Sean Dyche overlooked

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:16 pm

Everton news: Sam Allardyce negotiating deal to become new manager, Sean Dyche overlooked
SAM ALLARDYCE is in talks with Everton to become their new manager.

Allardyce is one of the frontrunners to get the job full time after Ronald Koeman was sacked.

Former England boss Allardyce is said to have spoken to Everton majority shareholder Farad Moshiri about the vacancy.

The revelation comes as ex-Everton manager David Moyes flies to London to take up the West Ham job.

Everton have been seeking a manager since sacking Dutchman Koeman earlier this season.

Burnley boss Sean Dyche is another option for the Toffees, although the Clarets would likely demand a hefty compensation fee to let him go.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:20 pm

Not overlooked..just not interested...

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:23 pm

If that's true then it's great news.

Six fingers · Post by **Six fingers** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:29 pm

I hope Sam is not there to keep them up and then we lose dyche in the summer

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:30 pm

Without Claret specs on, BFS is a better option than Dyche.

I think Dyche was interested and I think he'd have accepted it had it been offered, going off what he's said when questioned.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:36 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Without Claret specs on, BFS is a better option than Dyche.

Same.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:40 pm

Gnulty wrote:Not overlooked..just not interested...

He is interested in a club with more finances.

I was told he thought he was close to getting the palace job, he would have taken the Everton job, poor SD looks like he will just have to get little old Burnley into Europe.

I do genuinely feel for British managers, they are just not going to get the very top jobs in English prem footy. Unless like BFS your picked to do a specific job i.e. Keep them up after years of proving you can do that.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:41 pm

Has Bilic officially been sacked from West Ham?

Grimsdale · Post by **Grimsdale** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:42 pm

If it is Sam (which is looking more and more likely now) I'd be surprised if he took the job until the end of the season, he would be looking at a much longer contract.

At least we can all rest easy now for the next couple of weeks until Pulis gets the boot and we're all checking google maps for the distance between Kettering and The Hawthorns.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:Has Bilic officially been sacked from West Ham?

That's what's being reported.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:43 pm

Six fingers...close, maybe a cigar...?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:45 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:He is interested in a club with more finances.

I was told he thought he was close to getting the palace job, he would have taken the Everton job, poor SD looks like he will just have to get little old Burnley into Europe.

I do genuinely feel for British managers, they are just not going to get the very top jobs in English prem footy. Unless like BFS your picked to do a specific job i.e. Keep them up after years of proving you can do that.

He's made the club a lot of money. Perhaps the board should give him a large amount of funds to allow him to get some success with us.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Without Claret specs on, BFS is a better option than Dyche.

I think Dyche was interested and I think he'd have accepted it had it been offered, going off what he's said when questioned.

What did he say to make you think that ?

I never heard anything from SD other than there was nothing to answer and he was just getting on with his job at Burnley.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:He is interested in a club with more finances.

I was told he thought he was close to getting the palace job, he would have taken the Everton job, poor SD looks like he will just have to get little old Burnley into Europe.

I do genuinely feel for British managers, they are just not going to get the very top jobs in English prem footy. Unless like BFS your picked to do a specific job i.e. Keep them up after years of proving you can do that.

To be fair Allardyce only took over Bolton when he was 45 after a few years scratching around before guiding them to European stage. Dyche needs to do the same.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:49 pm

Our Sean is a one club man now along with Sir Alex ferguson and,Arsen Wenger. With a good salary,job satisfaction and a great rapport with the fans and players.Id guess he's content and happy with his job family and life in general.what does he need someone's ego driven plaything for?.sean dyche will never be overlooked.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:He's made the club a lot of money. Perhaps the board should give him a large amount of funds to allow him to get some success with us.

I agree, and want him to stay.

What do we think we are in profit by, is it 20, 30 or maybe 50 million or more.

Whilst we need to continue to be prudent, surely he can be given more funds.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:53 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:To be fair Allardyce only took over Bolton when he was 45 after a few years scratching around before guiding them to European stage. Dyche needs to do the same.

I agree with this too.

I also think he is capable of doing it with Burnley

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:56 pm

Wrong time for dyche. If he has been overlooked, it's done him a favour IMO. Needs to try and achieve with Burnley first, and as said elsewhere, Sam did it with Bolton, so I'm reasonably confident Dyche can with Burnley, as I believe he's destined to become a better and more successful manager.

What Dyche done now? 5 years? Sam did 8 with Bolton, so I reckon 3 more years at turf moor isn't unrealistic.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I agree with this too.

I also think he is capable of doing it with Burnley

I see no reason why he can’t either. If we have 30 points on the board by New Year (which isn’t unrealistic) we should easily be able to support him in the window given we were one of only 4 clubs to make a net profit during the Summer. It will also be a million times easier to sign players who will be guaranteed Premier League football for at least another 18 months.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:06 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I agree, and want him to stay.

What do we think we are in profit by, is it 20, 30 or maybe 50 million or more.

Whilst we need to continue to be prudent, surely he can be given more funds.

What's this season likely to be worth (assuming we don't go down

) £200million, plus?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:13 pm

The sensible option would be BFS plus their manager for next season having some input in decisions beyond this season.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:13 pm

" given we were one of only 4 clubs to make a net profit during the Summer."

Which summer are you referring to, Winston?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:15 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: Burnley boss Sean Dyche is another option for the Toffees, although the Clarets would likely demand a hefty compensation fee to let him go.

Yes about 10 times what they paid for Keane.

'Hefty'

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:15 pm

Surely the question of funds at Burnley is, firstly, the wage cap, and secondly not so much funds available as finding the right type of player that fits all of Dyche's requirements. I would think the options are very limited.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 pm

He has made the club a lot of money which has been spent and will continue to be spent.
Not sure there will be much left at the end of the season beyond what is already earmarked for wages etc.
That is the nature of things unless you support a club with bottomless pit eg Chelsea or a "Blackpool" where apparently the owners really run it as a profit making organisation for themselves

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:19 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:" given we were one of only 4 clubs to make a net profit during the Summer."

Which summer are you referring to, Winston?

This summer.

I’m on about transfer spendings not total spend

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:23 pm

Six fingers wrote:I hope Sam is not there to keep them up and then we lose dyche in the summer

I think BFS is a short term option. Just as Moyes is on a short term deal at West Ham. I bet the Everton owner has his sights set much higher than Sam, and Sean for that matter.

Sean could end up at West Ham in Summer, but if so he'd go with mountains of gratitude and leave us in a fantastic shape for someone to take on. Maybe even Slaven Bilic.

All wild speculation of course

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:27 pm

Let's all be grateful that he's still here and stop trying to find him somewhere else.

He must find all this shoite about him going here, there, everywhere, a bit of a joke.

Now calm down and put t'kettle on

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:What did he say to make you think that ?

I never heard anything from SD other than there was nothing to answer and he was just getting on with his job at Burnley.

It's down to interpretation. I remember reading what he said and thinking it came across to me that he was interested, but at the same time not coming out and saying he wanted to leave. It's just the way I saw it. I'd need to go back and find the exact print, but it'll have to be tomorrow as I can't be arsed searching. I think it was something along the lines of, "I'm not saying I'm interested or not interested" - like I say, it's how you interpret things.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:29 pm

"What's this season likely to be worth (assuming we don't go down

) £200million, plus?"

Assume you're talking about Income boatshed bill?.......If so, around £125million, similar to last season.

From '19/'20, if we're still in the Prem, nearer to £150million.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It's down to interpretation. I remember reading what he said and thinking it came across to me that he was interested, but at the same time not coming out and saying he wanted to leave. It's just the way I saw it. I'd need to go back and find the exact print, but it'll have to be tomorrow as I can't be arsed searching. I think it was something along the lines of, "I'm not saying I'm interested or not interested" - like I say, it's how you interpret things.

To be fair, he'd be daft not to look at any chance of improving his career.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:33 pm

mdd2 wrote:He has made the club a lot of money which has been spent and will continue to be spent.
Not sure there will be much left at the end of the season beyond what is already earmarked for wages etc.
That is the nature of things unless you support a club with bottomless pit eg Chelsea or a "Blackpool" where apparently the owners really run it as a profit making organisation for themselves

Unless we spend a fortune in January, there should be a huge amount left over.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:38 pm

A realistic Net Profit for this current financial year might be £40million, again very similar to last season.

So important that we're still around in the Prem from the season after next when the new TV rights deal kicks in.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:41 pm

One season at a time Royboy

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:42 pm

Strange that you are allowed to post this thread push when mine was deemed too dangerous.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:43 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:A realistic Net Profit for this current financial year might be £40million, again very similar to last season.

So important that we're still around in the Prem from the season after next when the new TV rights deal kicks in.

And a £40m playing staff upgrade would make us awesome.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:43 pm

If I remember it's something like.
£100 million for being bottom of the league.
Then is it 4 million for each place higher, or have I exaggerated that figure.

So 10 th could be £140 million plus the profit we made on transfers.

Surely that means SD should have a tidy sum to get one or two players in who improve us.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:45 pm

Jeez the maremounting vagrants will be will be sobbing into their cold pot noodles tonight. Good.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:47 pm

DCWat wrote:Unless we spend a fortune in January, there should be a huge amount left over.

I know we are in surplus or break even on transfer monies but it is the salaries that eat away at that dry powder.
What's your guess that the annual wage bill is for the 23 in the squad?
£20k/week is about £25million plus NI and if they are on £40k that is easily half the funds gone- so I don't see a big dry powder store but maybe someone can do a better spreadsheet of the running costs of the club

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:47 pm

"One season at a time Royboy "

Absolutely DCWat, but there's already talk of a similar TV rights increase from '19/'20 to the previous deal. That would represent an increase in TV revenue of around 50% giving us a total Income for that year of some £150million.

Our problem is that matchday receipts remain relatively low at say £14million, compared to Arsenal's £120million.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:52 pm

How are we doing in comparison with Arsenal points wise?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:53 pm

boatshed bill wrote:To be fair, he'd be daft not to look at any chance of improving his career.

He's been improving his career for the past five years with Burnley? He's not as daft as you think "to be fair"

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:55 pm

The club must be worth a lot more now, with all the recent developments, could BFC attract some investment?
(Not enough for a new owner, perhaps a big share-holder?)

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:56 pm

Point taken Culmclaret (in fact 19 points!), but the difference in matchday receipts allows them to sustain a transfer budget way in excess of ours.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:57 pm

Maybe he has, I hope so. I thought BFS's body language and the way he avoided Lineakers question about Sean told us all that he had already been interviewed for the job. Slimey BFS

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:59 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"One season at a time Royboy "

Absolutely DCWat, but there's already talk of a similar TV rights increase from '19/'20 to the previous deal. That would represent an increase in TV revenue of around 50% giving us a total Income for that year of some £150million.

Our problem is that matchday receipts remain relatively low at say £14million, compared to Arsenal's £120million.

Quite. We will always have that imbalance by nature of size and location. Do you know how we compare to the likes of Stoke and Swansea?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:00 pm

tim_noone wrote:He's been improving his career for the past five years with Burnley? He's not as daft as you think "to be fair"

The last thing I would describe SD as is daft.
I'm sure his finger, or that of his representatives, is on the pulse of any opportunities that may arise.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:00 pm

"The club must be worth a lot more now, with all the recent developments, could BFC attract some investment?
(Not enough for a new owner, perhaps a big share-holder?)"

I've said on here before that the next stage for us is to attract an additional element of investment, if for nothing else than to enable us to increase our Wage bill in line with similar clubs.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:00 pm

mdd2 wrote:I know we are in surplus or break even on transfer monies but it is the salaries that eat away at that dry powder.
What's your guess that the annual wage bill is for the 23 in the squad?
£20k/week is about £25million plus NI and if they are on £40k that is easily half the funds gone- so I don't see a big dry powder store but maybe someone can do a better spreadsheet of the running costs of the club

I can’t see our wage bill exceeding £40-£50m. That leaves a significant sum left over. It’s a valid point though, wages are the strangler, if we are not careful.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:04 pm

10th last season were WBA and got about £120million and we got about £107 million for 16th