Martin O’Neill

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:27 pm

4/9 on to be Everton manager....

Where has that come from?

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:28 pm

A welcome relief lol

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:30 pm

1] ROI are out.

2] He's a good manager

3] They are desperate [though a BIG club].

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:32 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:1] ROI are out.

2] He's a good manager

3] They are desperate [though a BIG club].

Agreed on a good manager (well, a long while ago at club level now) but Everton’s scattergun approach must be worrying their fans. Question marks over the owner already for me, regardless of investment.

I am delighted but absolutely stunned they never so much as courted/made a call for Sean. Utterly mental - also beautiful. That job for me was his, I am gobsmacked.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:34 pm

No chance, he knows which side his bread's buttered.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:40 pm

About the 4th bloke to be odds-on for it so far. Don't think we're out of the woods yet.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:44 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:They are desperate [though a BIG club].

They think they are a big club but they have a clueless owner, which makes them just a club with a dilapidated stadium and largish fan base.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:51 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:About the 4th bloke to be odds-on for it so far. Don't think we're out of the woods yet.

Exactly! I for one will be glad when this farce is over.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:53 pm

I was worried when Koeman first left, but now?

SD isn't daft, he knows he's not first, second, third, fourth or even fifth choice and he knows the benefit of a pre-season and harmony between board, fans and team.

And that last five minutes from Everton last night was abysmal with a lot of players just giving up.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:57 pm

Some folk are actually still worried about Dyche going to Everton?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:02 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:About the 4th bloke to be odds-on for it so far. Don't think we're out of the woods yet.

Far from out of the woods

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Far from out of the woods

You just want folk to carry on talking about a football related topic instead of the many sh1te left right left threads on here.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:12 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You just want folk to carry on talking about a football related topic instead of the many sh1te left right left threads on here.

No, I just don't think we are out of the woods and am still concerned Everton might come calling.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:14 pm

Dyche was odds on a while ago, Allardyce has been, so have Unsworth and Silva. O'Neill is now while Rangnik and van Gaal got close.

Watch for the next one coming in on the betting - Andre Villas-Boas.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, I just don't think we are out of the woods and am still concerned Everton might come calling.

I was a tad concerned at the beginning, but not now.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, I just don't think we are out of the woods and am still concerned Everton might come calling.

I was concerned at first, but as the time has passed I am much less concerned. Dyche would not only be going against his own values (discussed in depth on other threads) but he would go knowing he wasn’t the first, second, third or even n’th choice - which would show a lack of intelligence I just don’t think he has - he does have intelligence, and integrity so I think he’s going nowhere.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:20 pm

No I don't believe we are even close to being out the woods yet.
Beat Arsenal on Sunday and it would not surprise me one bit if Everton come in with a formal and direct offer
We have to go for everything thing now and we are in top form and we owe them Gunners a right hidding if we deliver one it will certainly twist their arm and that's what I am afraid of UTC

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:23 pm

A couple of days ago, Ralf Rangnick was favourite along with Unsworth but Unsworth's chances obviously went south last night.
I'm not sure what Ralf did to drop down the list but it would've been good to have a Ralf as a Prem manager, not sure we've had one before.
Martin O'Neill has shortened a lot over the past day or so, I can only presume somebody saw him with Moshiri at a motorway services or in a chippy down Gwladys Street or some such.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, I just don't think we are out of the woods and am still concerned Everton might come calling.

If not Everton, some club will sooner or later. We just need to enjoy the ride whilst it lasts.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:40 pm

If Everton wanted Dyche they’d have done something by now. I think Dyche has already communicated to them that he isn’t interested.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:45 pm

Think these Everton owners are a bit 'Venkys'.. Take forever making decisions that should be made swiftly.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:44 am

Saxoman! Have you been on a sabbatical?

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:03 am

ClaretTony wrote:No, I just don't think we are out of the woods and am still concerned Everton might come calling.

Without being biased, SD should have been the main target for Everton from the moment they parted company with Koeman. The club needs seriously reorganising and who better than Sean. That said it would surprise me if at this juncture Everton made an approach for SD and more surprisingly if he was still interested. However, nothing should come as a surprise where football is concerned.
The best way for Burnley to end any speculation is to negotiate a new deal with Dyche taking out any release clause if possible. I'm sure that's something they would love to do.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:10 am

Dyche would never agree to no realease clause and our board (quite rightly) wouldn’t give him a five year plus deal at silly money when things can change in football so easily.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:40 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:Without being biased, SD should have been the main target for Everton from the moment they parted company with Koeman. The club needs seriously reorganising and who better than Sean. That said it would surprise me if at this juncture Everton made an approach for SD and more surprisingly if he was still interested. However, nothing should come as a surprise where football is concerned.
The best way for Burnley to end any speculation is to negotiate a new deal with Dyche taking out any release clause if possible. I'm sure that's something they would love to do.

I'd be surprised if they came in now, but if they did I'm sure he'd be interested.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:41 am

Winstonswhite wrote:Dyche would never agree to no realease clause and our board (quite rightly) wouldn’t give him a five year plus deal at silly money when things can change in football so easily.

I think we would be happy to give him a long contract but it's not something he would sign. He signed the two and a half year deal when he first came but after the first promotion he wanted a rolling contract.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:41 am

Dyche needed time at Burnley to get us fit and organised. He won't get that at Everton. He is brilliant but even he couldn't polish the turd that is Everton.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:53 am

If they come in for him doesnt matter if hes 10th choice he would definitely go there. Football changes quickly. The reality is Everton are bigger, wealthier and more attractive than us.

How many times have we actually finished above them in the last 100 years.

They bought our best player for 30m just because they wanted him. And could have bought any one of the rest if they wanted.

Sure he is doing a great job here. But that only says he would do even better there. He knows how good keane is and knows that like him the rest of the team are underperforming. It would be an easy short and long term job for a man of dyches talents. And im sure he wouldnt care where he was in their list would only serve to motivate him more.

At least if he does go pulis and big sam are about.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:14 am

It would be an insult to sd if they came knocking now, the have been asking lots of other managers to take over the job at goodison with little intrest shown, so to come back begging sd now would surely be rubbing his face in it. Theres too much going on behind the scenes there at the moment so no one wants to commit themself, i feel sorry for unny tho, he must be getting some crap.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:16 am

scouseclaret wrote:If Everton wanted Dyche they’d have done something by now. I think Dyche has already communicated to them that he isn’t interested.

Have been thinking the same over the last week or so given the speculation in the press ref other guys

Garlick was also very confident of keeping SD a couple of weeks ago in an interview he did with 5 Live

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:38 pm

If Everton had come in for SD straight after sacking Koeman then it seems there would have been a good chance he would have been very tempted. However given what's been happening both here and there in the month since it would be very surprising if they either made a move for him now or he would still be interested.

None of the attributes he values so highly in players seem to be much in evidence at Everton. It's going to take time to turn things around and by January they could well be deep in the relegation mix.

From appearing to be a stable and well run club they've demonstrated nothing since selling Lukaku that suggests they are the right choice for a progressive manager still building a reputation. The longer the situation drags on the more likely they are going to have turn to one of the two out-of work survival specialists, Allardyce or Pulis, to salvage a season that could yet get even worse for them.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:13 pm

Here is a question for you with these managerial odds.

The seem to be all over the place - but - whenever a job comes up certain names always come up (especially SD) and the odds on them always drop. Is there a way to make money out of this? I.e. - can you lump on right at the start when the odds are relatively long - 15/1 say - and make money when they inevitably fall? If so, I'm about to retire.....

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:14 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Here is a question for you with these managerial odds.

The seem to be all over the place - but - whenever a job comes up certain names always come up (especially SD) and the odds on them always drop. Is there a way to make money out of this? I.e. - can you lump on right at the start when the odds are relatively long - 15/1 say - and make money when they inevitably fall? If so, I'm about to retire.....

Its one area id never put money on. Nearly lumped a fortune on peter reid after a so called tip just before we apointed coyle.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:23 pm

I don't mean actually predicting the correct manager - just can you make cash from odds dropping (I really know f all about betting)?

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:44 pm

Just out of interest, I think SD is on a rolling 12 month contract, but are the club considering negotiating a new one? I can understand it remaining “as is” if we were at the bottom and relegation a probable outcome, but whilst I wouldn’t wish to tempt a disaster it is looking as though another year in the sun, with all the money it brings, seems more likely.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:57 pm

if that happens
Hendrick, Brady, Long, Walters, Ward --------->Everton

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:01 pm

Foulthrow wrote:I don't mean actually predicting the correct manager - just can you make cash from odds dropping (I really know f all about betting)?

Yes, betting exchanges such as betfair and smarkets. If they have the market open

MrVmax · Post by **MrVmax** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:06 pm

There is no way on earth that Everton have overlooked Dyche, never in a million years. As I said about a month ago he is building something here. I truly believe that the request was probably put to him right at the beginning but he didn't want it,why would he and that truly surprised them. Big Sam alluded to as much when he said he wasn't happy because he wasn't Everton's first choice.He is on a fortune at Burnley, has complete control of the club from top to bottom and it would take a collapse of monumental proportions for him to come anywhere near the sack. (And that isn't just relegation,it would have to be failure in the championship). Dyche never gets too excited when we win and never too low when we lose. The man is a master at saying nothing whilst saying everything. If he publicly refutes Everton or for that matter any of the other teams that gave changed managers this year he risks alienating a potential future employer,and he is far to clever for that. ( Current managers change position so often now)
IMHO I believe he is the next England manager and I think he knows it. Hopefully not for many years yet as hopefully Southgate proves to be a success but in the event he isn't,which unfortunately is the more likely outcome then we may have problems. In any case I'm bloody loving this, the man's a genius in my eyes, enjoy the ride UTC

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:57 pm

MrV - initially I was of the opinion that Dyche would go to Everton if they wanted him, but as things have gone on I think this is the most likely explanation. Nixon accused SD’s agent of creating the Everton story - I suspect his agent was telling them Dyche wasn’t interested. I can’t believe everton wouldn’t have at least wanted to sound out the man most of the pundits seem to think is the obvious choice - if he was available.

The only thing I disagree with you about is the England job. I can’t imagine any aspiring young manager wanting to go down that career cul de sac.

MrVmax · Post by **MrVmax** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:02 pm

Scouseclaret you maybe right re the England job and in a way I hope you are right for obvious reasons. However just imagine (I know it takes some doing) but England have a phenomenal amount of talent coming through and the guy who moulds that into a trophy winning side of whatever description is Bobby Charlton mk2, knighthood,5mill a year and revered wherever he goes by Everyone. Like I say I hope you are right but I just think Dyche is cut from a different cloth to a lot of the others

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:05 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Here is a question for you with these managerial odds.

The seem to be all over the place - but - whenever a job comes up certain names always come up (especially SD) and the odds on them always drop. Is there a way to make money out of this? I.e. - can you lump on right at the start when the odds are relatively long - 15/1 say - and make money when they inevitably fall? If so, I'm about to retire.....

Go on Betfair and bet on the long-odds option you want, and if those odds come in, you can then “lay” the same option - I.e bet against him getting the job. If you “lay” up to the value you would win if he got the job, you are covered if he does, and make money if he doesn’t.

In my experience of watching these markets, the best way to go might be to “lay” any manager who is odds-on - there are often 2 or 3 of them before anyone gets the job.

Don’t expect me to get rich though- there really isn’t that much money in these markets.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:29 pm

Foulthrow wrote:I don't mean actually predicting the correct manager - just can you make cash from odds dropping (I really know f all about betting)?

All you need to know about betting is it's a mugs game!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:11 pm

MrVmax wrote:Scouseclaret you maybe right re the England job and in a way I hope you are right for obvious reasons. However just imagine (I know it takes some doing) but England have a phenomenal amount of talent coming through and the guy who moulds that into a trophy winning side of whatever description is Bobby Charlton mk2, knighthood,5mill a year and revered wherever he goes by Everyone. Like I say I hope you are right but I just think Dyche is cut from a different cloth to a lot of the others

I just think that early in his career it would be a massive risk, and 50 years of experience suggest that the odds are heavily stacked against him making a success of it. I also think he’ll want to maintain a job where he is involved day to day.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:27 pm

Saxoman putting everything in perspective......again. Who would have thunk it?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:50 pm

Can anyone explain why Sean Dyche’s odds are dropping fairly dramatically this evening? Most bookies have as second favourite at the moment and it’s not getting any better.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:59 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Can anyone explain why Sean Dyche’s odds are dropping fairly dramatically this evening? Most bookies have as second favourite at the moment and it’s not getting any better.

I could tell you, but I promised to keep my information to myself.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:01 pm

He is blatently the most talented young manager in the game, so either everton are thick, or dyche has made it known behind closed doors he doesn't wish to leave at the moment.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:04 pm

Still get 6/1. He had drifted as long as 16s but he has been gradually shortening again for a few days.

Think it just reflects the fact that Everton are no closer to appointing than they were a month ago. Odds on Dyche shortening as previous favourites fall out of contention, probably because he’s never publicly ruled himself out (or in!).

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I could tell you, but I promised to keep my information to myself.

You did indeed.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:33 am

The media think that he will not leave the Ireland job on this side of the Irish sea .