Keane

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Very bad timing for him to go, but he is woeful in evertons colours, truly abysmal.
Pale shadow of his time at Burnley. Tripps seems to be thriving, Ings has had injury ruin his move, but a fully fit Keane looks a real dud.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:06 pm

A lesson for all.

Sums up Burnley quite well, average players performing well above average.

Then they leave our setup and go back to being average.

Truly is testament to the TEAM as a whole and the glue holding it all together, Mr Dyche.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:07 pm

You don't become a bad player overnight,MK will turn his form around.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:15 pm

Steve1956 wrote:You don't become a bad player overnight,MK will turn his form around.

he has become a very bad player, inept and at fault more than a few times recently.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:26 pm

Football is a team game. The whole Everton Defense including Pickford are abysmal at the moment

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:32 pm

To be fair, he’s gone from playing in an exceptionally well drilled and settled defence, into a team where he has been asked to play in a 3, a 4, on the left side, the right side, with a selection of cart-horse slow, ancient or rookie partners and rarely the same combination twice. Is it any wonder he looks lost?

He seems to be Everton’s scapegoat no1 at the moment, but in his first few games their fans thought he was class. It’s everton that have destroyed his confidence.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:34 pm

He'll be fine in any decent defence but he looks devoid of confidence and there are so many gaps to fill he doesn't know whether to stick or twist.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:34 pm

The problem, aside from Evertons lack of plan is that Williams is absolutely shot. Hes lost all pace. For wales against ireland he was pathetic and has in every gane for everton this season.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:42 pm

Bunch of disconnected individuals not playing for each other. Makes them all look hopeless.

Dano1bfc · Post by **Dano1bfc** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:49 pm

Keane is a good player , some of u guys seem to have short memories . He was one of the main reasons we stopped up last year imho

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:50 pm

starting_11 wrote:A lesson for all.

Sums up Burnley quite well, average players performing well above average.

Then they leave our setup and go back to being average.

Truly is testament to the TEAM as a whole and the glue holding it all together, Mr Dyche.

This.^^^

Dano1bfc · Post by **Dano1bfc** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:57 pm

So Saxo ... how would u rate your season so far , with your group? Not a barbed question . Just wondering how the reality of looking up at one and us is biting . Traditionally bfc , pne and brfc have all been a similar size with spells of success . I’m just wondering how big the bump was as u landed back on earth? And whether ur boys have the heart to turn it around?

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:09 am

I think Keane is still a good player albeit he's gone missing and looking lost at present.
He and Everton had a reasonably good start to the season and are the only team, as yet,
tyo pick up a point against Man City.

It all started going wrong for them when we beat them 1-0 and they've been pretty poor since.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:35 am

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:38 am

Mee --------Williams

see the difference

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:41 am

Dano1bfc wrote:So Saxo ... how would u rate your season so far , with your group? Not a barbed question . Just wondering how the reality of looking up at one and us is biting . Traditionally bfc , pne and brfc have all been a similar size with spells of success . I’m just wondering how big the bump was as u landed back on earth? And whether ur boys have the heart to turn it around?

I don't talk about Rovers on here if I can help it. Why would you want me to?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:05 am

Everton are toss, no framework, no leadership and no players willing to step up.

Of course, it can only be Keane's fault....

Is he average?
Nope, but he's playing with teammates who are struggling to find any collective form.

Trippier?
Spent a season as a sub.

Ings - ravaged by knee injuries but there was a very good player in there.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:49 am

Keane is top class. He’ll be fine once order is restored at Goodison.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:54 am

Stones struggled to adapt initially at Man City but he is starting to learn his new trade. If Everton are prepared like City were to trust the players ability then Keano will be ok once they get a decent manager. I noticed he started at Left side of Central Defence at the weekend, surely he wasn't signed for all that money to play out of his natural position? Or maybe he was?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:25 am

Keane will be fine once they shoot Williams.

Oh, and stop playing kids who are not ready for the first team, just because they have a scouse accent.

Oh, and get rid of someone who is making Laws look like he had a clue.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:28 am

I think we all saw enough of Keane over the previous two years to know he’s a very good defender who is going through a bad patch.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:43 am

skibum84 · Post by **skibum84** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:55 am

This situation just shows how its so much more than just going and buying the best players. You need the players you have to gel as a team.

The Liverpool defence situation always winds me up when pundits go on about how they need to go buy a whole new back line in January. All those defenders have proven at other clubs that they can defend well, but now at Liverpool the framework for a good defence isn't there so the players look poor players.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:48 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:he has become a very bad player, inept and at fault more than a few times recently.

Don't talk ********!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:15 pm

Steve1956 wrote:You don't become a bad player overnight,MK will turn his form around.

And you don't become a good player overnight like some suggested Keane was after 34 PL games. We aren't taking about a proven player here, he's a rookie and looks awful.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:26 pm

Keane was excellent for us for the last 2 seasons, but prior to that he was being held out of the side by Michael Duff at times. He had shown some promise, but also been at fault for quite a few goals, and Dyche went with Shackell and Duff for a period. He subsequently improved, and played in a very settled back 5, earning him an england call up. I can’t see any reason why he won’t be back to his best once Everton appoint a manager, and sign a decent CB in January

Ps. Hands off Tarks and Mee

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:12 pm

Everton's defensive line at Southampton yesterday

No wonder Keane is struggling.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:24 pm

Oh dear. Defence all over the place.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:

Ill educated to the extreme!

Not you Cricketfield. Those morons with the banner!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:And you don't become a good player overnight like some suggested Keane was after 34 PL games. We aren't taking about a proven player here, he's a rookie and looks awful.

So after 34 PL as first choice, are you saying you still class him as a rookie?

He looks awful because the whole bloody team is awful yet you continuously think it's him that's the problem...

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:18 pm

If Sam takes over, he'll sort him out. Wouldn't be surprised if he scores a few from set pieces too.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:38 pm

Keane needs coaching properly. He'll be a top defender if the likes of Fat Sam get hold of him, same as he was for SD.

On the other hand I would have fancied Williams as a stop gap in the summer..... thank God others had more sense. I have never known a player lose their legs so quickly, its almost scary.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:42 pm

You could have been a Burnley legend, Lego man.

Now your just another millionaire footballer.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:10 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Everton's defensive line at Southampton yesterday

No wonder Keane is struggling.

To be fair it’s perfectly straight.

Just about 30 degrees out

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:11 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So after 34 PL as first choice, are you saying you still class him as a rookie?

He looks awful because the whole bloody team is awful yet you continuously think it's him that's the problem...

They weren't awful defensively before he arrived, Williams has proven to be a very good defender in the PL over a number of years, Keane is very new to it all. Id suggest it is more down to Keane just not being good enough without an ultra defensive set up.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:59 pm

scouseclaret wrote:To be fair it’s perfectly straight.

Just about 30 degrees out

They look like backs setting up to attack after a scrum/lineout

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:12 pm

KRBFC wrote:They weren't awful defensively before he arrived, Williams has proven to be a very good defender in the PL over a number of years, Keane is very new to it all. Id suggest it is more down to Keane just not being good enough without an ultra defensive set up.

Just wow...

Where are the def mids and why aren't they doing their jobs?
Why aren't the strikers defending from the front?

There's no framework of any sort in place and it's showing.
We didn't have an ultra defensive set up, we had a well organised one.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:02 am

Sidney1st wrote:Just wow...

Where are the def mids and why aren't they doing their jobs?
Why aren't the strikers defending from the front?

There's no framework of any sort in place and it's showing.
We didn't have an ultra defensive set up, we had a well organised one.

It doesn't change the fact that Keane should've stopped 3 of the goals on Sunday. You can make excuses for him all you want but the proof is in the pudding..

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:57 am

KRBFC wrote:It doesn't change the fact that Keane should've stopped 3 of the goals on Sunday. You can make excuses for him all you want but the proof is in the pudding..

Yup, you're the pudding.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:46 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yup, you're the pudding.

Judging by the picture you posted of your gut id suggest you lay off the pudding.

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:08 pm

Looks like they took the wrong defender from an Everton point of view. Looks like Williams needs someone to get a grip of him and Mee would be more likely to have done that. Still.. Doubt that would have made that much of a difference as they look to have problems all over the pitch. Keane is a good defender but needs a leader or someone who will take equal responsibility and communicate next to him. Hope he gets it sorted as I want him to do well... (As long as it's not at our expense).

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:Judging by the picture you posted of your gut id suggest you lay off the pudding.

I'm losing weight, you still be clueless.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm losing weight, you still be clueless.

Michael Keanes some player, not his fault at all infact lets blame everyone but him for Everton's sudden shambolic defending since his arrival. Champions League challengers you said, massive step up for Keane you said

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:Michael Keanes some player, not his fault at all infact lets blame everyone but him for Everton's sudden shambolic defending since his arrival. Champions League challengers you said, massive step up for Keane you said

You can carry on digging yourself a hole, clearly don't need my help.

You keep on blaming just the one player, clearly showing up just how little you understand the concept of a team sport.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:58 pm

You also clearly didn't understand all the points I made about Everton being a step up.

Like I said, I'm losing weight, you're clueless.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:Michael Keanes some player, not his fault at all infact lets blame everyone but him for Everton's sudden shambolic defending since his arrival. Champions League challengers you said, massive step up for Keane you said

Five points away from home you said, never post again you said