transfer windows. We’re in the position we are now wholly because of Dyche IMO. It has nothing to do with the board.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:38 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:In other words, the mere fact he would open talks with another club shows there is an issue at Burnley he isn't happy about

Doesn't at all - if indeed he has opened up talks with another club it probably shows he is ambitious and knows he has to move on at some point.

Winstonswhite wrote:I think it’s blatantly obvious that Dyche is not happy about how we perform in transfer windows. We’re in the position we are now wholly because of Dyche IMO. It has nothing to do with the board.

I don't think it is obvious at all and given how big a part he plays in those windows I'd say he's very happy with how we perform in them.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:59 pm

More great news. Everton owner wants Simeone!

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... w-managers

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:03 pm

IanMcL wrote:More great news. Everton owner wants Simeone!

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... w-managers

The better news is that Sean Dyche isn't one of the four mentioned!