Leicester tickets sold out

martintheaker · Post by **martintheaker** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:41 pm

tybfc wrote:I think that we should ask the people that actually run our away supporters groups, the likes of rossi and leisure, to ask the question to the club about how they decide on the take up of allocations and why they refuse to tell the FANS what they are.

‘FANS’? We are ‘Customers’ when it comes to selling stuff, purely a source of revenue and profit.

We are ‘Fans’ only whilst the team is playing, unless you’re buying food/drink, then you’re a customer again.

Absolutely agree with your point about being open and transparent regardless ticket allocations.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:16 pm

Apart from moaning between ourselves on here,

who do we complain to @ the club about this stupid decesision. I hope bfc learn in future prem away games that you should always take up the full allocation for Saturday games..

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:30 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Too many questions in your post Paul but the basics are

Away club are offered 3k or 10% of the ground is smaller than 30k. I.e 1200 offered at Bournemouth with a 11k capacity.

For clubs that can segregate sections and sell tickets to home fans they can offer either 1.5k or similar, or the full allocation with the away club paying for any unsold tickets.

Leicester, Everton or Chelsea for instance could sell the seats for £45 instead of £30 capped away price.

Thanks, Quickentt.

Yes, I had forgotten the differences between home fan pricing and away fans £30.

Do the away club only pay for the "excess" over the minimum allocation - or the £30/ticket cost of the full allocation? (What happens concessions pricing)?

One way or another it looks like away clubs have got a financial interest in the number of tickets purchased by their fans for away games. Anyone know if anyone at Burnley have the role of marketing away tickets?

Maybe this is a an additional (small) module in the football university course?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:03 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Thanks, Quickentt.

Yes, I had forgotten the differences between home fan pricing and away fans £30.

Do the away club only pay for the "excess" over the minimum allocation - or the £30/ticket cost of the full allocation? (What happens concessions pricing)?

One way or another it looks like away clubs have got a financial interest in the number of tickets purchased by their fans for away games. Anyone know if anyone at Burnley have the role of marketing away tickets?

Maybe this is a an additional (small) module in the football university course?

The smallest allocation available is on sale or return but beyond that the away club will have to make payments at adult price for unsold tickets.

Some home clubs will push the away clubs into taking smaller allocations if they know they can sell them at the higher price.

I don’t know what allocation we’ve taken for Leicester but generally we have certainly got it right more than wrong on selecting allocations.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:27 am

We seemed to have asked for less than the lower allocation judging by this picture.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:14 am

It's about time the club got its act together on this away ticket allocation lark. With the financial resources now coming the clubs way, they should be prepared to take the occasional financial hit, to keep the fans on side.

The support yesterday at Leicester was abysmal we could have sold twice the given allocation. The people running things behind the scenes are obviously not supporters who have travelled with the club away over years, just employees who no little of the clubs history or football

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:24 am

It will have been because of the concourse but the empty seats to the right were frustrating with the poor allocation

cav · Post by **cav** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:52 am

Top Claret wrote:It's about time the club got its act together on this away ticket allocation lark. With the financial resources now coming the clubs way, they should be prepared to take the occasional financial hit, to keep the fans on side.

The support yesterday at Leicester was abysmal we could have sold twice the given allocation. The people running things behind the scenes are obviously not supporters who have travelled with the club away over years, just employees who no little of the clubs history or football

100% agree... Laid into the club a bit on twitter over this (yes, I’m pretty sad and I’ve got nothing else better to do) Darren Bentley said he’d pass my comments on.

But whoever’s made the decision obviously doesn’t know anything historically about our away support... Even just our recent Prem history shows we take over 2k to Leicester.

A Saturday 3pm KO, nearest away game since October, team having its best top flight season in 40 years... All signs that full allocation should have been taken.

Someone tried to claim the low number taken for Leicester was based on the ticket sales for Everton... A Sunday TV game! After the troubles this week of fans with 5k+ points being unable to get United/Hudds tickets it’s plain to see communication, logic and organisation are all severely lacking in this area of the Club.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:13 am

Top Claret wrote:It's about time the club got its act together on this away ticket allocation lark. With the financial resources now coming the clubs way, they should be prepared to take the occasional financial hit, to keep the fans on side.

The support yesterday at Leicester was abysmal we could have sold twice the given allocation. The people running things behind the scenes are obviously not supporters who have travelled with the club away over years, just employees who no little of the clubs history or football

The people running the ticket office are there to make the club a profit, It's their job to do so and will be fired if we keep losing money.

Would you lose your job so occasional Burnley fans could make the odd away trip because they have cancelled other plans?

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:59 am

Obviously learned their lesson a bit by taking the extra allocation for Brighton. It was ridiculous seeing all the empty seats which could easily have been sold yesterday though. Would have helped the team having more fans there too.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:07 pm

There were some home fans in the away section to the left of it if you look at the picture posted by burnmark (post 105). If you look up from the KING POWER ad, I think you can see the barrier that is the end of the away section. That suggests we took around half of the allocation (approx 1,500). Last season the away following at Leicester was 2,046 and in 2014/15 it was 2,196.

I don't know exactly what rules are applied by Leicester but it could be they offer you 1,500 (sale or return) with the next allocation at 3,000.

Real ale 2 · Post by **Real ale 2** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm

Quickenthetempo your are wrong their job is to sell as many tickets as possible .the reason clubs restrict the number of away fans is they know that nullifies or reduces any home advantage ..we could fill the Turf every game by moving our own fans out of the CFS and filling it with away fans but we don't because the club recognises the advantage that would give to visiting sides..the higher we finish in the league the higher the prize money, just one place higher in the league would offset any losses by not selling 1,O00 tickets at £30 each ..the players and manager always comment on the importance of the support away .Leicester was sold out three weeks before the game ..we would easily have sold out ..we took double that last year .Rather than worrying about having tickets unsold think more positively about making it easier to get more of our fans away .eg Newcastle away in January on a Wednesday night sort a train like Chelsea do ..

cav · Post by **cav** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm

We would not have lost any money yesterday by taking the full allocation. As the above has alluded to, it would have been nice for our players to see a full away section backing them yesterday, not a thousand plus empty seats!! It must have been a bit disheartening after all their efforts so far, from the players point of view to see a perceived lack of enthusiasm on the supporters part

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:34 pm

It got mentioned by the commentator on the stream I was watching yesterday about our section being so empty it was embarrassing really when over the years we have had many of big followings to be proud of supporting our club away from home
But that made us look poxy yesterday and it was the club that dictated it and made us look tinpot

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:58 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:The people running the ticket office are there to make the club a profit, It's their job to do so and will be fired if we keep losing money.

Would you lose your job so occasional Burnley fans could make the odd away trip because they have cancelled other plans?

We lost money yesterday by not taking a full allocation.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:04 pm

Longside4evr wrote:It got mentioned by the commentator on the stream I was watching yesterday about our section being so empty it was embarrassing really when over the years we have had many of big followings to be proud of supporting our club away from home
But that made us look poxy yesterday and it was the club that dictated it and made us look tinpot

I'm of the opinion more clubs than not could double and treble their away support at turf moor so plenty of them miss out on visiting turf moor...something a lot of posters in here are happy with and some would prefer no away fans at all..bizarre, so who are we to whinge.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:22 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:We lost money yesterday by not taking a full allocation.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:25 pm

Not sure just everyone is absolutely certain that we would have sold a further 1500? Especially when we only took just over 2000 on the previous 2 visits? But I do think that as we sold out at least 3 weeks in advance we should have tried to obtain more seats.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:34 pm

Leisure wrote:How do you come to that conclusion?

Because we'd have sold the additional tickets had they been offered to fans and therefore made money.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:35 pm

Quickenthetempo works in the ticket office and I respect the fact that he is there to make the club a profit, but not at the expense of the fans who pay his wages.

He obviously can't see the big picture that has been put to hin by a few others on this site. The team yesterday would have appreciated a large following to give them the maximum support available, not a mini bus full.

I suggest he has have a word in his gaffers ear. If he is the Gaffer. I suggest he goes upstairs and have a word with the guy who pays his wages and tells l him the fans are not happy with this limp wristed away day policy they employ..

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:40 pm

As long as leisure and certain others get a ticket I'm happy.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:45 pm

tim_noone wrote:As long as leisure and certain others get a ticket I'm happy.

You will be, cause you travel on his coaches. We poor sods who make our own arrangements by car, taxi, train or on foot are being totally and unfairly discriminated and treated like 2nd class citizens, has we are being put to the back of the queue.

Disgraceful Burnley fc, bloody disgraceful

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:52 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:We lost money yesterday by not taking a full allocation.

Didn’t lose anything. Clubs don’t get a commission for selling away tickets in the Premier League, unlike the Football League. So we can’t make any money for selling away tickets, but we can lose money if we take a larger allocation and don’t sell them.

My belief is that we’d have sold out comfortably yesterday had we taken the full allocation but we chose not to.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:55 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:Because we'd have sold the additional tickets had they been offered to fans and therefore made money.

But if we hadn't sold them all then we'd have lost money!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:59 pm

Top Claret wrote:You will be, cause you travel on his coaches. We poor sods who make our own arrangements by car, taxi, train or on foot are being totally and unfairly discriminated and treated like 2nd class citizens, has we are being put to the back of the queue.

Disgraceful Burnley fc, bloody disgraceful

It was tongue in cheek TC. But there's always a few spare when travelling distance. I would have liked to go to Leicester on my return from Bournemouth on the Saturday but they'd sold out.to be fair to leisure he would oblige with spares if he could I'm sure.I had two spare at Bournemouth due to unforeseen circumstances. But no takers. I understood that tbh

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:00 pm

I know there were 5 who couldn't get a ticket!

I think this may be a legacy from the 'small club mentality' that we used to hear about. Managers inside the club (I assume decisions about away ticket allocation requests are made at that level) seem to be risk averse about costing the club if they ask for a higher allocation and don't sell them all. I believe it is also rather disingenuous of the home clubs, ourselves included, to only offer large tranches of tickets rather than a 'sale or return' allocation.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:08 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:Because we'd have sold the additional tickets had they been offered to fans and therefore made money.

The only team that would have made money would have been Leicester.

Gate receipts aren’t split for league games

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:14 pm

bfcmik wrote:. I believe it is also rather disingenuous of the home clubs, ourselves included, to only offer large tranches of tickets rather than a 'sale or return' allocation.

Think that at Burnley we would only be doing sale or return as we couldn't sell unsold seats in the away section. At most clubs where we haven't taken the full allocation eg Chelsea, Spurs at WHL they can usually easily sell our untaken seats to their fans. It was very poor/annoying yesterday when they only managed to sell very few in the untaken away section. Would be interesting to know if we did ask for a further allocation after we had quickly sold out.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:40 pm

Yes I agree that these all seater stadiums bowl grounds have you by the balls when they can segregate a section to away fans then charge a club for unsold
When an away section or end used to be dedicated to visitors empty full or indifferent. charging a club for not filing a section it's daylight robbery especially when the end is left unsold like yesterday and a loophole that clubs use to grab more money.
We need to do the same to these clubs when they come here but guess we wouldn't get away with it with our segregation barrier and concourse sanctions in separation to whittle it down

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:57 pm

Demand for tickets rises when we sell out, this is why the club won't publicise how many tickets we have or how many sold. They play on the fact you could miss out.
I don't know what level Leicester tickets got too but ST holders have had a chance of going to near enough every away game so far this season.

How many non ST holders travel away these days?I can't see it being as many as previous seasons due to having 15k ST holders compared to 8k or so.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:33 pm

if Bournemouth split their away end into 2 sections of around 650 the BFC ticket office would, by this template, have taken just the first 650 and then over 400 Burnley fans would have missed out.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:38 pm

Leicester clearly couldn't sell or didn't sell most of the un taken away allocation, so why should the away team pay for the unsold seats, if say they sold half of them and didn't sell the other half.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:39 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Demand for tickets rises when we sell out, this is why the club won't publicise how many tickets we have or how many sold. They play on the fact you could miss out.
I don't know what level Leicester tickets got too but ST holders have had a chance of going to near enough every away game so far this season.

How many non ST holders travel away these days?I can't see it being as many as previous seasons due to having 15k ST holders compared to 8k or so.

Surely demand for tickets must be higher when they are on sale rather than when we have sold out?

As regards not publicising the amount of tickets we receive for away games then this always has seemed a little strange. I find it even stranger that the club won't say why they do this. I don't know of any other Premier League club with such a secretive policy regarding away allocations so why do we feel that its necessary?

The supporters who attend away games don't appear to like this secrecy so why do the club persist with it?
Why no official explanation for this? As I've read previously on this site it does seem very much a "North Korean" type policy.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:40 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Demand for tickets rises when we sell out, this is why the club won't publicise how many tickets we have or how many sold. They play on the fact you could miss out.
I don't know what level Leicester tickets got too but ST holders have had a chance of going to near enough every away game so far this season.

How many non ST holders travel away these days?I can't see it being as many as previous seasons due to having 15k ST holders compared to 8k or so.

Surely demand for tickets must be higher when they are on sale rather than when we have sold out?

As regards not publicising the amount of tickets we receive for away games then this always has seemed a little strange. I find it even stranger that the club won't say why they do this. I don't know of any other Premier League club with such a secretive policy regarding away allocations so why do we feel that its necessary?

The supporters who attend away games don't appear to like this secrecy so why do the club persist with it?
Why no official explanation for this? As I've read previously on this site it does seem very much a "North Korean" type stance.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:00 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Leicester clearly couldn't sell or didn't sell most of the un taken away allocation, so why should the away team pay for the unsold seats, if say they sold half of them and didn't sell the other half.

Dave - But it's only when it's too late do you find out if they sold them or not.

cav · Post by **cav** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Demand for tickets rises when we sell out, this is why the club won't publicise how many tickets we have or how many sold. They play on the fact you could miss out.

That doesn’t make any sense. Surely by announcing the amount of tickets we have on sale, then each day giving figures of how many are left would hasten people to get their ticket before they sell out?

10min research of previous attendances at the King Power says we take 2,000 plus to this ground in the Prem. Factor in the start the team have made, it’s a no brainier to take full allocation. Club have had a mare with this Leicester allocation and made us look tinpot

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:58 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Demand for tickets rises when we sell out, this is why the club won't publicise how many tickets we have or how many sold. They play on the fact you could miss out.
I don't know what level Leicester tickets got too but ST holders have had a chance of going to near enough every away game so far this season.

How many non ST holders travel away these days?I can't see it being as many as previous seasons due to having 15k ST holders compared to 8k or so.

Don't understand how demand can rise once it's been announced that there's a sell out?

claret54 · Post by **claret54** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:20 pm

Seems both Leicester and Burnley lost out. Leicester could not sell the extra tickets and Burnley lost because fewer fans supporting and upset many fans.
Both clubs have messed up here.

I bought a ticket in home section last Thursday from the Leicester website. I guess it helps I don't have a Burnley address. But would of course be much happier in the away section.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:23 pm

Leisure wrote:Don't understand how demand can rise once it's been announced that there's a sell out?

Should of explained better.

For example I had no interest in the long journey down to Brighton before Xmas. When the club announced it's sold out but extra tickets released it made me really want to go.

When it got announced you could pay on the day for Bournemouth and 500 tickets left it wasn't as appealing.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Should of explained better.

For example I had no interest in the long journey down to Brighton before Xmas. When the club announced it's sold out but extra tickets released it made me really want to go.

When it got announced you could pay on the day for Bournemouth and 500 tickets left it wasn't as appealing.

Sorry but that doesn't make sense to me. Makes it sound like you only wanted to go when a game had been sold out but didn't want to go to a game when you could easily get a ticket? So when Leicester was sold out 3/4 weeks in advance by your reckoning there was then going to be a greater demand for tickets but if that was the case why didn't the club then immediately ask for more tickets from Leicester?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:43 pm

I am sure that if the clubs got together, they could let our 2-2500 fans but tickets, without the club being penalised
That would be a win win, rather than this double or quite arrangement.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:51 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: Should of explained better.

For example I had no interest in the long journey down to Brighton before Xmas. When the club announced it's sold out but extra tickets released it made me really want to go.

When it got announced you could pay on the day for Bournemouth and 500 tickets left it wasn't as appealing.

So you didn't want to go to a game that we didn't sell out, but you do to one we where we sold out our initial allocation?

Do you realise how daft that sounds?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:57 pm

It's supply and demand.

Why did Peter Kay only release a few shows at a time?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:04 pm

Dunno, but they were selling out quite quickly.

I suspect the tickets were being snapped up by bots for ticket touts anyway.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:04 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Leicester clearly couldn't sell or didn't sell most of the un taken away allocation, so why should the away team pay for the unsold seats, if say they sold half of them and didn't sell the other half.

Because those are the rules:

R.11. The Visiting Club:

R.11.1. may order and sell tickets on a sequential Seating Block by Seating Block basis (the sequence of release of Seating Blocks to the Visiting Club to be determined by the Home Club)
R.11.2. must confirm its final order of tickets (subject to the conditions set out in Rule R.12) at least four weeks before the League Match to which they relate
R.11.3. shall pay for the entirety of the tickets so ordered save that it may return (and not pay for) any unsold tickets in the final Seating Block for which it ordered tickets if it has sold 50% of the tickets in that Seating Block.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So you didn't want to go to a game that we didn't sell out, but you do to one we where we sold out our initial allocation?

Do you realise how daft that sounds?

I'm not usually stuck for words.... I was and still am.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Because those are the rules:

R.11. The Visiting Club:

R.11.1. may order and sell tickets on a sequential Seating Block by Seating Block basis (the sequence of release of Seating Blocks to the Visiting Club to be determined by the Home Club)
R.11.2. must confirm its final order of tickets (subject to the conditions set out in Rule R.12) at least four weeks before the League Match to which they relate
R.11.3. shall pay for the entirety of the tickets so ordered save that it may return (and not pay for) any unsold tickets in the final Seating Block for which it ordered tickets if it has sold 50% of the tickets in that Seating Block.

Out of curiosity have you ever missed out on an away ticket?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Because those are the rules:

R.11. The Visiting Club:
R.11.2. must confirm its final order of tickets (subject to the conditions set out in Rule R.12) at least four weeks before the League Match to which they relate.

What is Rule R. 12, please? As we have certainly managed to get additional tickets for Brighton less than 4 weeks before the game!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:It's supply and demand.

Why did Peter Kay only release a few shows at a time?

That ploy worked because he had more tickets to sell!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:58 pm

tim_noone wrote:Out of curiosity have you ever missed out on an away ticket?

R.11.4
Save one for Claret Tony.