Still obsessed with us at Middlesbrough

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:51 pm

Why can't they just discuss/report the fact that Middlesbrough have had a poor 12 months?

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Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:58 pm

First time I've ever seen an article on there that didn't insult us once. Magic.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:59 pm

Such a shame.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:01 pm

The home fans had a little bit of swagger about them as they taunting the Swans: “You’re going down with the Mackems.”

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:01 pm

When there was nothing between the teams apart from a bit of contrived needle.

This is the best bit.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:04 pm

That is Burnley who Boro had been neck-in-neck with for the best part of two years, who squeezed to the title courtesy of a late leveller at their place.

That, and 4 points, and a 5 goal better goal difference

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:30 pm

Okay give them the win at Burnley - that's 2 extra points for them and one less for us. 1+2=3. 3 is less than 4. What IS their point?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:33 pm

houseboy wrote:Okay give them the win at Burnley - that's 2 extra points for them and one less for us. 1+2=3. 3 is less than 4. What IS their point?

If Michael Keane hadn't scored either the goal at Brighton or the one against Middlesbrough, we'd still have been first with Middlesbrough second and Brighton third. They are just ridiculously obsessed with us.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:47 pm

I'd completely forgotten about them.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:50 pm

"Frugal framework"

Whatever helps them sleep well at night I suppose.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:51 pm

One thing is for sure, they miss Karanka a bit too much more than they probably should.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:59 pm

Now I'm sure someone on here was absolutely adamant that Negrado was top notch and would score the goals they needed..

Turns out he didn't, something I claimed several times because he wasn't actually that good and for £100k a week I'd be expecting a lot more.

I can claim that one as a win can't I?

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:This is the best bit.

Hang on... wasn't this "contrived needle" created by that website in the first place?!

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:12 pm

There was a tweet just after Dyche's 5 year in charge asking for your favourite Dyche moment.

One of the replies went something along the line of........his psychological destruction of Middlesbrough Football Club.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:37 pm

The boro message board has developed a lot more respect for us and Dyche of late (though they still don't like him as a person)

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houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:04 pm

Boro are an odd club for sure. They think they are big and have decent support to back that up (but then again so do many others) but they don't actually have a history of being trophy winners do they? To me they fall in the same category as West 'am except smaller, clubs with good support but nothing to back it up. In fact between them combined they barely better us in trophy count and NEITHER have ever been Champions of England. I GET A BIT SICK OF BEING LOOKED DOWN ON BY FANS OF CLUBS WHOSE HISTORY CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COMPARE WITH OURS. I suppose it's true what they say, empty vessels make the most noise.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:24 pm

The "look at the m/t seats" genuinely make me LOL on that thread

I mean, either its the worst camera angle in the world or they play at a near m/t stadium every bloody week

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:07 pm

houseboy wrote:Boro are an odd club for sure. They think they are big and have decent support to back that up (but then again so do many others) but they don't actually have a history of being trophy winners do they? To me they fall in the same category as West 'am except smaller, clubs with good support but nothing to back it up. In fact between them combined they barely better us in trophy count and NEITHER have ever been Champions of England. I GET A BIT SICK OF BEING LOOKED DOWN ON BY FANS OF CLUBS WHOSE HISTORY CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COMPARE WITH OURS. I suppose it's true what they say, empty vessels make the most noise.

Did you not see they won the We Signed Britt Assombalonga Trophy in the summer?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:15 pm

They've also got the best owner in the history of football trophy.

Clarethalffull · Post by **Clarethalffull** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:08 pm

For what it's worth they were singing 'Your going down with the mackems' just before Andre bagged the winner against them on boxing day.

deluded & obsessed

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:54 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Now I'm sure someone on here was absolutely adamant that Negrado was top notch and would score the goals they needed..

Turns out he didn't, something I claimed several times because he wasn't actually that good and for £100k a week I'd be expecting a lot more.

I can claim that one as a win can't I?

He is top notch, the problem for them was they couldn't get the bodies round him.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:10 pm

Seems like that’s still a problem.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:17 pm

Article comparing the 2 clubs is accurate and valid. The 2 ran back and neck until we kept faith and progressed and they changed everything and are yet to recover.

Fan comments all complimentary too.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:11 am

KRBFC wrote:He is top notch, the problem for them was they couldn't get the bodies round him.

No he isn't.
Last time he scored double figures in the league was before he moved to Man City in 2013.
He's only scored 2 league goals in 14 appearances this season over in Turkey.

He scored 9 league goals for both City and Boro interestingly.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:33 am

Sidney1st wrote:No he isn't.
Last time he scored double figures in the league was before he moved to Man City in 2013.
He's only scored 2 league goals in 14 appearances this season over in Turkey.

He scored 9 league goals for both City and Boro interestingly.

I don't give a toss about how many goals he scored, 9 in that awful negative Boro team is top notch. You are obsessed with mentioning Negredo's record at City and discrediting the season he scored 20+ goals for them because they weren't all league goals. His all round play is top notch, wages aside he would be absolutely perfect for us. His first touch and hold up play is very good.

23 In 33 at City
He was excellent in Spain for Sevilla, you probably didnt watch him then.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:42 am

I know what he scored in the cups for City, but league goals is what was needed at Boro.
I'm well aware his league goal scoring record was excellent before he moved to City.

All I'm saying is for £100k a week, he was over rated toss for Boro and his record after City would suggest he's been over rated toss for a while.
They should've spent the money elsewhere, but Karanka didn't have a clue really.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:06 am

Sidney1st wrote:I know what he scored in the cups for City, but league goals is what was needed at Boro.
I'm well aware his league goal scoring record was excellent before he moved to City.

All I'm saying is for £100k a week, he was over rated toss for Boro and his record after City would suggest he's been over rated toss for a while.
They should've spent the money elsewhere, but Karanka didn't have a clue really.

9 league goals in a relegated club isn't toss at all, how many did Ings get? Gray got 9? How many will Wood get this year? 9 league goals in a struggling side is actually good.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:14 am

KRBFC wrote:9 league goals in a relegated club isn't toss at all, how many did Ings get? Gray got 9? How many will Wood get this year? 9 league goals in a struggling side is actually good.

For £100k a week its utter toss.

Austin got more at QPR.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:01 am

"... that win took Boro a point above then near rivals Burnley with a big Boxing Day trip to Turf Moor to come."

Near rivals? Seriously? I'd say there are two things wrong that; one, we're not near geographically and two we're not rivals.

Granted there was a small period when I cared about their results a couple of years ago, but that was purely in relation to how they impacted on our chances of promotion. I couldn't have cared less about them last season our this season. They need to move on.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:14 am

jlup1980 wrote:"... that win took Boro a point above then near rivals Burnley with a big Boxing Day trip to Turf Moor to come."

Near rivals? Seriously? I'd say there are two things wrong that; one, we're not near geographically and two we're not rivals.

Granted there was a small period when I cared about their results a couple of years ago, but that was purely in relation to how they impacted on our chances of promotion. I couldn't have cared less about them last season our this season. They need to move on.

Last season in the league only Sunderland were closer by location to them - I think we are closer than Hull

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:17 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:Did you not see they won the We Signed Britt Assombalonga Trophy in the summer?

Ha ha. Nice one. One thing I did find out was they have one thing in common with us - we have both won the old Anglo-Scottish cup back in the 70's. I remember the battle of Turf Moor when we played Celtic (we did the double over them) and playing Oldham in the final. We scored a shed load of goals in that competition because Scottish football at that time was even poorer than it is now (I seem to recall 8 past East Fife and 5 past Hearts - who were a top side up there then).
Happy days.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:33 pm

Nothing wrong with the article.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 pm

Sidney1st wrote:For £100k a week its utter toss.

Austin got more at QPR.

Why does it matter how much the club pays him?
£100k p/w is different to each club, City can pay anyone that comfortably, its comparable to us paying someone £15k p/w. Boro spent £5m plus any loan fee to have Negredo for a season, 9 league goals is excellent for a striker in a team like Boro regardless of what they earn. They couldn't even get the ball to him or support him, it was highlighted many times about their lack of support.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:55 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Last season in the league only Sunderland were closer by location to them - I think we are closer than Hull

You're not wrong by much

As The Crow Flies

Turf Moor to Riverside-68 miles
Riverside to KCOM-67 miles
Turf Moor-KCOM-76 miles

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why does it matter how much the club pays him?
£100k p/w is different to each club, City can pay anyone that comfortably, its comparable to us paying someone £15k p/w. Boro spent £5m plus any loan fee to have Negredo for a season, 9 league goals is excellent for a striker in a team like Boro regardless of what they earn. They couldn't even get the ball to him or support him, it was highlighted many times about their lack of support.

If we had paid a striker £100k a week, or contributed a large chunk of his wages, and they'd scored 9 goals as we got relegated it's fairly odds on there would be people on here having an absolute fit, you included.

You don't give a toss about what they paid him, or the loan fee, because it wasn't us who signed him.

You were bad enough about Juke and Sordell and they cost us less than him combined.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:44 pm

When I saw the title "Above Burnley, and deemed boring but safe" I just assumed they were trying to start a faux rivalry with either United or Chelsea

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:24 pm

To be fair, it's the writer of the article with the issues. Reading the comments section below the article, there is much admiration for us and Dyche.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:52 pm

IanMcL wrote:Article comparing the 2 clubs is accurate and valid. The 2 ran back and neck until we kept faith and progressed and they changed everything and are yet to recover.

Fan comments all complimentary too.

Agree completely. And was working up that way today with a boro fan. Didnt know i was a burnley fan at first. And before i told him he was already glowing with praise about burnley, dyche, the team and fans.

Wouldnt read anything into online comments. This board alone is a perfect example of why.

North east fans are very similar to our proper fans and boro isnt too dissimilar to burnley on and off the pitch.

Sooner have boro up there than brighton or southampton etc

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't give a toss about how many goals he scored, 9 in that awful negative Boro team is top notch. You are obsessed with mentioning Negredo's record at City and discrediting the season he scored 20+ goals for them because they weren't all league goals. His all round play is top notch, wages aside he would be absolutely perfect for us. His first touch and hold up play is very good.

23 In 33 at City
He was excellent in Spain for Sevilla, you probably didnt watch him then.

Agree completely. Negredo came up in the above conversation today.

The boro fan said negredo was class. The defence was class. There was just nothing to link the two which sounds about right.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:55 pm

Boro are vastly different but you won't like talking about how much money Gibson has written off.

It's easily over £80 million though and will happen again.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:If we had paid a striker £100k a week, or contributed a large chunk of his wages, and they'd scored 9 goals as we got relegated it's fairly odds on there would be people on here having an absolute fit, you included.

You don't give a toss about what they paid him, or the loan fee, because it wasn't us who signed him.

You were bad enough about Juke and Sordell and they cost us less than him combined.

Wood will cost us 6m a year BEFORE Wages.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Agree completely. Negredo came up in the above conversation today.

The boro fan said negredo was class. The defence was class. There was just nothing to link the two which sounds about right.

That's because the over rated Ramirez couldn't do the job given to him and their wingers were toss.

I vaguely recall laughing when they signed Ramirez and writing him off too as toss.
He was on about £60k a week and decided he couldn't be arsed after January when they wouldn't sell him to Leicester which was hilarious.

Negrado has scored about 30 league goals since he joined City.
So in 4 and a bit years he's hardly proven his class

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Boro are vastly different but you won't like talking about how much money Gibson has written off.

It's easily over £80 million though and will happen again.

Who cares? Hes a boro fan and is entitled to do so. Hes earnt his money.

I cant understand why you are so obsessed with how brighton. Bournemouth. Boro etc generate their money.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:59 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Wood will cost us 6m a year BEFORE Wages.

Significantly less than Negredo then and we will in all likelihood get better value for money.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:00 pm

Sidney1st wrote:That's because the over rated Ramirez couldn't do the job given to him and their wingers were toss.

I vaguely recall laughing when they signed Ramirez and writing him off too as toss.
He was on about £60k a week and decided he couldn't be arsed after January when they wouldn't sell him to Leicester which was hilarious.

Negrado has scored about 30 league goals since he joined City.
So in 4 and a bit years he's hardly proven his class

League title here. Spanish cups. International honours. An ingernational strike rate of 1 in 2 and a domestic level not much less. Id say he is pretty classy.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:01 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Who cares? Hes a boro fan and is entitled to do so. Hes earnt his money.

I cant understand why you are so obsessed with how brighton. Bournemouth. Boro etc generate their money.

You're the one who said that Burnley and Boro were similar, I just proved they aren't.
We aren't like any other club in this league and not many like us in the championship.
I think we were one of only a couple of clubs to turn an actual real profit with no debts recently.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:01 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Significantly less than Negredo then and we will in all likelihood get better value for money.

Hopefully.

Btw 100k x 52 is 5.2m

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:02 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:League title here. Spanish cups. International honours. An ingernational strike rate of 1 in 2 and a domestic level not much less. Id say he is pretty classy.

30 ish league goals in 4 and a bit years..

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You're the one who said that Burnley and Boro were similar, I just proved they aren't.
We aren't like any other club in this league and not many like us in the championship.
I think we were one of only a couple of clubs to turn an actual real profit with no debts recently.

Similar and indentical arent the same. We are similar.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:03 pm

Boro are now eralevant for us clarets. Lower league outfit who are not fit to lace our boots