Didn't look good for Brady, hope he is ok

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:No point using shirt numbers as people seem to see them differently. Number 10 as far as I'm concerned is a target man who partners a striker in a 4-4-2 and that's not something we're crying out for. If Brady is out, that's all we're missing - and even then, Taylor could turn out to be a nice replacement. If not, I see that as our only position we'd need to look for in January.

I reckon we do need a winger. But one who can play CAM as well would be good to challenge Hendrick once Brady is back as when we have a full strength team, Hendrick is probably (through no fault of his own due to not naturally playing there) our weakest link.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:13 pm

Fingers crossed he will be back sooner rather than later. It could be like when Heaton was injured and we worried unnecessarily. Quite a few hypocritical posters though who wanted him dropping a couple of weeks ago.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:18 pm

MACCA wrote:Jota is at Birmingham now, and looks dogger.

Wolves.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:22 pm

Leisure wrote:Wolves.

That's a different Jota.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:23 pm

Leisure wrote:Wolves.

You're thinking of Diogo Jota. Macca is on about Jota who was at Brentford and is now at Birmingham.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote:You're thinking of Diogo Jota. Macca is on about Jota who was at Brentford and is now at Birmingham.

Didn't he suffer a broken leg while at Brentford?

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:36 pm

Sean confirms Robbie was taken to hospital, and says it’s more likely ‘serious’ then ‘not serious’.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Didn't he suffer a broken leg while at Brentford?

I thought that was Judge?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I thought that was Judge?

Ah yes, it was Judge

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:50 pm

I thought wells played that position?

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:53 pm

bfcjg wrote:Fingers crossed he will be back sooner rather than later. It could be like when Heaton was injured and we worried unnecessarily. Quite a few hypocritical posters though who wanted him dropping a couple of weeks ago.

Not me though, I love Brady and always vote him man of the match.

Am inconsolable tonight.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:That's a different Jota.

Frankly I don’t care one iota.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:59 pm

Wexford_Claret wrote:Sean confirms Robbie was taken to hospital, and says it’s more likely ‘serious’ then ‘not serious’.

This is the third time this has been posted on this thread.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:00 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I thought wells played that position?

Nah, that's bench warmer #6.

Gutted about Robbie. Twitter saying fractured tibia.

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boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:00 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:I reckon we do need a winger. But one who can play CAM as well would be good to challenge Hendrick once Brady is back as when we have a full strength team, Hendrick is probably (through no fault of his own due to not naturally playing there) our weakest link.

Right now I would rather we kept our shape (4-4-1-1), so maybe Taylor on the left?
As for buying a winger, can any real wingers play in any other position (well, apart from Wade Elliot of course), such as central midfield?

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:01 pm

dermotdermot wrote:This is the third time this has been posted on this thread.

Fourth

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:02 pm

Always worry when the injured player's hand goes straight up, and when players nearby are signalling for help. We are all braced for the worst but lets pray its not as serious. We definitely missed his class today

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:03 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Nah, that's bench warmer #6.

Gutted about Robbie. Twitter saying fractured tibia.

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If true, let’s hope it’s a clean break with no associated ligament / tendon damage.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:04 pm

warksclaret wrote:Always worry when the injured player's hand goes straight up, and when players nearby are signalling for help. We are all braced for the worst but lets pray its not as serious. We definitely missed his class today

Not good, we can only wish him a full and quick recovery.

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Right now I would rather we kept our shape (4-4-1-1), so maybe Taylor on the left?
As for buying a winger, can any real wingers play in any other position (well, apart from Wade Elliot of course), such as central midfield?

I hope we are monitoring the progress of Alan Judge. Back in training now after a career threatening injury, will be up to speed in January, versatile, is a Dyche type of player and is IRISH.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Right now I would rather we kept our shape (4-4-1-1), so maybe Taylor on the left?
As for buying a winger, can any real wingers play in any other position (well, apart from Wade Elliot of course), such as central midfield?

Yes multiple wingers play wing as well as CAM very well.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:09 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:Yes multiple wingers play wing as well as CAM very well.

Sorry, but I can't think of one.
Not doubting what you are saying, but can you put a few names forward?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Sorry, but I can't think of one.
Not doubting what you are saying, but can you put a few names forward?

Be patient. He's frantically Googling "wingers who also play central midfield"

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:49 pm

A real shitter is that.

Brady has been playing well and he was very dangerous today.

We've got to hope that Guddy remains fit because we'll completely lose any potency going forward if he and Brady aren't playing.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:54 pm

Like to see Charlie Taylor brought on as a sub on the left side of midfield. I believe he could be more effective than Scotty who very rarely beats his full back and delivers a good cross

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:56 pm

Has Charlie Taylor ever played wide midfield?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:57 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Has Charlie Taylor ever played wide midfield?

Has Charlie Taylor ever played in the Premier League at left back?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:59 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Has Charlie Taylor ever played wide midfield?

He's played left wing back, whilst spending 90% of his time in the opposition's half, quite a few times for Leeds. I'd class that as playing wide midfield, even if on paper it was left wing-back.

He also pretty much played left wing for us when we played Leeds in the cup, especially in the first half.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:07 pm

I really hope that we take a chance on Taylor wide left. Airfield is not the answer any longer even though i like him as a squad member. If we had signed a winger in August we would not have to be hoping that a wing back will do a job but I have a really good feeling about Taylor and he will be desperate to get a chance.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:08 pm

It just shows how we are still lacking squad wise, when a player who's never played in the Premier League (in his normal position or otherwise) is being championed to replace Brady.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:11 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It just shows how we are still lacking squad wise, when a player who's never played in the Premier League (in his normal position or otherwise) is being championed to replace Brady.

He's not replacing Brady though, not really. He'd be replacing Arfield. He'd only be replacing Brady if Brady was fit to start.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:15 pm

You've been reading too many of the Turtle's posts Frank.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:16 pm

Using Taylor wide left would certainly make it easier to keep our defensive shape.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:16 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You've been reading too many of the Turtle's posts Frank.

I'll be honest, not sure what you mean. Turtle normally posts about non-football things.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:20 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'll be honest, not sure what you mean. Turtle normally posts about non-football things.

The literal take with the word 'replace'.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Sorry, but I can't think of one.
Not doubting what you are saying, but can you put a few names forward?

At the top of the game there are loads in the Juan mata/ David silva/dybala/Mahrez/Willian/Payet/sigurdson mould who can play behind the striker and on the wings. They often specialise in technical ability rather than pace. At our level someone like Will Hughes at Watford would be perfect - but not a realistic target as he moved in the summer. A technical CAM who can also play on the wing.

As realistic targets go, Jota at Birmingham (not been great this year), James Ward Prouse (southampton), Chadli, Phillips, Brunt,(West Brom), and the one I'd really like (he's more of an Ings type and admittedly rarely plays out wide is Flourime Andone who we went for in the summer.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:21 pm

Don't worry BOT, I've seen that word before

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:29 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:At the top of the game there are loads in the Juan mata/ David silva/dybala/Mahrez/Willian/Payet/sigurdson mould who can play behind the striker and on the wings. They often specialise in technical ability rather than pace. At our level someone like Will Hughes at Watford would be perfect - but not a realistic target as he moved in the summer. A technical CAM who can also play on the wing.

As realistic targets go, Jota at Birmingham (not been great this year), James Ward Prouse (southampton), Chadli, Phillips, Brunt,(West Brom), and the one I'd really like (he's more of an Ings type and admittedly rarely plays out wide is Flourime Andone who we went for in the summer.

I'll give you Ward-Prouse.
Some of the names are just highly technical players who can do a job in any attacking area.
The original point was (correct me if I'm wrong) to find a genuine winger; the addition was that this player could drop into a central attacking midfield role.
My initial thought was that I couldn't think of many out-and-out wingers who could do both jobs.
Quite like the idea of Andone, and I also liked the look of Waris, and earlier, Grosicki and Narsingh. The latter two have hardly covered themselves in glory in the English game though.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:33 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I'll give you Ward-Prouse.
Some of the names are just highly technical players who can do a job in any attacking area.
The original point was (correct me if I'm wrong) to find a genuine winger; the addition was that this player could drop into a central attacking midfield role.
My initial thought was that I couldn't think of many out-and-out wingers who could do both jobs.
Quite like the idea of Andone, and I also liked the look of Waris, and earlier, Grosicki and Narsingh. The latter two have hardly covered themselves in glory in the English game though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough but mean a winger who plays CAM equally well. I agree about the last 4. Waris would offer loads as he is lightning quick and andone would be a great signing for anything under £18 million. He is quality. Perfect behind Wood, as Ings would be/have been.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:39 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear enough but mean a winger who plays CAM equally well. I agree about the last 4. Waris would offer loads as he is lightning quick and andone would be a great signing for anything under £18 million. He is quality. Perfect behind Wood, as Ings would be/have been.

It's interesting to see what other people think.
There's been a fair bit of coverage this week about SD's diligence when looking for new signings, looks like he's still in favour of UK players, the research on non-UK targets still a bit tricky?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote:It's interesting to see what other people think.
There's been a fair bit of coverage this week about SD's diligence when looking for new signings, looks like he's still in favour of UK players, the research on non-UK targets still a bit tricky?

It might seem simple, but if Dyche only speaks English he might feel signing a foreigner who doesn't speak a word of English, or very little, makes it more risky. Then you have the fact that overseas players often take time to bed in.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:44 pm

boatshed bill wrote:It's interesting to see what other people think.
There's been a fair bit of coverage this week about SD's diligence when looking for new signings, looks like he's still in favour of UK players, the research on non-UK targets still a bit tricky?

I understand why dyche goes for predominantly English (and Ireland) players but I think andone would be worth the risk. Defour was the only other and he turned out alright...

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:57 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Nah, that's bench warmer #6.

Gutted about Robbie. Twitter saying fractured tibia.

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Where does it say that on twitter as Chris Boden hasn't said anything at the moment?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:58 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It might seem simple, but if Dyche only speaks English he might feel signing a foreigner who doesn't speak a word of English, or very little, makes it more risky. Then you have the fact that overseas players often take time to bed in.

The second point, about settling in, is a valid one. Add to that the fact they may have families who don't settle well if asked to re-locate. It's not like we are really wealthy and can sort them out with lovely new houses.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:06 pm

Really disappointed for Robbie. Hopefully he has a speedy recovery and returns his former self.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:20 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Nah, that's bench warmer #6.

Gutted about Robbie. Twitter saying fractured tibia.

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If it is to be bad news then that is a far better outcome than an acl

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:26 pm

Spijed wrote:Where does it say that on twitter as Chris Boden hasn't said anything at the moment?

My missus said it was on her Twitter feed but I can't see anything either and she's gone to bed.

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FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:31 pm

Duffer_ wrote:My missus said it was on her Twitter feed but I can't see anything either and she's gone to bed.
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Nothing on Twitter reporting that.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:36 pm

Poor Robbie, lets just hope he makes a full recovery. I think I speak for all Burnley supporters when I say we're gutted.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Nothing on Twitter reporting that.

Probably because my missus going to bed at 10:30 isn't that newsworthy.

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